Or am I missing something here?

Removing Local is not a real solution to the AFK issue.

Matter of fact it will mean even more risk free hotdrops. Not a solution.

To solve this issue you must remove the incentive to walk away from your computer while cloaked.

The issue is it does exist. CCP can easily pull up the history to show the many AFK cloakers turning active and hotdropping resulting in almost free kills.

Removing local will not decrease free hotdrops it will increase them dramatically.

The REAL solution is to remove the incentive to walk away from the keyboard

without destroying nullsec with a local change.

I ONLY want to remove the incentive to go AFK in a hostile system.

Don't Destroy Nullsec with removing local

I am talking about local with its main use now which is knowing instantly who is in system. That is a general term and I would be happy to support an external system that emulates or improves on it.

What about a new type of probes, that allows you to scan down cloaked ships?

In a far too broad sense the reason would be to decloak and destroy those who are AFK.

To provide risk to AFK cloaking.

There is already risk. Bring your fleet to take down the POS or capture the station system. Not impossible.

Not playing 20 questions.

Still have a problem with anomaly denial though... it is like i said it is. CCP cannot fix that, so they say its an "accepted tactic".

Removing local will not stop AFK cloaking.

That has already been talked about. We need to discuss removing the incentive to go away from the keyboard while cloaked in a hostile system.

The AFK cloaker will be able to get in and even if someone watches him come in he will be able to remain cloaked and then as usual come in for the hotdrop with no warning from Dscan.. Hell why am I even discussing this again?

Removing local is of want of free ganks that ought to be obvious.

Removing the incentive to go AFK while cloaked is my goal.

That would affect active cloaking! I want to target just the inactive cloakers. An active cloaker ought to be able to keep active and watch for prey to do somthing stupid and hotdrop on them.

My solution removes the incentive to be away from the keyboard while cloaked.

BY THE WAY

You guys here know that local as we know it is going to be removed, right!?

IF that happens it will be replaced with somthing of equal use. Anything otherwise would wreck nullsec and CCP knows it.

No, I want something to say "Contact is decloaked"

If the contact is in my system and goes away from keyboard. I want to be able to kill it 15-30 mins later.

No I just want local to stay as it is

and to be able to decloak those who are cloaked in system and away from their keyboards.

I am just targeting AFK cloaking with my suggestion.

So can we focus on the topic please?

Apart from the anon respawn issue still no one has given this thread one good reason why it needs to be looked at?

Which has been pointed out as something that can be achieved while being cloaked and afk.

sit afk on an anomaly, cloaked, preventing it from despawning.

Please keep this on topic.

Stating that I will use the forum report function to report posts that violate the TOS is not holding up a gun to someones head. Saying so is libel.

A warp off to stop the probe process is quick and easy you just have to go off grid and come back. Which ought to take mere seconds. If you miss a kill it is because you have messed up your warp system.

If my plan interferes with you then so be it. Because just about any other plan would SERIOUSLY impact active cloaking.

I will support them over nothing being done

Heya Phantom, I don't suppose you'd be willing to give CCP's perspective on things, would you? It could go a long way to reducing some of the more ridiculous ideas being vomited out...

How many months or years has this thread or ones like it been going and accomplishing nothing?

Because each side keeps failing to present valid arguments to the other?

Want to hear another failed argument from the other side? They want cloaked ships to remain 100% detection proof, but are also unable to explain how that is balanced with the rest of the game.

No-one asked for cloakies to be removed.

The request is for non-active cloakies to be able to be located.

Then I state that either do not or never have ratted or mined in 0.0. Ever.

So the cloak is the only profession in this game that can be perfomed with absolute safety instead of just very-high safety? That seems right to you?

You are telling me that a tool that would make any semi-competent cloak pilot laugh while their adversary clumsily tries to locate him, would be the same as removing cloak alltogether and make your job difficult enough to the point of rage-quit?

Now can we focus on discussing ways to provide risk for those who are cloaked while not active in their client?

The topic states "A possible solution to AFK cloaky alts"

We are discussing solutions here.

Removing local will cause far more problems than solutions.

Removing local = highly buffed AFK cloaking not solves it.

I think the best argument FOR AFK cloaking is that it's not a big deal, or that hey you just think having an impact on your enemies while AFK is OK. AFK cloaker not having an impact because they are AFK is a poor argument:

-Either the ratters/miners assume the AFK ship is active and take measures to mitigate the risk (loss of profit) OR
-They assume the ship is AFK and risk being blown up (greater loss of profit)

let me explain... cloaking is ok infact its needed and great... but perma afk 23/7 cloaking is silly and op in its emotianal affect on the game.

furhtermore after 28 pages there has not been a single post in favor of afk cloaking that was not just a sense of entitlement staw man arugment based on ad hominem fallacies...

whats the more simple less complex fix as ccp has only so much resourses...

simply nerf afk cloaking but not wolf pack hunting?

or removing local and intorducing a totally new game mechanic for ship detection?

if its the latter then i would prefer them to first nerf afk cloaking.

cloaking is a counter to local... afk cloaking is an exploitation of a game mechanic to make local obsolete...

The primary goal with dealing with AFK cloakers is that the cloaky should be forced to decloak after N hours and spend 10-30 seconds uncloaked before they can cloak up again.