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ArmyOfMe
TEDDYBEARS.
Excuses.
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Posted - 2011.10.11 19:23:00 -
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Since it seems the dev's are on a roll, i figure this might be worth a try.
Can you guys for the love of god have a look at the deimos for the winter expantion, as its in desperate need of a boost
The ship has been overlooked for years, and there is a reason most players call it a diemost
CCP, for the love of god boost the deimos..... |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
142
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Posted - 2011.10.11 19:25:00 -
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is that one the red vibrator, the green vibrator or the blackish grey vibrator? i forget... |
Laura Baretta
Spearhead Ops
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Posted - 2011.10.11 19:26:00 -
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Its the greenish camouflaged out-door vibrator. |
ArmyOfMe
TEDDYBEARS.
Excuses.
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Posted - 2011.10.11 19:26:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:is that one the red vibrator, the green vibrator or the blackish grey vibrator? i forget... Its the one you never see in space
CCP, for the love of god boost the deimos..... |
InVictus Kell
Gladiators of Rage
White Noise.
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Posted - 2011.10.11 19:27:00 -
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in small fleets, it's a great ship for pure dps. load up a bunch of neutron blasters, mag stabs, and be ready to die, but cause pain on the way down.
i love my deimos, so any attention my epeen gets is welcome.
i could expand on that, but i think the implication is quite clear. |
Brynhilda
Massive PVPness
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Posted - 2011.10.11 19:28:00 -
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Hybrids are already getting balanced. Do you really need the Deimos buffed as well?
How may I drug you with drugs? |
Deviana Sevidon
Panta-Rhei
Butterfly Effect Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.11 19:37:00 -
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Terry Pratchett wrote:Multiple exclamation marks, are a sure sign of a diseased mind |
ArmyOfMe
TEDDYBEARS.
Excuses.
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Posted - 2011.10.11 19:38:00 -
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Brynhilda wrote:Hybrids are already getting balanced. Do you really need the Deimos buffed as well?
Yes, yes and even more yes.
While its good that hybrids are getting a boost, its the deimos itself that is flawed
CCP, for the love of god boost the deimos..... |
Brynhilda
Massive PVPness
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Posted - 2011.10.11 19:40:00 -
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ArmyOfMe wrote:Brynhilda wrote:Hybrids are already getting balanced. Do you really need the Deimos buffed as well? Yes, yes and even more yes. While its good that hybrids are getting a boost, its the deimos itself that is flawed
If that's the case, I want a boost to the Phantasm
How may I drug you with drugs? |
EVERYONE JUMPJUMP
Shut Up And Play
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Posted - 2011.10.11 20:22:00 -
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Eagle
I SAID JUMP DAMN IT!! |
Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum
KUGUTSUMEN.
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Posted - 2011.10.11 20:26:00 -
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See this is why CCP should never fix or balance anything ever. As soon as they do people start bringing up almost every ship, weapon system, ship class in game demanding a fix. |
Hentes Zsemle
EVE Corporation 21123151
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Posted - 2011.10.11 20:29:00 -
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Without the details of the coming hybrid buff, there is no way to tell if the deimos needs attention or not. |
Alxea
U-208
Bacon Fortress Gaming Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.10.11 20:30:00 -
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Needs a web bonus, and a 4th mid slot, fixes all its issues. |
Lord Ryan
Derailleurs
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Posted - 2011.10.11 20:34:00 -
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My cane needs a boost too, and a glossy black paint job!
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I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes. |
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CCP Zymurgist
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.10.11 20:40:00 -
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Moved from General Discussion.
Zymurgist
Community Representative
CCP NA, EVE Online
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Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.11 21:13:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:See this is why CCP should never fix or balance anything ever. As soon as they do people start bringing up almost every ship, weapon system, ship class in game demanding a fix.
That's not a reason to not rebalance 'a' ship. The outpouring of ship rebalance requests is a good indicator that many many ships are broken.
We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
ArmyOfMe
TEDDYBEARS.
Excuses.
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Posted - 2011.10.11 22:03:00 -
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CCP Zymurgist wrote:Moved from General Discussion.
Not really the dev response i was hoping for
CCP, for the love of god boost the deimos..... |
Rhinanna
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.10.11 22:54:00 -
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Quote:That's not a reason to not rebalance 'a' ship. The outpouring of ship rebalance requests is a good indicator that many many ships are broken.
Or a sign of whiners ;)
Don't fix hybrids, fix the ships. All the gal blaster boats, with maybe 2 exceptions (mega and tranis) are broken due to various changes. Blasters are fine just make the hulls capable of using them properly. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2011.10.11 22:56:00 -
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Thought it was a glass cannon roamer. |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources
Tactical Narcotics Team
25
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Posted - 2011.10.11 23:01:00 -
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You can fit a 1600 and 425mm guns on a Vaga, so why not neutrons and a 1600 on a diemost?
That'd be a nice buff. |
Pattern Clarc
Aperture Harmonics
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Posted - 2011.10.11 23:52:00 -
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Basically...
Ex CSM member & Designer of the Tornado.
Gallente - Pilot satisfaction |
Arbiter Reborn
Saiph Industries
SRS.
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Posted - 2011.10.12 01:36:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:You can fit a 1600 and 425mm guns on a Vaga, so why not neutrons and a 1600 on a diemost?
That'd be a nice buff.
um ok |
Laqua
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2011.10.12 01:37:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:You can fit a 1600 and 425mm guns on a Vaga, so why not neutrons and a 1600 on a diemost?
That'd be a nice buff.
do you even play this game? |
ArmyOfMe
TEDDYBEARS.
Excuses.
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Posted - 2011.10.12 05:30:00 -
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Since we are talking about the deimos, i might as well come up with a suggested buff for it, so here goes
Change the utility high into a low or med slot. Buff the agility of it and give it a pg boost.
A web strength bonus would have been nice as well(one can only dream )
CCP, for the love of god boost the deimos..... |
Shadowsword
The Rough Riders
Ares Protectiva
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Posted - 2011.10.12 10:39:00 -
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Laqua wrote:Danika Princip wrote:You can fit a 1600 and 425mm guns on a Vaga, so why not neutrons and a 1600 on a diemost?
That'd be a nice buff. do you even play this game?
If he try plating a Vaga, it seems dubious, but he did manage with his clumsly PG comparaison to point out one relatively minor balance issue: autocanons don't use enough powergrid, compared to other close-range guns. You can have a full rack of the biggest racial close-range guns on a minmatar cruiser/BC/BS, and you'll have maybe 60% of the ship's powergrid used up. With the other races, it's more like 80-90%.
Back to the topic, since complaints about the Deimos are few and far between, so there is obviously no huge problem with them. Let's wait after the coming hybrid rebalance to reevaluate the ship again. |
steave435
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.10.12 15:25:00 -
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Knowing CCP, the hybrid buff will mean that only the worst of the current hybrid ships will be even close to balanced, so no ;) |
Sloppyslug
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.12 16:02:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:See this is why CCP should never fix or balance anything ever. As soon as they do people start bringing up almost every ship, weapon system, ship class in game demanding a fix.
good sir, you deserve a headbutt to the ovaries.
Yes ofc the titan doomsday smartbombs should have been left. *sarcasm...*
Yes the mines should have been left.
Yes the mass amounts of undocking to crash the server should have been left.
and on and on and on... |
ArmyOfMe
TEDDYBEARS.
Excuses.
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Posted - 2011.10.12 19:07:00 -
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Shadowsword wrote:
Back to the topic, since complaints about the Deimos are few and far between, so there is obviously no huge problem with them. Let's wait after the coming hybrid rebalance to reevaluate the ship again.
Or, it could be that ppl gave up trying to get it boosted years ago.
CCP, for the love of god boost the deimos..... |
Jill Antaris
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.10.12 20:20:00 -
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Alxea wrote:Needs a web bonus, and a 4th mid slot, fixes all its issues.
Reminds me at the old SHC thread about it(I think it was about 20+ pages).
Bottom line would be you can't fix the diemost, since anything close to useful would be "overpowered"(at least according to the feedback I did hear over the years) and everybody got something like a double standard of ship balance, where it is ok that other hacs are very good in gangs and medium range but it is somehow ok that HACs that are build around close range PVP(Sac and Diemost) are very bad at it.
steave435 wrote:Knowing CCP, the hybrid buff will mean that only the worst of the current hybrid ships will be even close to balanced, so no ;)
To fix hybrids you need to know how they work and why they fail so much. CCP doesn't(link me a single statement where they did) and most people that did haven't flown an hull with hybrids for a long time or did quit a long time ago. |
Lakshmii
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.10.13 07:17:00 -
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InVictus Kell wrote:in small fleets, it's a great ship for pure dps. load up a bunch of neutron blasters, mag stabs, and be ready to die, but cause pain on the way down.
i love my deimos, so any attention my epeen gets is welcome.
i could expand on that, but i think the implication is quite clear.
I once flew a Deimos and also feel that it was rather painful for my enemies. White-hot blaster-plasma shooting all over my enemies. It sure hurt them.
a¦á_a¦¦a¦â |
Billy Colorado
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Posted - 2011.10.13 22:47:00 -
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The Diemos, well, dies the most, because it gets primaried due to it's ability to wreak havoc. It's not so much a question of ship balance, but of threat assessment. |
ArmyOfMe
TEDDYBEARS.
Excuses.
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Posted - 2011.10.14 04:38:00 -
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Billy Colorado wrote:The Diemos, well, dies the most, because it gets primaried due to it's ability to wreak havoc. It's not so much a question of ship balance, but of threat assessment.
Or, it could be because as a t2 ship they cost a "lot", and still have close to no tank
CCP, for the love of god boost the deimos..... |
ArmyOfMe
TEDDYBEARS.
Excuses.
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Posted - 2011.10.22 09:02:00 -
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This thread really dont deserve to die(Much like the deimos)
especially now with those new tier 3 bc's coming the deimos needs a buff now more then ever
CCP, for the love of god boost the deimos..... |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.22 13:07:00 -
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ArmyOfMe wrote:This thread really dont deserve to die(Much like the deimos ) especially now with those new tier 3 bc's coming the deimos needs a buff now more then ever *
Why use the Diemost when you have Vagas and Zealots?
Stop being masochist, hell, use Cynabals or vigilants, feel the power and stop hurting yourself using crap ships. |
Pattern Clarc
Aperture Harmonics
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Posted - 2011.10.22 14:24:00 -
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The thing most people forget is that the Deimos has been boosted numerous times over the last 4 years. More so than any other Gallente ship. It probably goes to show that the entire concept of the ship is probably flawed. (my guess would be that it's due isk cost vs survivability. See risk vs reward)
Ex CSM member & Designer of the Tornado.
Gallente - Pilot satisfaction |
Autonomous Monster
Paradox Interstellar
1
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Posted - 2011.10.22 19:21:00 -
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I always liked the "fat Taranis" idea. Cruiserceptor ftw. |
el alasar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.22 19:28:00 -
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what we need most in eve is diversity, that keeps the game interesting. increase complexity.
so i suggest CCP takes a look at their statistics and see which ships are used least frequently (fly time, also deaths). if the deimos is among those, then please increase its attractiveness.
it would be very interesting to see all those numbers ;) |
ArmyOfMe
TEDDYBEARS.
Excuses.
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Posted - 2011.10.22 19:34:00 -
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Pattern Clarc wrote:The thing most people forget is that the Deimos has been boosted numerous times over the last 4 years.
Id love to hear what those numerous boosts were, cause i can only remember one, and the only reason i remember that was cause i was talking to the dev before he boosted it. And that was a agility boost with some added pg
CCP, for the love of god boost the deimos..... |
Laechyd Eldgorn
draketrain
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Posted - 2011.10.22 20:10:00 -
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Eagle |
Pattern Clarc
Aperture Harmonics
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Posted - 2011.10.23 00:36:00 -
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ArmyOfMe wrote:Pattern Clarc wrote:The thing most people forget is that the Deimos has been boosted numerous times over the last 4 years. Id love to hear what those numerous boosts were, cause i can only remember one, and the only reason i remember that was cause i was talking to the dev before he boosted it. And that was a agility boost with some added pg
Probably my bad, I thought the speed/mass increases where separate from the power grid change.
Ex CSM member & Designer of the Tornado.
Gallente - Pilot satisfaction |
Blastcaps Madullier
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Flatline.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.24 04:55:00 -
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Hentes Zsemle wrote:Without the details of the coming hybrid buff, there is no way to tell if the deimos needs attention or not.
agreed, till we see what the actual planned "hybrid rebalance" is in the winter patch calling for xyz ship that uses hybrids to be buffed/nerfed is pointless, wait and see then see what the rebalance is like, and i'm sure there's more ships need tweeks out there, so let ccp get the winter patch sorted and out before asking for buffs/nerfs
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ArmyOfMe
TEDDYBEARS.
Excuses.
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Posted - 2011.10.24 07:22:00 -
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Blastcaps Madullier wrote:Hentes Zsemle wrote:Without the details of the coming hybrid buff, there is no way to tell if the deimos needs attention or not. agreed, till we see what the actual planned "hybrid rebalance" is in the winter patch calling for xyz ship that uses hybrids to be buffed/nerfed is pointless, wait and see then see what the rebalance is like, and i'm sure there's more ships need tweeks out there, so let ccp get the winter patch sorted and out before asking for buffs/nerfs
Fixing hybrids will still not save the deimos.
The deimos itself needs a form of buff, and the best one would be to remove the utility high and give it another mid or low slot (would prefer mid)
CCP, for the love of god boost the deimos..... |
Lee Vanden
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
0
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Posted - 2011.10.25 23:38:00 -
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Agreed, to be a viable PvP HAC the Deimos desperately needs a fourth midslot and a massive powergrid boost, and it really doesn't need the utility highslot. |
Kazia Fey
Hello Kitty Hug Patrol
EISENFAUST.
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Posted - 2011.10.25 23:46:00 -
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Alxea wrote:Needs a web bonus, and a 4th mid slot, fixes all its issues.
This is exactly what needs to happen. |
Kazia Fey
Hello Kitty Hug Patrol
EISENFAUST.
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Posted - 2011.10.25 23:47:00 -
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Lee Vanden wrote:Agreed, to be a viable PvP HAC the Deimos desperately needs a fourth midslot and a massive powergrid boost, and it really doesn't need the utility highslot.
But the small NOS helps sooooooooooooooooooooooo much. 
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Lee Vanden
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
0
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Posted - 2011.10.25 23:49:00 -
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While we're asking for stuff, a third rig slot would be awesome too. |
Aimee Grimes
X2 - Reunion
Shore of Infinity
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Posted - 2011.10.31 09:06:00 -
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Tech 2 ships tend to have only 2 rig slots. If I remember correctly, the rigs were meant to bring Tech 1 and Tech 2 ships closer together. Still, I don't see why Tech 3 cruisers do have 3 rig slots then.
Anyways, the Deimos needs some love. More speed and less agility might be a step forward, but I would rather like to see the MWD capacitor bonus changed to either the "standard" Gallente web bonus or some friction extension, making it able to actually catch something from more than 14 km out. Slots are fine, coz' we luv the NOS! |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2011.10.31 10:52:00 -
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Aimee Grimes wrote:Tech 2 ships tend to have only 2 rig slots. If I remember correctly, the rigs were meant to bring Tech 1 and Tech 2 ships closer together. Still, I don't see why Tech 3 cruisers do have 3 rig slots then.
Anyways, the Deimos needs some love. More speed and less agility might be a step forward, but I would rather like to see the MWD capacitor bonus changed to either the "standard" Gallente web bonus or some friction extension, making it able to actually catch something from more than 14 km out. Slots are fine, coz' we luv the NOS!
It's getting some love in the winter expansion. Go find the leak, it's in there. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
85
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Posted - 2011.10.31 12:44:00 -
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Once upon a time they called if Deimos, he was powerful and feared.
Then became the Diemost, the ugly HAC's child and was spanked more often than he could spank something
But sooner, my friends, he will be re named "Die-less" and he will be feared again (soon in winter 2025 at 11.30 UTC) |
Mekhana
Spiritus Draconis
266
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Posted - 2011.10.31 15:34:00 -
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The same goes for all Blasterboats. It's just worse for the Deimos due to the little it can do to make its price tag worth it.
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Kazia Fey
Hello Kitty Hug Patrol
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Posted - 2011.11.01 00:00:00 -
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Aimee Grimes wrote:Tech 2 ships tend to have only 2 rig slots. If I remember correctly, the rigs were meant to bring Tech 1 and Tech 2 ships closer together. Still, I don't see why Tech 3 cruisers do have 3 rig slots then.
Anyways, the Deimos needs some love. More speed and less agility might be a step forward, but I would rather like to see the MWD capacitor bonus changed to either the "standard" Gallente web bonus or some friction extension, making it able to actually catch something from more than 14 km out. Slots are fine, coz' we luv the NOS!
That's a good point, I never thought about the T3's having 3 rigs instead of 1. |
Lee Vanden
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
1
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Posted - 2011.11.05 18:47:00 -
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I was just on SISI trying to fit out a Diemost with the new hybrid changes. I have advanced weapon upgrades 4 and by putting 2 Ancilliary Current Routers in the rig slots I was able to fit:
4 Neutron and 1 Ion blaster in the highs
MWD, scram and web in the mids
DC, EANM, Explosive Hardener, 1600mm RT plate and 2 Mag Stabs in the lows
Considering this ship is supposed to be the ulitmate short range HAC. it costs more than the Megathron, and it's about to be completely outgunned by the new Talos, and it's still too slow to get into range, it needs some serious love.
The utility high should be converted to a turret point
It needs a CPU boost and a massive PG boost
It needs an extra midslot
It needs a speed boost allowing it to reach 2000m/s with the MWD on
As standard it should be able to fit:
6 Neutron blasters in the highs
MWD, scram, web, and cap injector in the mids
DC, EANM, Explosive Hardener, 1600mm RT plate and 2 Mag Stabs in the lows
This would leave the 2 rig slots free to add extra tank, gank or speed depending on the pilots preference. People will say this is overpowered, but the Diemos is supposed to be overpowering if it manages to get into range to use it's weapons, just read the description:
"Sharing more tactical elements with smaller vessels than with its size-class counterparts, the Deimos represents the final word in up-close-and-personal cruiser combat. Venture too close to this one, and swift death is your only guarantee. " |
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