... It transpires that GÇ£JohnGÇ¥ had been temporarily banned from EVE as CCPs GÇÿTeam SecurityGÇÖ had identified his actions as GÇÿsuspectGÇÖ - he was a station trader, and a very good one at that, playing trade markets in EVE like a professional, using the common tools available, as well as custom built tools, but never automating anything to do with the EVE client himself - the closest he ever got was probably to create custom in-game-browser pages to streamline his workflow, meaning he would log into an alt, and update around 30 orders a minute for 10-20 minutes at a time. ...

3.You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.

I'm very sure that you can't modify 30 orders within a minute - whether with macros or by hand.

I bet you can, under the right circumstances (not Jita). Go to "my orders"

Double-click - 0.13 seconds
Roll mousewheel up/down once - 0.10 seconds
Press enter - 0.15 seconds
Move mouse to next order - 0.68 seconds

Use the remaining one second to account for UI delay and develop arthritis.

Typing a price is also unnecessary, as simply rolling the mousewheel changes the price by 0.01 ISK. I'm sure you knew that though. =P

So are you saying that scraping the Market cache is not okay, or only okay until you decide it constitutes botting?

In my opinion cache scraping is illegal.

Cache scraping is read only. No modification.

You can't do it without interacting with local files used by the client. In my perfect world those would be protected better. As I said you won't be banned for it today but that's why I take issue with it. We should be enabling this via the API instead.

it's a standing expression - just like "web scraping" (which doesn't modify any websites either)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_scraping

he just told a few thousand unsuspecting evemon users that they are in violation of the EULA.

what do you expect to happen?

http://i.imgur.com/ulHNYPw.jpg

this box is ticked by default.

now please stop spreading disinfiormation

Still nothing is modified, once the DoS is done then the website will still be there exactly the same as before the DoS.

You're wrong.

Stop trolling please. And if you aren't trolling, then it's time to stop posting because you have no idea what you're talking about.

By default EVEMon (as of release 1.7) will parse the market cache files generated by your EVEClient and (optionally) upload them to places like eve-central. This functionality is enabled by default.

I have NEVER found a player with less clue about how EvE works on many threads and yet he keeps to diligently dig himself into a deeper and deeper hole.

Please, seriously stop posting and start learning.

First of all cache scraping can't be illegal because ...

The games EULAs only define a binding contract (usually completely limiting the rights of the consumer) on what's allowed or not. Not on what's illegal.

Rofl. I guess me and about 3/4ths of eve will get banned soon then.

The fun thing is that he's getting all incensed and then HE breached the EULA (assuming CCP Screegs words would be enforced) while I have never enabled EvE Mon cache scraping. Actually I am not using EvE Mon since months.

The only one with a problem right here is you, surrounded by people kindly trying to explain your things and you headbutting left and right.

if I was drinking my morning coffee I would've need a new set of monitors and a new kboard because that's hilarious. if you reeeaaaly knew WH, you would've know that this is not him enraged. this is him engaging in a normal conversation.


WH in RAEG mode? this??

Having worked in internal investigations for over a decade at very large companies I can inform you from experience that this statement is patently false in common practice. I've actually never even heard of this scenario, though I agree with its spirit.

Imo CCP Sreegs does just one thing wrong.

Exactly this! I have no clue if this guy was really boting, but who decides what is humanly possible?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVEvwNbeK6I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-ofosFtuqs,

Don't. This thread is full of win. And CCP Screegs got lots of likes having a busy day on the forums .

As far as E-Uni leadership is concerned, you couldn't expect anything else really.

by the gods, as the posts continue to flow, I'm starting to lose sight of the hole's depth.

ok I ran out of popcorn. anybody got more?