Hey everyone,

It seems quite simple. The OP is just trying to show that of the 3 turret based Marauders, all can fit the largest, most power hungry guns except the Vargur.

A Kronos can fit 4 425MM railguns, which alone puts it at 55.44% PG
A Paladin can fit 4 Tach 2's, which alone puts it at 88% PG
The Vargur, with 4 1400 Howitzer 2's, hits 130.33% PG

That is just guns.

Yes the fit examples the OP chose are stupid IMO. But they are just showing that the paladin and kronos can be fully fit with the largest available guns, while the vargur goes way over PG with just the guns and nothing else.

Now I can't tell you what this means in terms of usefulness. In many circles I always hear how the vargur is one of the best of the marauders, despite the fact that it cant easily fit 1400mm arties.

in my first post i asked a question and linked pictures to show about what i talk about but thread instead turn in my vargur works as AC boat in missions..who the hell asked you does your vargur work or not?

It can,t fit both type of guns that's the point(feel free to point me in ship description where it say it is AC boat only) other marauders can,so far in game that i know about this is biggest fitting imbalance i found..and all i got in response is my vargur work with AC!?!! and that is answer to why..seriously?

Sadly for you there is thing called inc,s and wh rats where dmg type is irrelevant and tracking is used on proper targets and range so it is worked with and both of dose ships(kroni,pali) will outperform AC vargur in alpha and overall dmg.(and if you think that short range Vargur can outperform NM or god forbid Vindicator with uber webs you don't have clue about incursions even mach will outperform it like no one business).

this is my 5th language and i do play game atm so bare with me..will edit shortly for more points.

You assume much and assumption is mother of all frackups so they say i rly don't give a shiet about more pg for AC vargur..i want Artys on my vargur sry to disappoint there.

Pve is not missions anymore and marauders suffer even further because it and varg is locked in AC without Huge investment in PG that's not ok.

Blaster Kroni problem is Vindicator it is just better pvp/pve doesnt matter.

And Vindicator will roflstomp varg ...NPC use traversal and mwd Vindi will end up applaying more dps due to webs that will stop target and then it is let me just apply this 1700 dps in you face against Vargur ~900?

And mine is they all can use skilled weapons and varg cant due to pg blocking it and even if it is not the case 1400mm varg couldn't be better than tach due to low dps low tracking and not much of optimal where tach paly choose what to shoot and when.

... all about incursions and no other kind of PVE content ...

Liang there is nothing wrong in asking that t2 ship fit t2 guns i would be here bitching for kroni/pali or golem if that was case.

i fly mach/vindi/bhaal/kronos/vargur

Saying that vargur is best or that i want it to be is well trolling it cant out dps many ships it cant out track many ships it cant out run many ships and making it able to use t2 guns like rest of em wont change that.

prove me wrong.

"Then get to bitching about the Paladin." as soon they nerf it pg il be there shaking fist and mention cancel all my accounts.

Ship rebalancing is on its way up the chain and I'm sure after command ships they'll rebalance marauders.

I dont get it, why is it ok that a Marauder is underperforming Pirate BS in PvE?

Whats the reason then for spend time skilling Marauder if they are anyway loosing against Pirate BS?

maybe im just stupid, but i tought its so

Example Minmatar:

Typhoon, Tempest, Maelstrom < Fleet Tempest, Typhoon < Machariel < Vargur

so should it be i tought. whats the reason to skill Tech 2 Ships if they are loosing agains Tech 1 Ship even if they are Faction?

Is Loki or Tengu underperforming Faction Cruiser or the other T2 Cruiser? i dont think so.