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NEONOVUS
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Posted - 2013.02.11 01:12:00 -
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I like how the complaint isnt that they are ungankable but rather that they cant be ganked in a throwaway destroyer alt.
That you actually have to put time and effort into killing the ship.
Almost like you gankers grew fat on the glut of your success and have now been cast forth from your high killboards and made to crawl back up in bigger, better ships. |
NEONOVUS
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Posted - 2013.02.11 01:57:00 -
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Sariah Kion wrote:Why do the goons spend inordinate amounts of time crying about miners in highsec?
Because what they do allows them to pad their kb with all their leet pvp.
Otherwise the complaint would have to deal with actual combat not ganks.
Ooh hey my industrials are tanked to survive 10k alpha while having full load.
Does this make me ignoring core concepts as I can now survive a gank.
Also I salute you brave random Jita shooter for being willing to shoot at me and my 1 billion cargo.
Even if you may have done a spit take and ruined your keyboard.
Ooh wait what of all my warships that are tanked in the mids and fitted for gank in the highs and lows does this violate your beleifs?
My bs are immune to your ganks even untanked and with all racks empty.
Really you just arent using the right tool for the job is the issue.
If you want to kill the miner go grab a brutix and use that instead of your elcheapo dessie.
Or just spin up alts and bring several dessies and gank that way. |
NEONOVUS
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Posted - 2013.02.11 02:47:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:NEONOVUS wrote:
Ooh wait what of all my warships that are tanked in the mids and fitted for gank in the highs and lows does this violate your beleifs?
They sacrifice utility. They cannot web/warp interdict/ewar sufficiently. Of course you could go the generalist route but like I said in the op that will make you average at everything and possibly subpar in other areas. There is a trade-off whether you see it or not.
Yes so you fail to bring enough gun then whine.
As you so carefully excised my point that you can not kill ships with in the concord time limit you should upgrade your ship.
And yet you fail to do so and then whine.
Where is your hardness?
Your strength
Your man.. okay stopping this before I get some yaoi writing and an ISD on me. |
NEONOVUS
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Posted - 2013.02.11 14:00:00 -
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So just what ship do you consider the proper ship to gank with?
Because you keep saying ganking ship but never define it.
I mean a blastos can effect around 28k damage befor concord in a .5
A 1400mm nado can alpha @ 12k damage
A covetor has maybe 10k ehp
A retriever has 15 k ehp
and a procurer easily passes 40k ehp (yeesh I could make this a mission ship)
Exhumers will add around 5k ehp base if max skilled with the skiff tapping 80k (wow if drones werent such flying skeet I could retire my drake)
So really it just sounds like you want to be able to kill them in a gankalyst and are whining you cant.
Much like the kid at the carnival who cant ride all the rides for being to short. |
NEONOVUS
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Posted - 2013.02.11 18:55:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:handige harrie wrote:Seeing the amount of whining in local in Abudban and Hek about untanked retrievers getting killed by destroyers on some days, I don't think op has a point.
Mining barges still die to ganking by people in destroyers.
Stop your whining, it doesn't make any sense. Thats not the barge thats broken.
Which barge is then? |
NEONOVUS
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Posted - 2013.02.11 20:32:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
No, its is now impossible to kill an untanked mack for profit. This has the knock on effect of invalidating the skiff and the hulk doesnt mine enough to make it worth sacrificing the tank and ore hold. Its an unbalanced ship.
Also giving ships a tank based upon isk cost would mean the guadian vexors would have a tank around the same as a nyx.
Well seeing as they currently sport a station tank this could only be a massive nerf.
Ok now that I know where you are coming from I have a bit more agreement.
The mack is overtanked, but I dont think arguing profit factor is really worth a thing when you then complain that cost should not equal tank. |
NEONOVUS
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Posted - 2013.02.11 23:32:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:handige harrie wrote:
It's also not possible to make a profit ganking unfitted abaddons or Rokhs or empty freighters. For most ships it just doesn't work that way.
All frigates, destroyers, cruisers, BC, T3 cruisers, recons, heavy assault ships, interdictors, haulers and even some of the battleships can be ganked for profit if they fit T2 mods with no tank.
Dont remind people of all the horrid boosting tengus that get killed by a lone tornado that provide enough ISK for the next 10 ganks each of which provide for the next 10 until the poor nado pilot cants see his guns for all the zeroes.
Also baltec it helps if you give values to your hypothetical as right now you are just saying given optimum chances we will make maximum profit.
A completely useless statement.
Saying something like if the value of your fit (not counting ship rig and subsystems) is 5x the cost to gank based on
11k alpha nado @ 130 mil
350 dps gankalyst @ 10 mil capable of applied 8k damage
800 DPS blastos @ 110mil capable of applied 28k damage
600 DPS Brutix gank fit @ 80 mil capable of applied 16k damage
means whether we will gank you, gamble on the risk of failure, or ignore you for your tank
Would be far more useful.
Also are those the right values? |
NEONOVUS
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Posted - 2013.02.17 02:29:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:Wasn't the whole point of the suicide ganking nerf back then to make suicide ganking no longer profitable with the few overloaded haulers and exception?
Yes.
The idea was to encourage the usage of war decs and such (ignore that you can drop corp)
Actually maybe drop corp was the point.
In CCP's eyes dropping corp is you surrendering so solidly that you give up even your name.
In which case CCP sees it as wai .
Something for a CSM to ask, What does CCP consider victory in a war dec for each side and loss the same. |
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