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CCP Gargant C C P C C P Alliance 465	Posted - 2013.02.08 11:49:00 - [1] - Quote Hey everyone, In an effort to make sure everyone knows about the upcoming changes, we are going to keep this thread stickied here until the summer expansion to remind everyone that these changes are going live then. Please make sure to read CCP Ytterbium's devblog here, and voice your opinion and feedback in the correct thread, here. This is a very sizable change and it is imperative everyone knows about it. CCP Gargant \| Community Representative \| EVE Illuminati

Arronicus Vintas Industries Mistakes Were Made. 176	Posted - 2013.02.08 12:47:00 - [2] - Quote first
Hannott Thanos Notorious Legion 328	Posted - 2013.02.08 12:58:00 - [3] - Quote If you could fly it before, you can fly it after If you could fly it before, you can fly it after If you could fly it before, you can fly it after Just in case
Callic Veratar Power of the Phoenix 323	Posted - 2013.02.08 21:32:00 - [4] - Quote Hannott Thanos wrote: If you could fly it before, you can fly it after If you could fly it before, you can fly it after If you could fly it before, you can fly it after It won't help. DirectX 11, it's not rocket appliance!
Keine Arvok Semper Fidelis Foedero 0	Posted - 2013.02.17 12:14:00 - [5] - Quote I am concered about the Orca, barge, exumer and Freighter changes I have trained the current requirement that bonus the ships role however in this change i will lose the ability to fly the freighter as i do not have advance spaceship command V. i will also lose barge and exumer to the frigate skill Also will adding ore industrial skill to Orca change or add role bonuses per skill? I need more details to these changes than "if i can fly it now, i can fly it later"
Imsopov II Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth 1	Posted - 2013.02.18 02:00:00 - [6] - Quote Keine Arvok wrote: I am concered about the Orca, barge, exumer and Freighter changes I have trained the current requirement that bonus the ships role however in this change i will lose the ability to fly the freighter as i do not have advance spaceship command V. i will also lose barge and exumer to the frigate skill Also will adding ore industrial skill to Orca change or add role bonuses per skill? I need more details to these changes than "if i can fly it now, i can fly it later" I agree, needs more details. With freighters are they going to give us advanced spaceship command V or will we lose the ability to fly a freighter
KiwiMatt Viziam Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2013.02.19 02:24:00 - [7] - Quote Can anyone clarify a point for me please. any racial destroyer or cruiser skill i have trained to level 4 or 5 has now been a waste of time as no longer a prerequisite for anything? I know I have got use out of it over the years by it being a prerequisite for other things but is that no longer the case?
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 1005	Posted - 2013.02.19 02:45:00 - [8] - Quote KiwiMatt wrote: Can anyone clarify a point for me please. any racial destroyer or cruiser skill i have trained to level 4 or 5 has now been a waste of time as no longer a prerequisite for anything? I know I have got use out of it over the years by it being a prerequisite for other things but is that no longer the case? Sure, I can clarify that. Sort of. First off, there is currently no racial destroyer skill. So this response will be predicated on the idea that you're talking about racial frigate instead. That out of the way, [racial] frigate 3 will be required for [racial] destroyer. In turn, [racial] destroyer 3 will be required for [racial] cruiser. Cruiser then is the requirement for battlecruiser is the requirement for battleship is the requirement for cap ships. Cap ships will also see new requirements added. So yes, technically [racial] [frigate/cruiser] 4 could be considered a waste if you only trained it to open up the next largest ships. Likewise, [racial] battleship 4 and 5 could be considered a waste if all you were going for was capital ships. These skills will not be reimbursed; they are still useful and their core mechanics haven't changed one bit. They will still provide the same boost to the same ships that they do now.
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 1005	Posted - 2013.02.19 02:54:00 - [9] - Quote Imsopov II wrote: Keine Arvok wrote: I am concered about the Orca, barge, exumer and Freighter changes I have trained the current requirement that bonus the ships role however in this change i will lose the ability to fly the freighter as i do not have advance spaceship command V. i will also lose barge and exumer to the frigate skill Also will adding ore industrial skill to Orca change or add role bonuses per skill? I need more details to these changes than "if i can fly it now, i can fly it later" I agree, needs more details. With freighters are they going to give us advanced spaceship command V or will we lose the ability to fly a freighter This is all clarified ad naseum in the thread, but here's the tl;dr: You can still fly all those ships. ASC is required to plug in the freighter book. Mining frigate is likewise there as a requirement to plug in the barge book. Since you already have the book plugged in, nothing changes. As a bit of arcana, it used to be true that you had to meet all the skill prerequisites to train a skill you had plugged in. Ytterbium had this changed, bob bless him, as noted here.
KiwiMatt Viziam Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2013.02.19 12:10:00 - [10] - Quote Zhilia Mann wrote: KiwiMatt wrote: Can anyone clarify a point for me please. any racial destroyer or cruiser skill i have trained to level 4 or 5 has now been a waste of time as no longer a prerequisite for anything? I know I have got use out of it over the years by it being a prerequisite for other things but is that no longer the case? Sure, I can clarify that. Sort of. First off, there is currently no racial destroyer skill. So this response will be predicated on the idea that you're talking about racial frigate instead. That out of the way, [racial] frigate 3 will be required for [racial] destroyer. In turn, [racial] destroyer 3 will be required for [racial] cruiser. Cruiser then is the requirement for battlecruiser is the requirement for battleship is the requirement for cap ships. Cap ships will also see new requirements added. So yes, technically [racial] [frigate/cruiser] 4 could be considered a waste if you only trained it to open up the next largest ships. Likewise, [racial] battleship 4 and 5 could be considered a waste if all you were going for was capital ships. These skills will not be reimbursed; they are still useful and their core mechanics haven't changed one bit. They will still provide the same boost to the same ships that they do now. Sorry... had a brainfart.. yes i was referring to racial frigates and cruisers, also battleships now you mention it... thanks for the reply and explanation

Elena Thiesant Sun Micro Systems 190	Posted - 2013.02.19 12:17:00 - [11] - Quote Keine Arvok wrote: however in this change i will lose the ability to fly the freighter as i do not have advance spaceship command V. i will also lose barge and exumer to the frigate skill No and no. The ships are not gaining pre-reqs. The skills are. The skill pre-reqs are checked when injected (Dev has clarified that). Hence you will still be able to fly the ship and train the skill. The only thing you won't be able to do without advance spaceship command V is inject another racial freighter skill. Stated times in the dev blog, stated numerous times in the discussion thread.
Nalelmir Ahashion ROC Academy The ROC 3	Posted - 2013.03.07 00:41:00 - [12] - Quote just to clarify... if I train all racial frigs to rank 3 and my general destroyer skill to let's say 4 when the update is out instead of 1 destroyer skill I get 4 racial ones instead? right?
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 1033	Posted - 2013.03.07 08:02:00 - [13] - Quote Nalelmir Ahashion wrote: just to clarify... if I train all racial frigs to rank 3 and my general destroyer skill to let's say 4 when the update is out instead of 1 destroyer skill I get 4 racial ones instead? right? Yes. That's it exactly.
Patrakele Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 92	Posted - 2013.03.07 20:59:00 - [14] - Quote Quick question that I've been looking an answer for: Gallente cruiser V Caldari Cruiser IV BC V Will the racial BC become V for both or does the prior skill (cruiser in this case) affect the level to which the Racial one will be trained to when the change occurs?
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 1035	Posted - 2013.03.07 21:17:00 - [15] - Quote Patrakele wrote: Quick question that I've been looking an answer for: Gallente cruiser V Caldari Cruiser IV BC V Will the racial BC become V for both or does the prior skill (cruiser in this case) affect the level to which the Racial one will be trained to when the change occurs? 5 for both. Racial cruiser level need only be sufficient to fly BCs.
Roseline Penshar Enlightened Academy 2	Posted - 2013.03.07 21:25:00 - [16] - Quote racial BC to V both gallente and caldari according to the post, well you need racial cruiser at III only
Nalelmir Ahashion ROC Academy The ROC 3	Posted - 2013.03.08 00:35:00 - [17] - Quote according to eve mon with my current stats in order to get: racial frigs (all 4) to rank 4 destroyer V racial cruisers (all 4) to rank 3 Battlecruiser V will take 44 days I got time before the update? and those skills will give me all benefits right?
Cad B'ane Of The Night 0	Posted - 2013.03.08 01:01:00 - [18] - Quote Someone talk to me like IGÇÖm 9. Better yet, talk to me like IGÇÖm 4. Been reading about this update and asking around and I get a different answer each time. Listed below is what I have and the questions that I have about this update (Sorry for the noobish questions, only 3 months into this game and I thank you for your patience) What I have: All Racial Frigs to level 4 All Racial Cruisers to level 3 Battlecruiser to level 4 Destroyer to level 4 Question is, do I need to train for Battlecruiser 5 and Destroyer 5? Thank you for the patience and game well all!
Nalelmir Ahashion ROC Academy The ROC 3	Posted - 2013.03.08 01:24:00 - [19] - Quote iirc after the update instead of dessy 4 and BC4 you will get 4 different racial versions of each on same rank. so you should level them to 5 as it will save you the time later leveling 4 different skills for each one of those.
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 1035	Posted - 2013.03.08 16:29:00 - [20] - Quote Cad B'ane wrote: Someone talk to me like IGÇÖm 9. Better yet, talk to me like IGÇÖm 4. Been reading about this update and asking around and I get a different answer each time. Listed below is what I have and the questions that I have about this update (Sorry for the noobish questions, only 3 months into this game and I thank you for your patience) What I have: All Racial Frigs to level 4 All Racial Cruisers to level 3 Battlecruiser to level 4 Destroyer to level 4 Question is, do I need to train for Battlecruiser 5 and Destroyer 5? Thank you for the patience and game well all! tl;dr: No, you don't need to. But you should strongly consider it. You do not need to train either skill to 5. If you have other training priorities -- and at 3 months in, it's entirely reasonable that you do -- than you might want to work on those things instead. However, there's a cost to that: if in the future you want to train more than 1 race's destroyer or battlecruiser to 5 it will take longer. In the short- to medium-term you might well benefit more from any support skills you train instead though. In the long-run it's pretty straightforward though: train those skills now. Between the two skills you're looking at the difference between ~1 month of training and ~4 months of training. So yeah. Tradeoffs. No right answer. I know that for me training BC5 on a relatively fresh combat alt makes sense, but that's because I won't even be undocking her for the next several months (and possibly ever; I think she's headed straight for the character bazaar when the time comes). But on an active main the lines are blurred: those support skills really do make a huge difference in how well a character performs now. And would you rather have a more effective character now or save 3 months of training sometime down the road?

Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 1036	Posted - 2013.03.08 16:31:00 - [21] - Quote Nalelmir Ahashion wrote: according to eve mon with my current stats in order to get: racial frigs (all 4) to rank 4 destroyer V racial cruisers (all 4) to rank 3 Battlecruiser V will take 44 days I got time before the update? and those skills will give me all benefits right? Yes, you probably have time. Get on it sooner than later at this point though; you're late to the game. If you want to go all out, add to that Leadership 5, Warfare Link Specialist 4, and Command Ships 1. This should add ~10 days and will sneak you into CSs after the skill changeover.
Nalelmir Ahashion ROC Academy The ROC 3	Posted - 2013.03.08 18:04:00 - [22] - Quote Zhilia Mann I thought only ship skills were changed there are changes to those extra skills you mentioned or I can train them even after the update without a problem? cause I'm still new player and got some support skills which I need before those you recommended.
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 1037	Posted - 2013.03.08 18:40:00 - [23] - Quote Nalelmir Ahashion wrote: Zhilia Mann I thought only ship skills were changed there are changes to those extra skills you mentioned or I can train them even after the update without a problem? cause I'm still new player and got some support skills which I need before those you recommended. Command Ships (the skill) is getting additional requirements (Armored/Information/Siege/Skirmish Warfare 5). It's a load more Cha/Will training, and it's usually considered an off-remap train for combat pilots. Hence the advice to sneak in the relatively short current prerequisites for the skill. But if you're new, CSs are going to be awhile off anyhow simply because they're costly hulls that aren't entirely easy to use effectively. So you can skip that for later. Also, we know that changes are coming to CSs themselves, but we don't really know what that will look like yet. It may make them more desirable but it could just as easily do the opposite. If you're still plugging away at critical support skills, I'd definitely consider skipping this part.
Nalelmir Ahashion ROC Academy The ROC 3	Posted - 2013.03.08 19:20:00 - [24] - Quote if I'll still have time I'll train the CS skills then.
Hannott Thanos Notorious Legion 488	Posted - 2013.03.27 06:23:00 - [25] - Quote Imsopov II wrote: Keine Arvok wrote: I am concered about the Orca, barge, exumer and Freighter changes I have trained the current requirement that bonus the ships role however in this change i will lose the ability to fly the freighter as i do not have advance spaceship command V. i will also lose barge and exumer to the frigate skill Also will adding ore industrial skill to Orca change or add role bonuses per skill? I need more details to these changes than "if i can fly it now, i can fly it later" I agree, needs more details. With freighters are they going to give us advanced spaceship command V or will we lose the ability to fly a freighter Please clarify the part of "if you could fly it before, you can fly it after" you did not understand, and I'll try to explain it again.
P0RKSW0RD Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.03.29 11:21:00 - [26] - Quote Hi Guys. My question is about the T2 variants of dessy and BC how will these changes affect Command Ships and Interdictors? Will there be a racial requirement for T2?
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 1112	Posted - 2013.03.31 22:30:00 - [27] - Quote P0RKSW0RD wrote: Hi Guys. My question is about the T2 variants of dessy and BC how will these changes affect Command Ships and Interdictors? Will there be a racial requirement for T2? Interdictors of a given race will require racial destroyer 5 (just as, for instance, HACs of a given race require racial cruiser 5). Ditto CSs, though that's a little more convoluted. Read through my other replies in the thread on that topic.
NeXuS of Omni ISK-R-Us Frontier Industries 0	Posted - 2013.04.03 09:47:00 - [28] - Quote Hello fellow capsuleers, I have a question about the reimbursement form... Where do I find it? Or will we get one on the release of the update? "Doubt is brother deamon to despair, and doubt with us those who dare not dare" -Galaxy of Terror
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 1122	Posted - 2013.04.03 22:14:00 - [29] - Quote NeXuS of Omni wrote: Hello fellow capsuleers, I have a question about the reimbursement form... Where do I find it? Or will we get one on the release of the update? "Doubt is brother deamon to despair, and doubt with us those who dare not dare" -Galaxy of Terror There isn't one. This is all totally automated. Here's hoping they've tested it to death before the time comes. Moreover, there is no reimbursement. You won't have any free SP to spend. The only changes will be 1) the exact number of SP you have in Destroyers will be cloned into each racial destroyer skill and the Destroyers SP then removed and 2) exactly the same thing for battlecruisers. At no point should you expect to be able to choose where any "extra" SP goes.
Nihassa R U D E 5	Posted - 2013.04.05 08:18:00 - [30] - Quote "Freighters Now requires Advanced Spaceship Command 5 instead of 1" ---- If you could fly it before, you can fly it now? - I cant see how this would work? Do you get given Avd Spaceship Com V for free?



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