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Wescro
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Posted - 2013.02.12 09:58:00 -
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If you haven't already read the EVE Uni forum post or the Reddit post linking to it, here it is. Protect your spacebucks! They banning everyone out here without recourse.
On a more serious note, I hope CCP realizes this is unacceptable. Banning bots is the lords work, but there has to be a fair dispute resolution process. The above story is not only a display of incompetence, its sheer malice towards a respected member of the community. It's a rare blight on CCPs otherwise decent track record of being responsive to the community. (sarcasm?)
For what it's worth I hope this forum post and discussion will present a united response to Team Securitys arbitrary banning of "John" and result in positive change for the EVE playerbase. James 315-á-áis the only pro-sandbox candidate running for CSM 8. Resist the theme-park invasion from dying MMOs like WoW! Keep the only sandbox MMO alive! Vote 315 4 CSM8!!! |

Wescro
Tash-Murkon Amalgamated Security
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Posted - 2013.02.12 10:50:00 -
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Maybe my impression is incorrect here, but I was imagining his "in-game browser script" to not be very different from how EVE-Central calculates profitable trade items for haulers. The reason I say that is arbitrary is because if you stretch it, simply opening a notepad and writing down "buy x units of y" could be considered
Quote:...patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency...
Now if he was automating keypresses and clicks, then I guess we can all agree it was wrong. But simply using a third party script that doesn't interact with the client, aka doesn't play the game for him, that should be ok. James 315-á-áis the only pro-sandbox candidate running for CSM 8. Resist the theme-park invasion from dying MMOs like WoW! Keep the only sandbox MMO alive! Vote 315 4 CSM8!!! |

Wescro
Tash-Murkon Amalgamated Security
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Posted - 2013.02.12 11:00:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:I'm very sure that you can't modify 30 orders within a minute - whether with macros or by hand.
I bet you can, under the right circumstances (not Jita). Go to "my orders"
Double-click - 0.13 seconds Roll mousewheel up/down once - 0.10 seconds Press enter - 0.15 seconds Move mouse to next order - 0.68 seconds
Use the remaining one second to account for UI delay and develop arthritis. James 315-á-áis the only pro-sandbox candidate running for CSM 8. Resist the theme-park invasion from dying MMOs like WoW! Keep the only sandbox MMO alive! Vote 315 4 CSM8!!! |

Wescro
Tash-Murkon Amalgamated Security
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Posted - 2013.02.12 11:19:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:
I find it ironic that a New Order member who hates botters is trying to justify the actions of a botter.
Well I define botting more narrowly than simply being able to out-perform others.
I'm going to have to eat my words now in light of what CCP Screegs has revealed. James 315-á-áis the only pro-sandbox candidate running for CSM 8. Resist the theme-park invasion from dying MMOs like WoW! Keep the only sandbox MMO alive! Vote 315 4 CSM8!!! |

Wescro
Tash-Murkon Amalgamated Security
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Posted - 2013.02.12 11:22:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:There are a number of things wrong with the assertions being made in other forums, which is a topic I'm sure the author of these posts is familiar with because we discussed them prior to his rather selective reporting of the incident. Here's the facts as we need be concerned from an eve perspective:
1) John was botting. That is not even close to in dispute. 2) We committed an error in not removing the isk before it got to EVE-U. However we did rectify this problem and our logs show that it was discussed and approved prior to either them receiving the isk or petitioning. We apologized to EVE-U however the petition was escalated as high as it could be and the decision remained. We cannot typically share this information with them as it's really none of their business. 3) The only authority higher than the Director of Security for these complaints is the Executive Producer and then the CEO. This is a higher level of escalation than the Customer Service arm and IA automatically looks at our work. I'm not sure why we feel we should be able to escalate higher than the highest reasonable authority but the fact is that this team operates with significant oversight. We believe the issue here to be more that this particular CSM feels he isn't in the loop, something which is quite frankly the only proper way to do business in a unit that handles secrets.
Frankly we're a bit disturbed by the allegations made here given that the person in question waited until they exhausted every resource possible prior to posting this then lamented the lack of an escalation path. Not getting the answer you like isn't a lack of an escalation path and never will be.
Thank you for responding substantively instead of closing the thread. I'm sure everyone here wants to see the right thing done. In this situation it's your word against the players. Is there anyway the playerbase can be given assurance that the process is not arbitrary besides simply asking us to have faith in CCP? James 315-á-áis the only pro-sandbox candidate running for CSM 8. Resist the theme-park invasion from dying MMOs like WoW! Keep the only sandbox MMO alive! Vote 315 4 CSM8!!! |

Wescro
Tash-Murkon Amalgamated Security
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Posted - 2013.02.12 11:28:00 -
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Thur Barbek wrote:Wescro wrote: Thank you for responding substantively instead of closing the thread. I'm sure everyone here wants to see the right thing done. In this situation it's your word against the players. Is there anyway the playerbase can be given assurance that the process is not arbitrary besides simply asking us to have faith in CCP?
CCP Sreegs already said they knew 100% that john was botting. I don't get why deciding to punish him would be an "arbitrary" decision.
Because that would require having faith in CCPs assertion that they are 100% sure, which I don't have a problem with, just that it'd be nice to have additional assurance.
I will go and edit my OP now to tone down the accusations, I feel they were exaggerated. James 315-á-áis the only pro-sandbox candidate running for CSM 8. Resist the theme-park invasion from dying MMOs like WoW! Keep the only sandbox MMO alive! Vote 315 4 CSM8!!! |

Wescro
Tash-Murkon Amalgamated Security
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Posted - 2013.02.12 11:44:00 -
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Whitehound wrote: You leave out the step where you look up the price you want to enter and type it into the field before pressing ENTER.
This alone takes more than 2 seconds.
I always make sure I get the digits right or else I might enter a ridiculous amount and make a massive loss. This guy must have been using some tool to be entering the right price this fast.
This discussion is moot at this point but I will humor you.
You do not need to look up the price to update an order. You need to look up the price to update an order AND undercut other orders.
Typing a price is also unnecessary, as simply rolling the mousewheel changes the price by 0.01 ISK. I'm sure you knew that though. =P James 315-á-áis the only pro-sandbox candidate running for CSM 8. Resist the theme-park invasion from dying MMOs like WoW! Keep the only sandbox MMO alive! Vote 315 4 CSM8!!! |

Wescro
Tash-Murkon Amalgamated Security
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Posted - 2013.02.12 18:17:00 -
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I regret starting this thread. Please stop posting here. The matter seems resolved to me. Cheers CCP Sreegs. James 315-á-áis the only pro-sandbox candidate running for CSM 8. Resist the theme-park invasion from dying MMOs like WoW! Keep the only sandbox MMO alive! Vote 315 4 CSM8!!! |

Wescro
Tash-Murkon Amalgamated Security
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Posted - 2013.02.12 19:58:00 -
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Borlag Crendraven wrote:On top of that Kelduums most recent comments that CCP's treated uni badly for ages and intentionally introduced bugs and features that harm them are downright hilarious. How out of touch can one person really be?
Do you have a link to these comments? James 315-á-áis the only pro-sandbox candidate running for CSM 8. Resist the theme-park invasion from dying MMOs like WoW! Keep the only sandbox MMO alive! Vote 315 4 CSM8!!! |
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