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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
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Posted - 2013.02.09 15:15:00 -
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Once upon a time, many years ago, I was watching a friend play a Generic Fantasy MMO. He was doing PvP and I noticed that every time he took any damage, he'd cast a healing spell and the little blue bar (representing "mana") would drop a little... and then he'd push another button and it would instantly refill itself. I asked him to explain what was going on and he said it worked like this:
You had mana (magic) that you used to heal yourself on the fly, in case there weren't any dedicated healers covering you. But mana was limited, and you needed it to both heal and cast attack spells. So when you ran out of mana, you were basically screwed. Seemed fair enough, I figured, but how come that never happened to his character, I asked? He answered: Mana potion spam.
Apparently, in order to properly PvP in Generic Fantasy MMO, one could not simply go forth with what you had. You had to stock up a huge pile of mana potions to keep the healing & attacks unending. After watching this for a bit we both agreed that PvP victory in Generic Fantasy MMO ultimately came down to who brought the biggest stack of mana potions and could thus outlast their opponent. Nice gold sink, I guess.
Years later I was surfing YouTube and enjoying various EvE PvP videos and I noticed a pattern. The phrases "ASB" "Dual/Triple Armor Rep" and "Dual Cap Boost" showed up at an average rate of approximately 100% of the time. I'd watch shield and armor bars collapse, then magically heal themselves as they traded places with the ship's capacitor... and then capacitors would magically replenish themselves as well.
It all seemed... very familiar to me. Connecting the dots I realized that I had, in fact, seen all this before. The names had changed, but the core mechanic was completely identical:
Shield/Armor Repair = Healing Spells
Capacitor = Mana
Cap Boost = Mana Potions
And just like before, there was this remarkable habit of fights going to whoever could bring the biggest stack of mana po... er "cap boosters" to the party.
Thus primed, I began to look for other similarities... and they were everywhere. Dedicated "repair" ships took the roll of healers. Booster ships were the buff mages while Ewar took the place of debuff mages. Kite ships were archers, hybrid blaster ships were the brawler/tanks. Covert ops were the thieves & assassins. "Cyno jump" was just sci-fi way of saying "teleport party" and drone boats were the "pet" class.
"Well" they said "at least you're not having to deal with goofy elves..."
*looks at my Amarrian ship*
"Or silly dwarves..."
*looks at my Caldari ship*
"Or orcs..."
*looks at my Minmatar ship*
"At least EvE isn't filled with crap that looks like it's from a stupid Japanese cartoon!" they shouted in desperation.
Yes, yes I will concede that point. We still have that uniqueness to cheer about. Oh and hey, have you tried the Corax yet?
EvE Forum Bingo |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
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Posted - 2013.02.09 15:22:00 -
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So you discovered that almost every MMO uses standarized RPG mechanics which were crafted 70 years ago?
CCP Unifex: -á"lurking single players (...)-áare the majority of characters on Tranquility"
...And so now we know why CCP hasn't done anything for soloers since Apochrypha. |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
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Posted - 2013.02.09 15:27:00 -
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Yes. And you can compare EWAR to spell interruption and cc. Where's the problem?
Still mechanics are way more complex in EVE compared to most other MMOs out there. And there's a vast amount of different ships to offer variety.
Add to that the complex skill system. Other games tend to dumb complexity of game mechanics down. Just to think of a comparison: Spell resistances removed in WoW because no one but the hardcore pvpers or raiders were willing to cope with it. And ofc the system had its flaws and Blizzard didn't want to "waste" time on it anymore.
I think CCP is doing a pretty good job overall.
Remove insurance. |
stoicfaux
2321
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Posted - 2013.02.09 15:30:00 -
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Well the Devs were supposedly inspired by and/or have fond memories of PvP/griefing in Ultima Online...
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Felicity Love
STARKRAFT
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Posted - 2013.02.09 15:42:00 -
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...fondly remembers the days of pen, paper, dice and the first copies of "Chainmail".... weren't no "mana" or Logi's involved.  |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
850
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Posted - 2013.02.09 16:17:00 -
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Mara Pahrdi wrote:Add to that the complex skill system. Other games tend to dumb complexity of game mechanics down. Just to think of a comparison: Spell resistances removed in WoW because no one but the hardcore pvpers or raiders were willing to cope with it. And ofc the system had its flaws and Blizzard didn't want to "waste" time on it anymore.
I'll just leave this here, then.
EvE Forum Bingo |
Whitehound
701
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Posted - 2013.02.09 16:17:00 -
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Oh My God... my car... it needs fuel... how could this be happening?!
It's a conspiracy!!!
SCAM CAT - Titan Jump - I was there - Goon Dog |
Ifly Uwalk
Empire Tax Collection Agency
522
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Posted - 2013.02.09 16:22:00 -
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This...
Katran Luftschreck wrote:The phrases "ASB" "Dual/Triple Armor Rep" and "Dual Cap Boost" showed up at an average rate of approximately 100% of the time.
...made me chuckle. Other than that OP is worthless. |
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
2715
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Posted - 2013.02.09 18:06:00 -
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There aren't unlimited possibilities of mechanics to put into a game ...
Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
1063
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Posted - 2013.02.09 18:21:00 -
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What, you don't like irresponsible captain tylor? |
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Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
259
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Posted - 2013.02.09 18:33:00 -
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i like warlock space ships adequate dmg,low tank and some magic to boot...tempest.
Leeloo Dallas Multipass - "Big bada boom"
http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/rbmgtGx.jpg Ninja over Black-ops. |
Cephalus
Epic Logistic
Dawn of Transcendence
2
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Posted - 2013.02.09 19:18:00 -
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i have still never seen a pvp setup using cargo expanders in order to load more cap boosters. |
Celestra Doxaila
MinTek Heavy Industries
45
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Posted - 2013.02.09 19:21:00 -
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Gary Gygax ruled eve. |
GreenSeed
183
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Posted - 2013.02.09 19:29:00 -
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Cephalus wrote:i have still never seen a pvp setup using cargo expanders in order to load more cap boosters.
good idea for a comedy killmail.
[Myrmidon, ActiveWarrior]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Expanded Cargohold II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
ECCM - Ladar II
Warp Scrambler II
Small Tractor Beam II
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
Miner II
Small Remote Hull Repair System I
Auto Targeting System II
Medium Cargohold Optimization I
Medium Cargohold Optimization I
Medium Cargohold Optimization I
Vespa EC-600 x5
Vespa EC-600 x10
the tractor beam is used to haul a Jetcan with 27km3 of boosters.
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Ifly Uwalk
Empire Tax Collection Agency
524
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Posted - 2013.02.09 20:23:00 -
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GreenSeed wrote:the tractor beam is used to haul a Jetcan with 27km3 of boosters.
LMFAO!  |
terzho
StarFleet Enterprises
Red Alliance
141
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Posted - 2013.02.09 20:59:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:
"Or silly dwarves..."
*looks at my Caldari ship*
The **** you calling a dwarf -_- |
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
743
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Posted - 2013.02.09 23:13:00 -
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GreenSeed wrote:the tractor beam is used to haul a Jetcan with 27km3 of boosters.
that's one very impressive jetcan.
27 km^3 = 27 000 000 000 m^3 
I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid. |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
230
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Posted - 2013.02.09 23:14:00 -
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You now realise station games are just a variation on running in and out of safe zones.
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Keno Skir
Vectis Covert Solutions
367
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Posted - 2013.02.09 23:33:00 -
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Depends if he only had room for 12 mana potions in his stupid small Amarr cargo hold.. stupid Zealot you would have been amazing with like 50m3 more 
If you have any further thoughts on something i've posted, or want to ask an unrelated question feel free to contact me by EvE Mail or by private conversation if 'm online.
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Charlepetit LaJoie
Trust Me Ltd
248
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Posted - 2013.02.10 00:08:00 -
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The OP makes some valid points. A quick glance at the internet reveals only three important areas where EVE-Online is lacking compared to the mmo competition.
Belly Bouncing
http://youtu.be/YVd-hArCsXI
Gnomes
http://youtu.be/uZ2_vINS8Kk
Sweet Dance Moves
http://youtu.be/R5w1lauxkVA |
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GreenSeed
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Posted - 2013.02.10 00:32:00 -
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now that they ditched WOD, dancing and fashion accessories are coming to eve. they have to do something with the assets they already have. :)
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Keno Skir
Vectis Covert Solutions
367
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Posted - 2013.02.10 00:37:00 -
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Charlepetit LaJoie wrote:
That's f-ing disgusting man.
If you have any further thoughts on something i've posted, or want to ask an unrelated question feel free to contact me by EvE Mail or by private conversation if 'm online.
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1966
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Posted - 2013.02.10 01:17:00 -
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Dwarves, you say?
I'm scared.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
Captain
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
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Spurty
V0LTA
Verge of Collapse
796
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Posted - 2013.02.10 01:28:00 -
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/me rolls D20
I'm afraid, ops onto you now CCP!
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Naes Mlahrend
KINGS OF EDEN
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2013.02.10 04:34:00 -
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Capt obvious is obvious... |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
577
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Posted - 2013.02.10 04:41:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Oh My God... my car... it needs fuel... how could this be happening?! It's a conspiracy!!! Wizard needs food. Badly.
OMG... so do I!
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
577
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Posted - 2013.02.10 04:52:00 -
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Charlepetit LaJoie wrote:
Not to mention rock concerts...
http://youtu.be/zF3437WVnEs
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
995
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Posted - 2013.02.10 07:37:00 -
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GreenSeed wrote:now that they ditched WOD, dancing and fashion accessories are coming to eve. they have to do something with the assets they already have. :)
lol they will just delete the stuff and keep silent about it
R.S.I2014
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Zaraz Zaraz
Imperial Planetology Academy
79
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Posted - 2013.02.10 08:22:00 -
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In one 'generic fantasy MMO' I know of, healing potions have a 'cooldown' where you can only use one per combat; you can't use another until you've left combat.
CCP, can we do something like that in Eve with cap booster charges?
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Keno Skir
Vectis Covert Solutions
369
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Posted - 2013.02.10 16:22:00 -
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On a serious note, cap boosters are a great mechanic and have major downfalls as well as bonus' when compared to cap stable fits.
The ASB needs a bit of a nerf but thats about it.
If you have any further thoughts on something i've posted, or want to ask an unrelated question feel free to contact me by EvE Mail or by private conversation if 'm online.
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