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Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 76	Posted - 2011.10.12 22:50:00 - [1] - Quote solutions are useful when a problem exists I see no problem here, so why offer a solution? umad or something? The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 76	Posted - 2011.10.12 23:02:00 - [2] - Quote Endeavour Starfleet wrote: Lillian Elle wrote: Tech 2 Scanning Probes, that at best will get you to 5000 m from the cloaked ship. Not a bad idea. Maybe 5-10 KM So that you have to move about to find the AFK cloaker like in the days of WW2 submarine hunting. As long as it is POSSIBLE to find and kill the AFK cloaker I support the idea. We just have to be careful that it is slow enough to scan that it docent affect the ability of active players. Also I worry about the ability of such direct probes to reveal the purpose of the cloaker. Perhaps make it a random point in space to scan until you get to 100 percent then it shows the real location? Edit: I see another issue that could be abused with this idea. Someone could show up in a drake and another launch a bomb at it to form a 15KM blast that would obviously cause damage to the cloaker. It could be considered right as some kind of depth charge but I worry about its affect against those actively cloaking. What if he is a slow warper? Perhaps warning that you have been located to be fair. so wait a second here you have a problem with people being afk cloakie but no problem with having a tool to scan them down and pop them while AFK? you people are serious losers really just quit and go play lego starwars The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 76	Posted - 2011.10.12 23:13:00 - [3] - Quote Renan Ruivo wrote: Thing is i want a method to catch cloakers. Not because they prevent me from ratting because i can rat just fine with them on system.. but because i don't like the idea of anything being 100% safe while flying in space. Overheat, cloak fuel, probe that drops me within 10km from him i don't care. Local or no local I want to have tools to find him. Or are you scared of being popped? You want to be perfectly safe, pretty thing? lol nice recovery attempt, but you still fail and guess what? you even got what you wanted... you're not 100% safe thanks for playing The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 76	Posted - 2011.10.12 23:14:00 - [4] - Quote Morganta wrote: Renan Ruivo wrote: Thing is i want a method to catch cloakers. Not because they prevent me from ratting because i can rat just fine with them on system.. but because i don't like the idea of anything being 100% safe while flying in space. Overheat, cloak fuel, probe that drops me within 10km from him i don't care. Local or no local I want to have tools to find him. Or are you scared of being popped? You want to be perfectly safe, pretty thing? lol nice recovery attempt, but you still fail and guess what? you even got what you wanted... you're not 100% safe thanks for playing and fyi if you want to the tools to catch them you have them gates stations bubbles session changes logoffs downtime bait The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 76	Posted - 2011.10.12 23:22:00 - [5] - Quote Endeavour Starfleet wrote: Morganta wrote: Renan Ruivo wrote: Thing is i want a method to catch cloakers. Not because they prevent me from ratting because i can rat just fine with them on system.. but because i don't like the idea of anything being 100% safe while flying in space. Overheat, cloak fuel, probe that drops me within 10km from him i don't care. Local or no local I want to have tools to find him. Or are you scared of being popped? You want to be perfectly safe, pretty thing? lol nice recovery attempt, but you still fail and guess what? you even got what you wanted... you're not 100% safe thanks for playing Let's keep the thread on topic folks. Which is finding a solution that is not a total nerfbat to the issue of being risk free in a cloak while in a hostile system while away from the PC or otherwise not paying attention to the client. oh you must be the OPs alt let me break it down for you why should the cloak ship be subject to a threat if the ship itself is not a threat? he's AFK... SAY IT WITH ME NOW! AFK he's no threat, he is not deriving any benefit from being there, hes not playing the game, he's not doing ANYTHING yet because you are a gutless coward you feel he should be subject to a higher risk than he poses to you simply because he has the nerve to be in the same local as your royal highness no, hell no learn to play or go the **** away, I for one am sick of knee jerk nerfs and other stupidity thrown at the game lately because of crybabies like you and your main The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 76	Posted - 2011.10.12 23:31:00 - [6] - Quote Renan Ruivo wrote: Morganta wrote: and fyi if you want to the tools to catch them you have them gates stations bubbles session changes logoffs downtime bait I can't decide if you just didn't grasp the meaning of "tools to catch one" or are just trying to insult me. you insult yourself when you make posts like this. obviously you are reacting to one person or corp who has angered you so much that you now demand the means to hunt this particular person or persons down so you can extract your retribution. sorry you are mad bro, but your personal problems in-game are not reason enough to nerf an entire class of ships The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 76	Posted - 2011.10.12 23:39:00 - [7] - Quote Endeavour Starfleet wrote: Lyris Nairn wrote: I love this thread so much. I can't wait 'til my newest stealth bomber alt is done cooking. One of the reasons we post as alts. If you knew who my main was I would more than expect to "Gain" you or another AFK cloaker in our system as retribution. That is why posting as an alt or main has nothing to do with it. A good idea to deal with this issue is a good idea. see, I don't have that fear if you wan't to come afk blueball yourself to death down in syndicate I'll be more than happy to laugh at you in local The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 76	Posted - 2011.10.13 00:02:00 - [8] - Quote so then not letting them in your system isn't an option? this was the tool I was referring to afk cloakers do not simply spawn into your system, they need to travel just like everyone else. a quick look at the stats on evekill will tell you covops ships are not indestructible, people pop em all the time you have the tools, thats why your demand for a fix to your personal problems is not a fix or a worthy topic of discussion. covops have to transit around the universe just like everyone else, they have to log in and log out, they dock and undock they enter and exit your precious system with gates the cloaks benefit is to grant you immunity from detection, thats the whole point, without that feature its useless, and it comes at a hefty cost even on a covops ship. if you can't control access to your system, then its not really your system is it? The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 77	Posted - 2011.10.13 00:48:00 - [9] - Quote even when he's there, hes still "not there" AFK or ATK the threat is a perceived one. so how do you recon this works with eyes? their role is to cloak for intel, not afk harassment. do you think these people should be rendered ineffective because the blob on the gate he's scouting can probe/scan/pulse him down with 10 different members in a matter of seconds? again, its your personal dislike of a system affecting one aspect of your gameplay and you call for a global nerf that addresses your agenda with no regard for all the other ways the class is employed throughout the game. This is my problem, Sometimes you just have to learn to deal with it and quit asking for things that mess it up for everyone else, I could care less about the specific nerf, it don't matter. The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 77	Posted - 2011.10.13 00:57:00 - [10] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Cloaks!!! Nothing causes more bots to dock up and more fat Russian girlfriends to get pushed off of laps faster than popping into a 0.0 system from a WH and hitting that cloak before they launch that super and start spamming insults in bad english. this may be the funniest thing I've read all day +1 The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy

Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 77	Posted - 2011.10.13 01:00:00 - [11] - Quote [quote=Renan Ruivo][quote=Morganta]even when he's there, hes still "not there" AFK or ATK the threat is a perceived one. so how do you recon this works with eyes? their role is to cloak for intel, not afk harassment. do you think these people should be rendered ineffective because the blob on the gate he's scouting can probe/scan/pulse him down with 10 different members in a matter of seconds?/ Quote: Nope. By being cloaked it means that you should be able to react much more effectivelly to whatever tactic your enemy wishes to employ. Maybe as simple as just moving around just by clicking at random directions in space. But the key here is that YOU need to REACT to whatever tactics your enemy wishes to employ. So your ship needs you at the helm making tactical decisions if you wish to remain effective. The cloak should only make it easier. Take the 10km probe. You can easelly mitigate that by simply leaving your ship accelerated. The enemy will arrive 10km from you, and before he exits warp, your cloaky will already be 13km from him moving away in whatever crazy direction you selected and will keep on moving away, making the search-radius bigger and bigger. HOWEVER, you wouldn't be able to simply accelerate your ship and go AFK because a semi-intelligent prober will know how to detect the vector of a moving ship that only goes in one direction. unless I'm orbiting a moon at 349km The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 77	Posted - 2011.10.13 01:07:00 - [12] - Quote Renan Ruivo wrote: Morganta wrote: unless I'm orbiting a moon at 349km Nope, can still find you regardless if you are moving in a straight line or orbiting something. If you're AFK then your vector remains unchanged. I probe you down 4 or 5 times at different, regular intervals and drop a can at each spot. Depending on the line or the curve i can predict where you will be. Unless you change your vector. Now THIS is much more entertaning for me, both for the hunter and the hunted. lol, boy you sure got a heavy axe to grind there, perhaps you should just relocate to quieter places I can't imagine all this maniacal planning is doing your blood pressure very good The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 77	Posted - 2011.10.13 01:22:00 - [13] - Quote The Apostle wrote: Vid Eeomeet wrote: The Apostle- Of course I know cloaked ships don't show on d-scan. Neither can cloaked ships take any offensive action. A cloaked ship is only dangerous once decloaked. Then they show up on d-scan if close or in overview if dangerously close. A true AFk cloaker won't even pass on Intel being afk. I do just fine in systems with cloaked vessels because I watch my d-scan for ships that decloak and can actually engage. Any ship that can engage has to decloak first. Also cyno'd in ships will spike local. I just don't see the problem. There's no need to avoid somebody that can't attack. They can only attack once you can see them too on d-scan or overview or local spike from covert cyno. A cloaky recon can come up just over 2.5k fully cloaked and he will not show until he decloaks and lights a cyno right on your clacker. You won't need to d-scan. he's there!! Worse, if he has a mate, you're pointed before you can even find the warp button. Less than 10 seconds later, blob is in and you're dead. Blob scatters and waits it out to exit. And unless you have a fleet WITH you - you can't stop it. But that isn't the topic. The fact is that the threat of the drop remains even if the cloaky is in bed fast asleep is the issue. well that must be one hell of a bat phone to call in a hotdrop 23/7 if these guys can do that you might as well just give up, they won eve The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 77	Posted - 2011.10.13 01:37:00 - [14] - Quote Renan Ruivo wrote: Heh.. you elite pvp'ers got so spoiled by your trusty covert ops cloaking device that i almost feel the shame you ought to be feeling of yourselves.. What a bunch of hypocrites =) So scared that people might one day be able to find you.. I pray to god that one day i get to taste your tears. why not just grow a pair and fight people who want to fight you you'll be amazed about how little of a **** you'll give about afk cloakers when you actually have something to do and not sitting there bored out of your tree grinding your teeth and jotting down short punctuated notes and KOS lists on little scraps of paper that you affix to the wall with a booger. my tears are waiting, you just need to come and collect or is hunting down and killing people "not at the keyboard" really more your speed? I mean if it is you might want to consider high sec mining The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 77	Posted - 2011.10.13 02:01:00 - [15] - Quote Renan Ruivo wrote: Morganta wrote: why not just grow a pair and fight people who want to fight you Your attempt at diverting the point amuses me =) If i didn't know better, i'd say you are sounding just like a high-sec carebear who doesn't want the fight brought to them, because "oh i haven't done anything to anybody" come at me bro. no you are asking for a new way to be a ganker because you apparently can't do it in the traditional ways. hunting down afk people is not a dignified or honorable profession, and is just what i would expect from that hi-sec carebear you speak of The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 77	Posted - 2011.10.13 02:14:00 - [16] - Quote Renan Ruivo wrote: Morganta wrote: Renan Ruivo wrote: Morganta wrote: why not just grow a pair and fight people who want to fight you Your attempt at diverting the point amuses me =) If i didn't know better, i'd say you are sounding just like a high-sec carebear who doesn't want the fight brought to them, because "oh i haven't done anything to anybody" come at me bro. no you are asking for a new way to be a ganker because you apparently can't do it in the traditional ways. hunting down afk people is not a dignified or honorable profession, and is just what i would expect from that hi-sec carebear you speak of This is what i'm talking about. This is the kind of ~elite PvPer~ that the damned covert ops cloaking device have created. Killing the hulks and the PVE ravens and the ratting abaddons is pretty dignified eh? Sneaking behind a guys back and lighting a cyno to call 10 friends is a very honorable profession, right?! Theres nothing wrong with doing any of these things so don't you tell me that finding your cloaked ass is dishonorable. This is the double-standard that i'm talking about. You people make me sick to my stomach. PvP'ers... Pfft. You make us all look bad. HA! the killing of hulks and the PVE ravens and the ratting abaddons is pretty dignified, and its done by people AT THE KEYBOARD, the ones you profess to have no problem with. so either you are just a moron or you are pulling off a fairly decent troll, but that last post foiled your plan and I'll feed you no more. and my offer stands, you wanna dance? I'll be happy to be your partner, and it won't be in any damn covops boat I can tell you that. The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 78	Posted - 2011.10.13 03:14:00 - [17] - Quote Endeavour Starfleet wrote: Please keep the insults and crap out of this topic please. It is not relevant. oh enough of you already, my post is thoroughly relevant which is more than I can say for all the poop that you posted in this thread. go play jimminy cricket somewhere else, the grownups are talking here The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 80	Posted - 2011.10.13 15:11:00 - [18] - Quote Herold Oldtimer wrote: Ingvar Angst wrote: CCP Phantom wrote: Thread cleaned from off-topic posts. Please stay on topic. Thank you! CCP Phantom. Heya Phantom, I don't suppose you'd be willing to give CCP's perspective on things, would you? It could go a long way to reducing some of the more ridiculous ideas being vomited out... I doubt they will, as it would be quoted to hell and back as the end-all-argument-point. But I've been wrong before. Keeping this discussion going for as long as possible gives them good feedback on what we as the playerbase currently feel about it. hardly, unless you consider the less than 20 people posting in this thread constitutes the playerbase The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 80	Posted - 2011.10.14 01:23:00 - [19] - Quote The Apostle wrote: Morganta wrote: the argument that nobody should be 100% safe is complete crap Can you please repeat that? I'd like it preseved for posterity when I discuss that we need x, y and z and it's blown to hell and back..... because NO-ONE in Eve should be 100% safe.... I'll rephrase the idea that cloaks should be nerfed because they make only cloakers 100% safe is complete crap my bad for not being more specific The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 83	Posted - 2011.10.14 13:29:00 - [20] - Quote Rhinanna wrote: Quote: market traders have no risk of ship loss while plying their trade corp scammers have no risk of being podded while cleaning out a corp hangar someone sitting on the undock who does not agress is in space and in absolutely no danger unless he's a complete bufoon Someone sitting on undock not agressing isn't earning anything, zero risk, zero reward..... seems fair! None of your points have ANY merit at all really...... no? someone cloaked and afk in space isn't earning anything either, zero risk, zero reward I'd say my point has lots of merit The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy

Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 83	Posted - 2011.10.14 13:30:00 - [21] - Quote JESUS CHRIST IN A CHICKEN BASKET CCP FIX THESE DAMN FORUMS, PLEASE REMOVE QUOTE FROM OUR OWN BLOODY POSTS SO WE DON'T QUOTE POST WHEN TRYING TO ******* EDIT The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 92	Posted - 2011.10.18 01:15:00 - [22] - Quote Endeavour Starfleet wrote: Skunk Gracklaw wrote: Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: Make cloakies able to be scanned. Why? So if they are AFK they can be found and destroyed. Just like any other ship because you want to grief the griefers who grief you? how do you know they are not at a station or pos? seems to me like the argument is for you being safe. bad idea is bad you don't get to pop afkers to make your mission system safer for yourself. you want it to be safer, then play safer The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy

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