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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2005.07.19 22:06:00 -
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Go to Advanced display Settings in Display Properties and then go to "3D" in the ATI controls and untick "Temporal Anti-Aliasing".
I'd noticed a pretty big FPs drop in-space and in-station after the patch so I was tinkering around with my settings and discovered unticking this option makde me FPs in-station leap from 87fps to 137fps. In-space had similar improvements of about 25fps.
Temporal Anti-Aliasing is meant to be a slightly improved low-end AA so I have no idea why it procudes such effects on my system.
Another handy hint for ATI users; don't modify AA settings in the ATI Control Panel stuff. Turn AA off on your graphics card settings and control AA via each video game individually. You get much more optimized control that way.
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Core Bash
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Posted - 2005.07.19 22:08:00 -
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Edited by: Core Bash on 19/07/2005 22:08:54
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Edit: What ATI video card is installed in your computer?
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2005.07.19 22:20:00 -
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ATI Radeon 9800 Pro using Cat 5.6's.
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infused
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Posted - 2005.07.19 22:24:00 -
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Also, I noticed after the patch I was having alot of graphics problems. I have updated to the latest catalist drivers and this seems to have fixed it.
www.ati.com
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Core Bash
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Posted - 2005.07.19 22:33:00 -
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Edited by: Core Bash on 19/07/2005 22:35:52
I'm getting 35 FPS outside of stargates with the following system: ATI Radeon X800 XL (very nice video card), AMD 64 bit 3500+ processor, lots o' ram! I'm running the latest Catalyst drivers, too. I wonder what gives..
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2005.07.19 22:39:00 -
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 Originally by: Core Bash
I'm getting 35 FPS outside of stargates with the following system: ATI Radeon X800 XL (very nice video card), AMD 64 bit 3500+ processor, lots o' ram! I wonder what gives..
Got it 8x AGP enabled with Fast Write enabled?
Try upping your AGP aperture size to 256Mb in your mobo BIOS.
Sounds like you've got a bottleneck somewhere so make sure your chipset, graphics, and sound drivers are uptodate.
Try www.tweaktown.com or www.tweakguides.com or here
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Eva Cenlentay
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Posted - 2005.07.19 22:49:00 -
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Edited by: Eva Cenlentay on 19/07/2005 22:50:14
I had a low FPS when I first installed the patch, have a Radeon x800 Pro. Updated drives, problem solved.
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Alerce
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Posted - 2005.07.19 23:08:00 -
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fast write on, lowers performance in a lot of games and systems as well.
Quite often, you can get more stable fps with turning it off. Which has often to be done in the bios.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.07.20 00:01:00 -
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Fast Writes does NOTHING for ATI cards performance, and may make your system less stable. Turn it off.
I also seriously recomend the Omega Drivers for ATI users - http://www.omegadrivers.net/
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Saladin
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Posted - 2005.07.20 00:31:00 -
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I have been having severe problems with my ATI Radeon 9800 (pixelation of screen, random colours flying around). I resolved it by removing it from my comp
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OffBeaT
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Posted - 2005.07.20 02:11:00 -
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Edited by: OffBeaT on 20/07/2005 02:19:50
hehe.. any gammer would know ati never ever got there drivers right. they have the bugest drivers ever, they always did right from day one. great grafics card for photoshop and max work but poor for gamming with the glitches or lockups. they might work well for one game and suck for another, its always been how i have found them. i still say even though the ati can be faster fps on some games then nivida i would still stick with nivida systems over ati anyday. 
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.07.20 02:37:00 -
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ATI drivers work fine the above dude doesnt know what hes talking about.. ive only had problems with nvidia cards
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Adam C
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Posted - 2005.07.20 02:41:00 -
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><<<< only uses ati drivers. :)
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OffBeaT
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Posted - 2005.07.20 02:43:00 -
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Edited by: OffBeaT on 20/07/2005 02:43:24
hehe..shoure i dont.. i have only had ati cards since day one when they came out and vodoo and nivida. how about you.
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Albus
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Posted - 2005.07.20 08:24:00 -
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Edited by: Albus on 20/07/2005 08:25:06
Temporal Anti-Aliasing actually uses two frames to produce the anti-aliasing effect instead of one. So it might do 2x anti-aliasing using certain pixels on the first frame, then do 2x anti-aliasing using different pixels on the second frame. Because of the speed at which the two frames are displayed, your eye sees an effect which is approximate to 4x anti-aliasing, only with half the performance hit.
However, because of the time-critical nature of it, the drivers force you to run with vsynch on when using this temporal anti-aliasing, even if you have set it to be off everywhere else in the driver/game settings. So in Joshua's case it is likely that your screen refresh was at 85 hz and your fps was being limited by this enforced vsynch.
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Andrue
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Posted - 2005.07.20 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: SengH
ATI drivers work fine the above dude doesnt know what hes talking about.. ive only had problems with nvidia cards
He does, and I mostly agree.
To be fair NVidia driver quality dropped a few years ago (sadly about when Eve first appeared) but they seem to have returned to the prior quality levels.
I used to have an ATI based card and what annoyed me was the frequency of updates from ATI (hardly a week went past without them issuing an update) and the additional bugs that appeared in each update (fix a few, create a few).
But what really irritated me was that ATI drivers are chipset specific. Assuming you can find the right drivers for your card you have real hassle if you are a laptop owner. You have to hope that your manufacturer keeps up to date with ATI releases (fat chance) or use third party hacked versions.
To be fair to Omega I never downloaded a bad driver set from them but I still prefer to get my drivers from the manufacturer.
Now with NVidia it's easy. Just download the latest Detonator drivers and install. Don't worry about the chipset or the computer. If it's a recent graphics chipset then one driver fits all.
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Finix Jaeger
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Posted - 2005.07.20 10:29:00 -
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That ATI has crappy driver and that they never work is a myth.
Yes, they used to be behind in the drivers department but they have gotten their act together over the last 3-4 years.
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DarkMatter
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Posted - 2005.07.20 11:10:00 -
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Best solution to the ATI card problems...
...Get an NVIDIA Card.
I have 2 boxes next to one another, both NForce2 MB's & AMD 2400+
One has ATI 9800 Pro, the other an NVIDIA 5900 Ultra.
The NVIDIA is better for EVE, Doom III, HL2, FarCry, Guild Wars, etc...
More stable, better quality.
I tired the 9800 Pro after years of using GeForce cards due to many suggestions from fellow gamers. I bought the 5900 Ultra soon after. Never agian will I allow the gaming community to sway me from NVIDIA...
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Sophia Germain
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Posted - 2005.07.20 13:35:00 -
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Edited by: Sophia Germain on 20/07/2005 13:35:44
Absolutely no problems with ATI after the patch, and none before it either. Using an ATI X800XT PE card with the latest (5.7) Catalyst drivers, haven't adjusted the settings either.
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.07.20 13:43:00 -
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Edited by: SengH on 20/07/2005 13:43:49
peoples main problem with ATI drivers? they install the new drivers over the last ones and come yelling OMGTHEDRIVERSSUCKWTFBBQ. Do that and you'll fubar your whole system. Uninstall your old drivers before installing the new ones. Reguarding the guy who said laptop drivers are hard to find check the ATI site now :P
Also reguarding Temporal AA you will lose frames because its limited by vsync. The way it works is that you do 2 different AA patterns that alternate frames giving the impression of a higher quality of AA. If the framelimit isnt fixed by vysnc, it'll look all screwed up. So they give a higher quality version at the expense of frames.
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Azzara
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Posted - 2005.07.20 14:40:00 -
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A tad off topic, but the NVidia/Radeon driver debate is many years in the making. And they have gotten worse and better. ATI's catalyst installer covers all the chip sets, so like the detonator drivers (I am guessing) the installer takes care of installing the right driver.
My pet peeve is having to uninstall the driver every time there is an update. And lately they (ATI) want you to use their 'custom' utility to do it. There must be a good reason, but why can't they work with Mircosoft (both ATI and NVidia) to figure out a way to deal with the drivers like any other device?
While they do release drivers once a month (on average) you don't have to be on the bleeding edge, unless you are seeing a problem.
I have a Radeon 9600 Pro (128MB) and I'd appreciate people posting the ATI control panel settings they have 'tweaked' for EVE. I pretty much leave the default settings and 'let application decide' where that option is available. I've got a 2.6 GHz P4 with 1 gig of memory which is becoming a middle of the road system these days.
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Kingpenn
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Posted - 2005.07.20 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: OffBeaT
Edited by: OffBeaT on 20/07/2005 02:25:23
Edited by: OffBeaT on 20/07/2005 02:19:50
hehe.. any gammer would know ati never ever got there drivers right. they have the bugest drivers ever, they always did right from day one. great grafics card for photoshop and max work but poor for gamming with the glitches or lockups. they might work well for one game and suck for another, its always been how i have found them. i still say even though the ati can be faster fps on some games then nivida i would still stick with nivida systems over ati anyday.
err.. maybe i should add it might not be your vid card but with the new math with these new skills in doing fleet combat your cpu load is too havey now or your connection speed is not up too snuff. 
geee, ever think the problem was the gamers attempting to tweek the settings instead of leaving things alone to work as intended???
sure is easy to generalise and group things then say they all suck, when you are clueless <hands out clue cookies>
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Aldelphius
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Posted - 2005.07.20 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Andrue
But what really irritated me was that ATI drivers are chipset specific. Assuming you can find the right drivers for your card you have real hassle if you are a laptop owner. You have to hope that your manufacturer keeps up to date with ATI releases (fat chance) or use third party hacked versions.
To be fair to Omega I never downloaded a bad driver set from them but I still prefer to get my drivers from the manufacturer.
Omegas are custom drivers made to allow the best qualities of the most recent versions. Ive had omega drivers fix problems that i could not figure out at all, such as dvd's refusing to play back.
I prefer to download the newest Catalyst drivers from ati, then use driverheaven's mobiliy modder to allow them to be installed on mobility cards. They are not hacked drivers at all. they are ati drivers that for all real purposes will work on any ati card. Its just that ati likes to keep control over all aspects of their cards, and since they dont control OEM's who use their cards, they dont let their drivers install on the cards. I have gone fromm the 4.5's to the 5.6's without a problem on my 9700m.
Make sure you have VPU recover activated, and fastwrites ON. I know more people recently that have prolems with them off than on. this was not true a year or 2 ago. oh, and use custom settings. AA and AF application prefrence, Texture and MIpmap on performance, and V-Sync and trueform OFF.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2005.07.20 19:24:00 -
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I had to disable AGP read and write to stop clashes with my CPU (something to do with the Athlon 64 writing directly to system memory) so now I only get 50FPS with a Radeon 9600XT :/.
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Xavier Belt
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Posted - 2005.07.20 19:31:00 -
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I use the Omega drivers with my Radeon 9700 Pro in windowed mode and have no fps problems.
Nvidia drivers sucked wind recently. I recall in Planetside, many people (falsely) blamed a memory leak for huge performance problems caused by the latest Detonator version. A similar problem ocurred recently. Can't say ATi is blameless, though, what with the BF2 fiaso.
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Aitrus
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Posted - 2005.07.20 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: Albus
Edited by: Albus on 20/07/2005 08:25:06
Temporal Anti-Aliasing actually uses two frames to produce the anti-aliasing effect instead of one. So it might do 2x anti-aliasing using certain pixels on the first frame, then do 2x anti-aliasing using different pixels on the second frame. Because of the speed at which the two frames are displayed, your eye sees an effect which is approximate to 4x anti-aliasing, only with half the performance hit.
However, because of the time-critical nature of it, the drivers force you to run with vsynch on when using this temporal anti-aliasing, even if you have set it to be off everywhere else in the driver/game settings. So in Joshua's case it is likely that your screen refresh was at 85 hz and your fps was being limited by this enforced vsynch.
Absolutely correct.
BTW, the last ATI driver problem I had was when Neverwinter Nights was first released.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.07.20 23:15:00 -
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Originally by: Saladin
I have been having severe problems with my ATI Radeon 9800 (pixelation of screen, random colours flying around). I resolved it by removing it from my comp
You probably bad one of the batch with bad memory chips. Get it replaced under warentee.
SengH, rubbish. Just uninstall the control panel and you're good. It's only Nvidia where you need to stip the drivers out with a program to change drivers.
Aldelphius, that fast writes helps ATI cards is a MYTH, I'm afraid.
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Plekto
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Posted - 2005.07.21 01:16:00 -
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I have been a computer systems consultant for over ten years and can agree - ATI cards are faster but less stable.
1:ATI cards are OS-stable if you don't have SiS chipsets. SiS and ATI are horribly incompatable with each other for some reason.
2:ATI cards don't respond well to overclocking of the motherboard. They are sensitive to memory and i/o timiing changes.
3:Nvidia cards are slower but maintain their speed consisitently.
For instance, if you look at a site that reviews video cards and lists FPS over time and not maximum or average, you see that the Nvidia run about 3/4 as fast, but drop to maybe 2/3 of their speed in the worst cases. ATI, on the other hand, is faster, but drops to 20-25% of its maximum speed in the worst cases. You get that fast/slow visual effect more often with the ATI, and in some games, it's just slow/slow.
Me? I prefer okay/okay to fast/slow.
http://techreport.com/reviews/2002q2/ati-catalyst/index.x?pg=3
This sort of graph shows what I'm talking about - the Ti4200 in this example is running somewhere inbetween the ATI values, if ever so slightly. In the first graph, we see a maximum ATI value of 140fps and a low of 60fps. The NVidia does 135fps and 70fps.
We need to insist on histograms as the only way to measure speed. Using an average where one card maxxes at 80fps and another 70fps is unrealistic if the 80pfs one drops to 10fps in a tough part while the 70fps one only goes to 20fps. The average is 45fps for both cards, but they behave very differently. Guess which one, though, causes a noticeable "spike" and complaints?
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Rawne Karrde
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Posted - 2005.07.21 01:42:00 -
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I am also one of those who has nothing but problems with the nvidia cards i've had. ATI has always worked great for me. running an x700 pro pci-e 256mb card atm.
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