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Cambarus Aliastra Gallente Federation 261	Posted - 2013.02.24 01:03:00 - [1] - Quote Diesel47 wrote: Aflons wrote: ... Your suggestions have nothing about making the ships cap better. Infact... Adding another turret will make it even more cap unstable. It's true, but let's be honest, I would fly the **** out of the phantasm if it had another turret, and so would you
Cambarus Aliastra Gallente Federation 261	Posted - 2013.02.24 01:48:00 - [2] - Quote Diesel47 wrote: Cambarus wrote: Diesel47 wrote: Aflons wrote: ... Your suggestions have nothing about making the ships cap better. Infact... Adding another turret will make it even more cap unstable. It's true, but let's be honest, I would fly the **** out of the phantasm if it had another turret, and so would you Well, with removing the caldari cruiser damage bonus and giving it another turret it would only do about 70 more dps... I don't think that is enough to make the ship worth using personally. Keep in mind the think would only work with force fed cap boosters because its so unstable with 4 guns. He said put that bonus in with the hull bonus. It would be closer to 150 extra DPS, which would definitely be nice.
Cambarus Aliastra Gallente Federation 261	Posted - 2013.02.24 04:11:00 - [3] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: Cambarus wrote: He said put that bonus in with the hull bonus. It would be closer to 150 extra DPS, which would definitely be nice. I dunno... that'd make it do almost as much DPS as a Navy Omen. Yeah it'd be pretty cool then. It'd almost do as much DPS as a Navy Omen. -Liang Maybe my math is a bit off, but doesn't the nomen have 8 effective turrets vs the 10 that the phantasm would have with an extra turret? You could squeeze a bit more dps from an extra damage mod, but surely not enough to give the nomen better damage?
Cambarus Aliastra Gallente Federation 262	Posted - 2013.02.24 06:03:00 - [4] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: Cambarus wrote: Maybe my math is a bit off, but doesn't the nomen have 8 effective turrets vs the 10 that the phantasm would have with an extra turret? You could squeeze a bit more dps from an extra damage mod, but surely not enough to give the nomen better damage? The NOmen gets more lows (3 HS) and a bigger drone bay. A Phantasm with 4 HPL/2 HS deals less damage than a NOmen. It also has less capacitor and requires cap for its hardeners. -Liang Hadn't considered the drone bay, but then I'm not fond of combat drones anyway, ECM drones = <3 for anything that doesn't get a bonus to drone damage imo. EDIT: and I just checked, even with drones the phantasm would slightly OD a nomen.
Cambarus Aliastra Gallente Federation 262	Posted - 2013.02.24 06:57:00 - [5] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: Cambarus wrote: Hadn't considered the drone bay, but then I'm not fond of combat drones anyway, ECM drones = <3 for anything that doesn't get a bonus to drone damage imo. EDIT: and I just checked, even with drones the phantasm would slightly OD a nomen. Yeah looks like I had my implants in the NOmen and not the Phantasm. 536 vs 519 DPS @ 23km (Scorch), pretty sure that's not good enough DPS for it to be the "Sansha Shtick". I stand by my original suggestions earlier in the thread. -Liang I would fly the phantasm even if the only change was an extra turret, but yes, it does need some more cap (and ideally mobility) Actually I wouldn't mind having that tracking bonus swapped out with a range one, though I feel it may step on the toes of the zealot a bit too much if that happened. The last time I flew a phantasm was to go harass ratters out in the middle of butt-** nowhere with a friend of mine like 2 years ago, and tbh I just want an excuse to fly it again EDIT: March of 20**ing10 is the last time I flew a phantasm. FFS CCP get on this. EDIT2: Apparently the filter is not very good on these forums :D
Cambarus Aliastra Gallente Federation 290	Posted - 2013.03.22 23:48:00 - [6] - Quote Diesel47 wrote: How is the Mach more "OP" than a Bhaalgorn, or a vindicator? They perform different roles, and they are the best at what they do. So I don't see how you'd even go about comparing them. This. The mach isn't OP, it's just good at its role. It will never come close to being the brawler that the vindi is, nor will it ever be the support beast that is the bhaal, or the piece of overtanked **** that is the rattlesnake..? The reason people think the mach is OP is mostly that its niche is a rather large one, as hit and run pvp is one of the main ways to pewpew in this game, and because of how it flies it's worth risking more isk in it, since it's harder to catch and kill. EDIT: Also please fix the phantasm CCP. EDIT AGAIN: Some more cap and an extra turret would be nice.

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