I'd just like to see all those "placeholder" POS towers, anywhere in any space - Null and WH's included - just go "pop" like a can after 30 days of zero activity.

Keep the server happy -- clean up all the abandoned crap that folks CBA'd to use.

I vote in favor of towers becoming unanchorable after 2-4 weeks. I've found derelict towers in w-space with setups worth billions but didn't have the firepower to tear them down in a reasonable amount of time. Structure grinding on abandoned structures is pointless.

I don't believe for ONE SECOND, that supporters in this thread want POSes gone to "clean" up the server. Just post that you want them gone because you have a reason to put a tower where another exists.

At present there are hundreds and hundreds of offline anchored POS towers littering high-sec, this is preventing new players in particular from setting up their own POSes

1) war dec corp
2) blow up offlined tower
3) scoop and modules that are left and sell them to pay for the war dec etc
4) anchor your own tower
5) cancel war

Seriously, if you can't even do that, then you really have no business having a tower.
How would you defend yours when someone comes along to smash it?

Also, people use them to fish for war decs.

Seems reasonable to me. Why all the huff and puff about POSes when you can take them down with game mechanics now.

Simple, effective, won't require much coding.

So CCP are going to touch POSes to some extent this summer - as yet we don't know how. So, here is the first thing they should do in my opinion that would have a large and positive effect on the game:

When a POS runs out of fuel, a 48 hr timer starts to countdown, after which the tower unanchors.

Simple, effective, won't require much coding.

At present there are hundreds and hundreds of offline anchored POS towers littering high-sec, this is preventing new players in particular from setting up their own POSes. A rookie 2 man corp really isn't going to want to spend an entire weekend shooting at a large tower with cruisers, just so they can use the space, and they shouldn't have to.

Yes, I know all about the war dec system but the purpose of it should be to forceably remove other players from their territory, not so that you can remove the unused relics of people who no stopped playing the game years ago.

Furthermore, it would create a whole new profession in the game - "POS hunting". It could be super profitable to find an offline (and unanchored) tower surrounded by assembly arrays and labs. A player could make his fortune with a lucky find.

I can't see any drawback to this, it would make sense from a mechanics and lore perspective (would Concord really allow space to be commandeered but unused), it would be fair to new players and would help to maintain the concept of Eve as a game with consequences. It would also create some great stories and tears.

Make it happen CCP!

Auto-unanchoring doesn't encourage conflict

A rookie 2 man corp really isn't going to want to spend an entire weekend shooting at a large tower with cruisers, just so they can use the space, and they shouldn't have to.

Some people just want an easy ride.

The argument of "but it'll take 2 of use hours to take it down in our cruisers" doesn't stand with me either.

Get more friends, get bigger ships.

Use a bunch of gank fit Oracles with T1 crystals and semi-afk it if you're really that lazy.

disagree with OP change idea for a couple important reasons.

1. Timers after fuel expires is just complicating things
2. Un-anchoring towers rather than destroying them is a kind of nerf to tower building industry

They should after the fuel runs out, have zero shield, but keep their armour and structure making them a LOT easier to grind through. This should stop 'placeholder' POSes and allow easier cleanup of space litter while keeping industry folks a bit happier.

1. Just nothing complicated about the timer. POS runs out of fuel, self-destruct countdown starts. How could anything be easier?

2. I agree, that's why I said it should be a self destruct, to protect the tower market.

I wouldn't care if it was a two day timer, two week timer, whatever.

i coudl have sworn that CCP was going to working on an entirely new POS system from the ground up, of course correct me if im wrong folks, but i would rather wait for this new system than waste time on the old system if anew one is on the way.

Thanks, you managed to quote my post but clearly haven't read either it or the rest of the thread. Your response is fantastically unintelligent as a result. I still have yet to hear a legitimate argument against this idea. Anyone else who wants to rant on about "lazinessGÇ¥ can do it elsewhere - it's not relevant to the discussion and it's not a basis for the proposed change. Take your time, read through the advantages I've listed, engage brain and then comment.

And as for Eve not being a game for me, B**ch please! I was here before you and I'll be here after you've gone.

In the CSM minutes, they said they'd worked on a prototype, but that they discovered it would take every developer they have, a full 6 month release cycle, and NOTHING else would get done, and they thought that would crush them under a wave of unahppy players complaining that there was not enough new content in the release.

So, the POS total redesign is on hold until.... Probably until sometime after we can actually leave our captains quarters and walk in station.

Oh I read it alright, I just think you are completely wrong. Why fix something that isn't broke? Of all the things about a POS that need fixing, the way it is anchored/unanchored is not one of them.

Anyone is capable of taking down a POS, what's the problem with making them work for it? I stand by my statement that you appear to want an easy mode for acquiring a POS spot, If you want one get off your lazy ass and go get one. The same goes for anyone wanting a spot, they sould have to work for it.

You want my POS spot "Come and try to take it." Let's not further pander to players who want everything handed to them on a silver platter and are afraid of actually having to go through some ammo to get it.

So CCP are going to touch POSes to some extent this summer - as yet we don't know how. So, here is the first thing they should do in my opinion that would have a large and positive effect on the game:

When a POS runs out of fuel, a 48 hr timer starts to countdown, after which the tower unanchors.

Simple, effective, won't require much coding.

At present there are hundreds and hundreds of offline anchored POS towers littering high-sec, this is preventing new players in particular from setting up their own POSes. A rookie 2 man corp really isn't going to want to spend an entire weekend shooting at a large tower with cruisers, just so they can use the space, and they shouldn't have to.

Yes, I know all about the war dec system but the purpose of it should be to forceably remove other players from their territory, not so that you can remove the unused relics of people who no stopped playing the game years ago.

Furthermore, it would create a whole new profession in the game - "POS hunting". It could be super profitable to find an offline (and unanchored) tower surrounded by assembly arrays and labs. A player could make his fortune with a lucky find.

I can't see any drawback to this, it would make sense from a mechanics and lore perspective (would Concord really allow space to be commandeered but unused), it would be fair to new players and would help to maintain the concept of Eve as a game with consequences. It would also create some great stories and tears.

Make it happen CCP!

If you don't like lazy, what would you call a situation where someone has a POS then quits for 6 months and comes back to Eve only to find their POS still waiting for them? How lazy is that?

And what is the benefit gameplay-wise to grinding through offline towers? It's boring and timeconsuming - it's not challenging it's just a big grind.

Wouldn't it be better to enable everyone to know when a tower is going to unanchor and then have a scrap for who can anchor the new POS? Isn't that just better gameplay?

I don't believe for ONE SECOND, that supporters in this thread want POSes gone to "clean" up the server. Just post that you want them gone because you have a reason to put a tower where another exists.

So CCP are going to touch POSes to some extent this summer - as yet we don't know how. So, here is the first thing they should do in my opinion that would have a large and positive effect on the game:

When a POS runs out of fuel, a 48 hr timer starts to countdown, after which the tower unanchors.

Simple, effective, won't require much coding.

At present there are hundreds and hundreds of offline anchored POS towers littering high-sec, this is preventing new players in particular from setting up their own POSes. A rookie 2 man corp really isn't going to want to spend an entire weekend shooting at a large tower with cruisers, just so they can use the space, and they shouldn't have to.

Yes, I know all about the war dec system but the purpose of it should be to forceably remove other players from their territory, not so that you can remove the unused relics of people who no stopped playing the game years ago.

Furthermore, it would create a whole new profession in the game - "POS hunting". It could be super profitable to find an offline (and unanchored) tower surrounded by assembly arrays and labs. A player could make his fortune with a lucky find.

I can't see any drawback to this, it would make sense from a mechanics and lore perspective (would Concord really allow space to be commandeered but unused), it would be fair to new players and would help to maintain the concept of Eve as a game with consequences. It would also create some great stories and tears.

Make it happen CCP!

I don't believe for ONE SECOND, that supporters in this thread want POSes gone to "clean" up the server. Just post that you want them gone because you have a reason to put a tower where another exists.

So CCP are going to touch POSes to some extent this summer - as yet we don't know how. So, here is the first thing they should do in my opinion that would have a large and positive effect on the game:

When a POS runs out of fuel, a 48 hr timer starts to countdown, after which the tower unanchors.

Simple, effective, won't require much coding.

At present there are hundreds and hundreds of offline anchored POS towers littering high-sec, this is preventing new players in particular from setting up their own POSes. A rookie 2 man corp really isn't going to want to spend an entire weekend shooting at a large tower with cruisers, just so they can use the space, and they shouldn't have to.

Yes, I know all about the war dec system but the purpose of it should be to forceably remove other players from their territory, not so that you can remove the unused relics of people who no stopped playing the game years ago.

Furthermore, it would create a whole new profession in the game - "POS hunting". It could be super profitable to find an offline (and unanchored) tower surrounded by assembly arrays and labs. A player could make his fortune with a lucky find.

I can't see any drawback to this, it would make sense from a mechanics and lore perspective (would Concord really allow space to be commandeered but unused), it would be fair to new players and would help to maintain the concept of Eve as a game with consequences. It would also create some great stories and tears.

Make it happen CCP!