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Adela Talvanen School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 16	Posted - 2013.02.12 08:48:00 - [1] - Quote If you had the opportunity to go into space beyond the Moon, in an Earth environment sustaining -1 G and 14.7 psi- space craft as part of a 52 strong crew, -26 M and 26 F- on a long duration voyage would you go, and for how long would you want to be away from friends and family?
Rain6639 Team Evil 205	Posted - 2013.02.12 09:58:00 - [2] - Quote would make a nice japanese sim game. EDM? you mean EFM
Surfin's PlunderBunny Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 7708	Posted - 2013.02.12 10:12:00 - [3] - Quote Hmm... the men would have to be dealt with first, then forever "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á
Grimpak Midnight Elites Echelon Rising 751	Posted - 2013.02.12 10:33:00 - [4] - Quote Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote: Hmm... the men would have to be dealt with first, then forever actually, for sanity and gene pooling sake, you would want to keep the men there. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img] [quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right
Adela Talvanen School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 17	Posted - 2013.02.12 10:50:00 - [5] - Quote Rain6639 wrote: would make a nice japanese sim game. Or an Icelandic one.
Adela Talvanen School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 17	Posted - 2013.02.12 11:00:00 - [6] - Quote Deleted
Rana Ash Gradient Electus Matari 132	Posted - 2013.02.12 11:52:00 - [7] - Quote How fast is the ship?, are we talking close to light speed or just space rocket fast?
Kirjava EVE Protection Agency Unclaimed. 491	Posted - 2013.02.12 14:13:00 - [8] - Quote Grimpak wrote: Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote: Hmm... the men would have to be dealt with first, then forever actually, for sanity and gene pooling sake, you would want to keep the men there. Kinky. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Cardinal Kirjava - Redeclaring the Crusade in the name of the Goddess since 2012.
Ares Desideratus Kannibal Trollz 99	Posted - 2013.02.12 17:22:00 - [9] - Quote I always wanted to go into space, but a long duration voyage... honestly doesn't sound that fun. There are woman on board as you say, but to me that's just another chance to be a quiet, introverted, anti-social badass, normal girls aren't really interested in that. So, a long duration voyage, probably boring as hell after I get over the initial awesomeness of being in space, where I'd most likely spend my lonely days just thinking and doing whatever tasks, if any, I may have been assigned on this voyage. Would have to bring a lot of books, I'm guessing the GR33N is out of the picture... I'd have to say no at this point in my life. I'm an ignorant non-believer and I live in my grandma's garage. When people-álook at-áthings differently, misunderstandings happen. Everybody wins when you blob PvP!
Micheal Dietrich Kings Gambit Black 1023	Posted - 2013.02.12 17:35:00 - [10] - Quote Grimpak wrote: Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote: Hmm... the men would have to be dealt with first, then forever actually, for sanity and gene pooling sake, you would want to keep the men there. Well unless the OP is referring to the Mars One colonization efforts I don't believe long term procreation is part of the agenda. And if we're talking about years in space with the same group I don't believe it will take long for the ship to turn into one big sexually open frat house.
Eurydia Vespasian Nova Insula Mining and Industrial 1043	Posted - 2013.02.12 17:39:00 - [11] - Quote space fantasy appropriate term. clearly.
Mizhir Red Federation 4316	Posted - 2013.02.12 18:00:00 - [12] - Quote \o/ space I think it depends on how high the chance of succes is. If it is something bordering a high risk mission I would not go. But if there was a fair chance of succes (by that I mean the current avarage successrate of space missions) I would most likely go. I am studying medicine now, and I am actually thinking / dreaming about if there is any ways I could get into space exploration that way. Like being the Doctor abroad an exploration spacecraft. The Logi Pilot we need... Not the Logi Pilot we deserve
silens vesica Corsair Cartel 590	Posted - 2013.02.12 18:13:00 - [13] - Quote Adela Talvanen wrote: ... for how long would you want to be away from family and friends? I used to be a submariner. Bring it on - A year or more would be fine (especially as my marriage has survived all that sailing nonsense, and my kids can take care of themselves. We know the drill very well.). Edit: You don't even need to bother to balance the crew. I've reached an age where enforced celibacy is no longer a death-sentence. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. Malcanis for CSM8
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 2055	Posted - 2013.02.12 18:22:00 - [14] - Quote All it takes is one threesome and the ratio will be ruined. Unless there are 2 threesomes...then it works out. Ok...as long as there are an even number of threesomes at any given time this voyage will work. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Grimpak Midnight Elites Echelon Rising 757	Posted - 2013.02.12 19:09:00 - [15] - Quote Micheal Dietrich wrote: Grimpak wrote: Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote: Hmm... the men would have to be dealt with first, then forever actually, for sanity and gene pooling sake, you would want to keep the men there. Well unless the OP is referring to the Mars One colonization efforts I don't believe long term procreation is part of the agenda. And if we're talking about years in space with the same group I don't believe it will take long for the ship to turn into one big sexually open frat house. true, but, unless you have some sort of special skill to keep women ripping their throats out of each other, your best bet is to keep a 1:1 ratio. no, it doesn't work with lesbians, believe me. I've worked once in a furniture store where saleswomen outnumbered salesman in a ratio of like 5 or 6 women for 1 man, and they had these groups formed that enjoyed to actively sabotage (no joke here, it was a very bad problem) each other. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img] [quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force 1645	Posted - 2013.02.12 19:13:00 - [16] - Quote I'm feeling too old for that sort of thing. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/User:Akita_T T2 BPO poll: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=114789 Buying this: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=147098
Eurydia Vespasian Nova Insula Mining and Industrial 1047	Posted - 2013.02.12 19:16:00 - [17] - Quote Grimpak wrote: Micheal Dietrich wrote: Grimpak wrote: Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote: Hmm... the men would have to be dealt with first, then forever actually, for sanity and gene pooling sake, you would want to keep the men there. Well unless the OP is referring to the Mars One colonization efforts I don't believe long term procreation is part of the agenda. And if we're talking about years in space with the same group I don't believe it will take long for the ship to turn into one big sexually open frat house. true, but, unless you have some sort of special skill to keep women ripping their throats out of each other, your best bet is to keep a 1:1 ratio. no, it doesn't work with lesbians, believe me. I've worked once in a furniture store where saleswomen outnumbered salesman in a ratio of like 5 or 6 women for 1 man, and they had these groups formed that enjoyed to actively sabotage (no joke here, it was a very bad problem) each other. well usually, in a "professional" environment, like where i work, we keep the conflict to eloquently **** talking behind each others back. wouldn't want to create a "toxic" work place or any other of the stupid buzzwords used in the corporate world.
Micheal Dietrich Kings Gambit Black 1023	Posted - 2013.02.12 19:18:00 - [18] - Quote silens vesica wrote: Edit: You don't even need to bother to balance the crew. I've reached an age where enforced celibacy is no longer a death-sentence. A good friends daughter was stationed on the Truman for 6 months and from some of the stories it doesn't sound like they enforce it enough. I'm telling you I've heard some ****.
silens vesica Corsair Cartel 598	Posted - 2013.02.12 19:52:00 - [19] - Quote Micheal Dietrich wrote: silens vesica wrote: Edit: You don't even need to bother to balance the crew. I've reached an age where enforced celibacy is no longer a death-sentence. A good friends daughter was stationed on the Truman for 6 months and from some of the stories it doesn't sound like they enforce it enough. I'm telling you I've heard some ***. Depends on just how well-disciplined the crew is. Which really* means "How good are your senior leaders?" Do note I said 'submariner' above. Elite crews, generally selected from the top performers - Volunteering isn't enough, you got to be able to hack it, too. Slackers and losers will be found out. Which does not mean there are no folks who will find other ways of screwing up - Even elite units are made up of people. Bird farms (carriers), on the other hand... Well, the best you can say for them is that they're big. Actually, that's part of the problem... Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing. Malcanis for CSM8
Sab Sab Five Purging Maelstrom Sicarius Draconis 22	Posted - 2013.02.12 21:15:00 - [20] - Quote hell no. But i will be totally interested in the podcasts they send back, while i watch pretty young things saunter past my bar window. And sometimes, when i am walking around looking at the beautiful trees and dogs and sky, I might dream of ..... nah, that is what EVE is for.
Adela Talvanen School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 18	Posted - 2013.02.13 12:09:00 - [21] - Quote Interesting. That's three yes's, and three no's. Which is the around the same 50:50 percentages I have received from posters on the other forums I frequent where I asked this question. The other eight replies I have classed as undecided. To answer the questions, rocket speed, the average cruising/coasting speed will be around the 160,000 kph mark. As for risk, the danger level on some parts of the mission on a scale of 1 to 10 would be 12. Regarding silens vesica's comment, on "Slackers and losers", as the 13 M and 13 F -Mission Assistants-for the half of the crew selected from the general population, to be on the crew they will have to have got through the selection program I have devised, providing of course they meet the prerequisites. And any "Slackers and losers" won't be able to as they don't want it enough, nor can the other participants afford to coast, as the crucial group stages in stage two and three will get progressively tougher as the pre group stages mission applicant then in the group stages mission candidate then mission trainee pool is reduced in numbers till the lucky 13 M and 13 F are picked. Why did I post the question you may be asking? I was just sniffing the air, and testing the water of public opinion to see if members of the general population would want to go on such a venture. And I am pleased to concur that half of you that replied who weren't undecided would. Thank you all for all your replies.
Adela Talvanen School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 18	Posted - 2013.02.13 12:53:00 - [22] - Quote Deleted
Rana Ash Gradient Electus Matari 132	Posted - 2013.02.13 13:11:00 - [23] - Quote Well after the update on speed, i'll tag along to Centauri B
Micheal Dietrich Kings Gambit Black 1028	Posted - 2013.02.13 15:30:00 - [24] - Quote Rana Ash wrote: Well after the update on speed, i'll tag along to Centauri B You would still never see it, and the stress on the ship would never handle it.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force 1647	Posted - 2013.02.13 17:41:00 - [25] - Quote Rana Ash wrote: Well after the update on speed, i'll tag along to Centauri B 160000kph is (very roughly rounded) ~0.015% of the speed of light. Or, if you prefer, about 1/6745 of the speed of light. The pyramids have been around for less time than what you'd need to get to that destination with that speed. To put it another way, you'd probably not even go much past 500 AU before you die of old age, and Alpha Centauri is about a quarter million AUs away. At that speed, you'd need roughly a month just for the shortest possible distance between Earth and Mars (not the actual path a ship would take to go from Earth to Mars). http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/User:Akita_T T2 BPO poll: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=114789 Buying this: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=147098
Rana Ash Gradient Electus Matari 132	Posted - 2013.02.13 18:22:00 - [26] - Quote Sure Akita and Micheal rain on my parade, anything else you want to kill while you're at it?. So what if i die, i'll still be famous. Adela did not specify when the trip is sheduled, technological limitations can have been solved
Adela Talvanen School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 19	Posted - 2013.02.13 18:53:00 - [27] - Quote I wasn't going to add any more, but as Rana Ash want's to die a long way from home, I think I should also rain on his parade. 1, The ship wouldn't be going to Centauri B, it won't even reach the Oort cloud. 2, The mission would be a round trip. 3, If Rana Ash is just after fame, and being famous, he might or might not make it on to the crew. He'll have like all of the participants a 50:50 chance to get through the selection program. 4, IF he does manage to get on to the crew, he'll be famous, and if he's chosen to be in the crew at the last destination, he'll be along side Neil Armstrong for immortal fame. 5, And MOST importantly IF the mission and all its associated elements are implemented by the recipients, I have yard sticked, and ball parked the departure date from Earth orbit to be 18th May 2039, or the 70th anniversary of America's Apollo 17, and final moon launch, if that is missed, then a departure date will be 2nd March 2042, or the 70th anniversary or the American Pioneer 10 space probe is a back up date. IF it isn't then Eve Online is as close as Rana Ash will get to space. Hope that has cleared up Rana Ash's Star Trek plans.
Micheal Dietrich Kings Gambit Black 1028	Posted - 2013.02.13 19:30:00 - [28] - Quote Count me out. I would more than likely **** in my adult size depends and have a stroke on the way up as I'll be in the retirement years by then.
Adela Talvanen School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 19	Posted - 2013.02.13 19:47:00 - [29] - Quote Fair enough. The selection program IF the departure dates are going to be the ball parked stated will begin in the years 2035, or 2038 or 2047. IF it is implemented by the recipients before then it'll all kick off sooner. FWIW, the cut off age for stage one, phase one participation, and the start of the selection program is 68 years and 1 week...on appeal, and 68 years old normally, and at the other end it's 18 years and over normally, and 17 years and 52 weeks parent or guardian consent in writing. Right, its getting on in the evening now, and time to make some supper for me and Dad. Bye.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force 1647	Posted - 2013.02.13 20:35:00 - [30] - Quote Adela Talvanen wrote: 18th May 2039 And that's the earliest possible ? Then I'm going to be definitely too old for that type of thing, if I'm even still alive at nearly 62 years old by then. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/User:Akita_T T2 BPO poll: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=114789 Buying this: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=147098
Eurydia Vespasian Nova Insula Mining and Industrial 1089	Posted - 2013.02.13 20:44:00 - [31] - Quote i'd be 52 by a month... no fun going into space when you can almost order from the senior citizens section of the menu.
Marie Hartinez Aries Munitions and Defense 219	Posted - 2013.02.13 21:09:00 - [32] - Quote Another submariner reporting in..... For the sake of augment.... lets say the selection, training, and departure times were moved way up..... I would go in a heartbeat. Just give me enough time to say bye to the wife and kid. Hell, I don't even need to pack. Wife understands that if something like this were to happen, and I was selected to go, she would fully support it. The kid would obviously miss me, but as long as we could still communicate in some form, she'd get over it. Maybe. If the trip was round trip, then there is the possibility of seeing my family again. As to length of mission, doesn't really matter to me if it's several weeks or several years. I've done several underwater endurance runs while on a sub with the longest being 70 days. That is with no part of the boat, other then a mast or antenna, breaking the surface. After only a few days of being at sea, or in this case in space, the crew settles into a routine very quickly. The hard part to over come is the boredom. Still, if the easiest is 2039, and assuming medical technology doesn't give us cybernetic bodies or something by then, I'd still should be able to squeak by on the age thing. Surrender is still your slightly less painful option.
Kirjava EVE Protection Agency Unclaimed. 559	Posted - 2013.02.13 21:13:00 - [33] - Quote Prospective Submariner here, working on the forms and gonna be in the URNU for a bit to make up my mind. I would be perfectly prepared to leave permanently. I know I would never see family and friends again, but I know in some small way I would take their thoughts to a new world. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Cardinal Kirjava - Redeclaring the Crusade in the name of the Goddess since 2012.
Eurydia Vespasian Nova Insula Mining and Industrial 1090	Posted - 2013.02.13 21:38:00 - [34] - Quote i'd go if i could still be 25.
Rana Ash Gradient Electus Matari 132	Posted - 2013.02.14 12:54:00 - [35] - Quote It will go to Centauri B if i say so, it's just a matter of "reinforcing" my stand point.
Adela Talvanen School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 19	Posted - 2013.02.14 17:29:00 - [36] - Quote Rana Ash wrote: It will go to Centauri B if i say so, it's just a matter of "reinforcing" my stand point. With that kind of attitude I doubt you'd pass the stage 1 phase 2 formal hour interview. There seems to be some confusion regarding the departure date ect, and how old you'll all be before you try your luck at the start of the selection program. To finished this thread off, and to close it down I just want to say, I hope to have broken the back of this work-in-progress by Christmas, and hopefully will have it 90% of the writing done by next Autumn, prior to proof reading all of it for adjustments, before it is ready to be sent to the various recipients. I'm aiming for the finished product to be at around 450 to 480 pages in total. And I have to learn the fundamentals of all kinds of things related to space and engineering and flight mechanics ect as I go along. I'm a full time Carer for Dad, like I was for Mum before I lost Mum on 14 Nov 2011. As such I don't have that much free time to do the required research and work, as I have a routine that takes a fair amount of time. And when I am doing this work in progress after n hours of work on this different type of work my brain usually signals its had enough and starts to switch off, and I can't get back in the grove of doing this space work for a couple of days or so. The 2039 date is 16 years from now, and the recipients IF it's implemented will have to follow my guidance to organise the program, set up the controlling organisation, and the voting rights, plus its finances,and then modify the existing technology launch vehicles for crew and mass delivery of material of the first of a set of construction sites I have devised, which itself does not require a radical departure in thinking, as America was on the right track in basic design, before their pork barrel politics produced a lot of umming and ahhhing. Plus on top of all that the financial aspect I will have to deal with, both for the project, and globally, to fix the mess we are currently in, but as I told Mum before I lost her, it's all planned out in my head. But America acting on its own did get to the Moon from a standing start in under 10 years, but this time it'll be group effort. So, the 2039 date as I said was a ball park figure, and providing my time table is kept, this work will be out of my hands and into the hands of the recipients by late 2016, if not earlier, as I hit rough patches then after clearing them get on a roll where I can get a lot done. So, 2026 could be a good date for things to really get moving. Of course, if nowt/nothing/nada/zip happens this work will all have been for nothing. C'est la vie. Now, that that is out of the way, the selection program will be open to you all aged 18 to 68. The fitness test requirements of stage 1 phase 4 of the initial stage before the group stages will be structured for different requirements for each of the 5 age groups, namely 18 to 28, 28 to 38, 38 to 48, 48 to 58, and 58 to 68. Without going into details and why, as there isn't enough space here for that, the fitness tests will be divided into strength, weight lift, weight movement, and then cardiac test via the beep test, with for the push ups, sit ups, and beep test will dependent on the 5 age groups you fall into. i..e in 3 minutes depending on your age group you will be required to do n number of correctly performed push ups, and then sit ups, the same for the beep test levels. All the fitness tests will have to be passed, either the first time, or a second chance or you go home. A final test after all that will have to be passed. It will consist of walking in a group with selector pace setters over a 5 mile course of rough but flat ground, with a 30 pound back pack in under 4 hours and 30 minutes, with a realistic target of 4 hours and 15 minutes, but 4 hours and 30 minutes is the cut off time. The 4 hours and 30 minutes or under is not debatable, and must be met in order to progress in the selection program. Those of you who are ex-military will know what a timed march entails. Right, I hope I have joined enough dots, to satisfy your queries. As I said before. Thank you all for all your replies.
Micheal Dietrich Kings Gambit Black 1029	Posted - 2013.02.14 17:58:00 - [37] - Quote Everything in that paragraph scares the hell out of me. I mean if I'm reading that right you want to start people on your workout regime plus to help build and finance a company that is apparently not even in existence yet. I've gone from thinking like this to thinking like this. I'll stick to signing on with SpaceX thank you. They have ten years under their belt with several advanced rockets designed and built. They are the first and only private company to go to orbit and return safely. They also became the first company to deliver a payload to the ISS. CEO Elon Musk also has plans to colonize Mars on a grand scale using geodesic domes to cover large swaths of martian land that can be used to cultivation, and that will more than likely happen before your scheduled launch dates.
Adela Talvanen School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 19	Posted - 2013.02.14 18:04:00 - [38] - Quote Micheal Dietrich wrote: Everything in that paragraph scares the hell out of me. I mean if I'm reading that right you want to start people on your workout regime plus to help build and finance a company that is apparently not even in existence yet. I've gone from thinking like this to thinking like this. I'll stick to signing on with SpaceX thank you. They have ten years under their belt with several advanced rockets designed and built. They are the first and only private company to go to orbit and return safely. They also became the first company to deliver a payload to the ISS. CEO Elon Musk also has plans to colonize Mars on a grand scale using geodesic domes to cover large swaths of martian land that can be used to cultivation, and that will more than likely happen before your scheduled launch dates. Fair enough. But Space X will also be involved and in the big tent with all the rest, and on the board of the controlling organisation with voting rights. Participants for the crew, NOT the construction of the station and ship will have 4 weeks to get in shape if they get invited to the phase 4 fitness tests. And its not a 'company' but an organisation. Right, it's supper time. Bye.
Adela Talvanen School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 19	Posted - 2013.02.14 18:07:00 - [39] - Quote Deleted.
Micheal Dietrich Kings Gambit Black 1029	Posted - 2013.02.14 18:25:00 - [40] - Quote Well you aren't Mars One though your cryptic plan shares similar traits, and I know that SpaceX is working with them. They are a non-profit organization. They have also detailed what their long term goals. You won't even give a why or a what. Several people in this thread said yes to a caretakers request to shoot them into space and they don't even know what they will be doing. Scary. Scary scary scary.

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