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Traxio Nacho	Posted - 2005.07.22 13:39:00 - [31] Well innocent people dont normally run away if they havent done anything wrong, lets hope next the police go for shooting practice in the big brother house
0seeker0	Posted - 2005.07.22 13:40:00 - [32] Originally by: Ikvar They switched to 5.56 'cos it's a less dangerous round? Recoil mate, recoil. (Also, the ammunition the original AK47 is chambered for are 7.62x39, where as 7.62 NATO is 7.62x51) What does the 39 and 51 stand for please? Thanks. Character "Widescreen" is a scammer; beware. Check my bio for a list of known scammers.
Saladin	Posted - 2005.07.22 13:46:00 - [33] I saw this on the bbc website: Quote: One of them was carrying a black handgun - it looked like an automatic - they pushed him to the floor, bundled on top of him and unloaded five shots into him. So they subdued him and shot him while he was down? Linkage
Vistilantus	Posted - 2005.07.22 13:53:00 - [34] Edited by: Vistilantus on 22/07/2005 13:55:50 Originally by: Saladin I saw this on the bbc website: Quote: One of them was carrying a black handgun - it looked like an automatic - they pushed him to the floor, bundled on top of him and unloaded five shots into him. So they subdued him and shot him while he was down? Linkage I would take "eye-witness" statements with a pinch of salt, they are rarely accurate. People see what they want to see. The police in the uk would NEVER get away with restraining someone and shooting them UNLESS there is reason to believe there is a danger to life, two armed cops were nearly jailed for shooting someone that pointed "what appeared to be a shotgun" at them (the guy had a table leg wrapped up in a plastic bag then pointed it at police when told to stop) so don't believe anything untill there is an official statement released. :) ~Vistilantus ~I don't Have an attitude problem, YOU have a perception problem.
Jernau Gurgeh	Posted - 2005.07.22 14:01:00 - [35] Originally by: 0seeker0 Originally by: Ikvar They switched to 5.56 'cos it's a less dangerous round? Recoil mate, recoil. (Also, the ammunition the original AK47 is chambered for are 7.62x39, where as 7.62 NATO is 7.62x51) What does the 39 and 51 stand for please? Thanks. The length of the round? There are 10 sorts of people in the world - those who understand binary, and those who do not.
Vlandarr	Posted - 2005.07.22 14:04:00 - [36] Edited by: Vlandarr on 22/07/2005 14:03:56 If we are beliveing all witness statements then erm add this one to the mix to : Quote: Another passenger on the train, Anthony Larkin, told BBC News the man had been wearing a "bomb belt with wires coming out". Also to the guy saying it may have been some innocent guy off the street: Quote: BBC Home affairs correspondent Margaret Gilmore said officers had challenged a known suspect they had been following They had been following him in connection with the attempted bombs yesterday. Obviously they felt he was a danger to the public and did what they had to do.
Jernau Gurgeh	Posted - 2005.07.22 14:14:00 - [37] Originally by: Vlandarr Quote: BBC Home affairs correspondent Margaret Gilmore said officers had challenged a known suspect they had been following They had been following him in connection with the attempted bombs yesterday. Obviously they felt he was a danger to the public and did what they had to do. So, they they thought that he was a danger to the public, but followed him to a busy underground station before they tried to stop him? There are 10 sorts of people in the world - those who understand binary, and those who do not.
0seeker0	Posted - 2005.07.22 14:25:00 - [38] Originally by: Jernau Gurgeh So, they they thought that he was a danger to the public, but followed him to a busy underground station before they tried to stop him? Thats the sort of crap that happens when you put a liberal like sir ian blair in charge of the police. If we had that arizona sheriff in charge, he would have been dead or arrested yesterday im sure. Character "Widescreen" is a scammer; beware. Check my bio for a list of known scammers.
Vlandarr	Posted - 2005.07.22 14:29:00 - [39] Originally by: Jernau Gurgeh So, they they thought that he was a danger to the public, but followed him to a busy underground station before they tried to stop him? Maybe they had been chasing him since he started to approach before he entered the station hence the use of the gun after multiple warnings.
Saladin	Posted - 2005.07.22 14:58:00 - [40] Originally by: Vlandarr Originally by: Jernau Gurgeh So, they they thought that he was a danger to the public, but followed him to a busy underground station before they tried to stop him? Maybe they had been chasing him since he started to approach before he entered the station hence the use of the gun after multiple warnings. Or maybe they were hoping he would lead them to previously unknown suspects.

Hella May	Posted - 2005.07.22 15:03:00 - [41] Originally by: Jernau Gurgeh Edited by: Jernau Gurgeh on 22/07/2005 13:24:10 Originally by: Degarion Soth Although nothing has beed released yet, the police probably didnt know if he had any explosives on his body that he could set off - so the safest way to protect the public would be to shoot him dead. I am sure if they could they would have not killed him and took him in for questioning, but i doubt they had the chance. If you're being held down by three police officers, you're not going to be able to detonate a bomb. And I doubt very much if he did have a bomb on him anyway. Interesting post: A lawyer would perhaps argue that firing 5 bullets into a person could be an excessive use of force, and thus the officer had better have a good reason. Indeed holding the person down, they must have felt it serious enough to shoot him. A police officer is responsible for each bullet he fires and must decide if the threat of not shooting the person is greater than shooting them. If he makes the wrong decision, he can be brought to court on the charge of manslaughter. As for executions, the last mistaken execution in Britain was of Derrick Bentley, who was convicted of killing a policeman. Infact, he was not the person who fired the gun. I believe this was in the 1950/60Æs. I personally believe that the death penalty should be brought back, but only in cases of certain guilt, treason and murder of a policeman. Obviously however this would be against Britains perverse left wing government. Let's get this straight, if a girl has to be "rescued" 10 times a week from a brothel shes not a damsel but a prostitute.
Hella May	Posted - 2005.07.22 15:07:00 - [42] Originally by: 0seeker0 Originally by: Jernau Gurgeh So, they they thought that he was a danger to the public, but followed him to a busy underground station before they tried to stop him? Thats the sort of crap that happens when you put a liberal like sir ian blair in charge of the police. If we had that arizona sheriff in charge, he would have been dead or arrested yesterday im sure. 0seeker0 what do you actually know about the British police other than the American articles you have read? p.s American Police are not British Also, on a diff subject, as for the five bullets, no one has said all five hit him Let's get this straight, if a girl has to be "rescued" 10 times a week from a brothel shes not a damsel but a prostitute.
Jernau Gurgeh	Posted - 2005.07.22 15:09:00 - [43] Edited by: Jernau Gurgeh on 22/07/2005 15:09:47 Originally by: Hella May As for executions, the last mistaken execution in Britain was of Derrick Bentley, who was convicted of killing a policeman. Infact, he was not the person who fired the gun. I believe this was in the 1950/60Æs. Correct. And on top of that, they guy who did fire the gun got off with a lesser sentence because he was under eighteen at the time of the crime. I also remember hearing somewhere that Bentley was educationally sub-normal. Quote: I personally believe that the death penalty should be brought back, but only in cases of certain guilt, treason and murder of a policeman. As things stand, you're only convicted of a crime if it's beyond reasonable doubt that you're guilty. What extra level of proof would be required for guilt to be certain? Quote: Obviously however this would be against Britains perverse left wing government. If you think that our government is left wing, you obviously weren't around in the seventies and eighties. There are 10 sorts of people in the world - those who understand binary, and those who do not.
Jernau Gurgeh	Posted - 2005.07.22 15:13:00 - [44] Originally by: Hella May Also, on a diff subject, as for the five bullets, no one has said all five hit him Well if the reports that the suspect was being held on the ground are true, then the shots would have been fired at point blank range. Under such circumstances, if the policeman missed with any of his rounds he doesn't deserve to be a firearms officer. The more I think about this the more I think that the policeman paniced. There are 10 sorts of people in the world - those who understand binary, and those who do not.
0seeker0	Posted - 2005.07.22 15:21:00 - [45] Originally by: Hella May believe that the death penalty should be brought back, but only in cases of certain guilt, treason Treason doesnt exist anymore as a criminal offence, Bliar made sure of it. Character "Widescreen" is a scammer; beware. Check my bio for a list of known scammers.
0seeker0	Posted - 2005.07.22 15:23:00 - [46] Edited by: 0seeker0 on 22/07/2005 15:22:50 Originally by: Hella May 0seeker0 what do you actually know about the British police other than the American articles you have read? p.s American Police are not British All work and no play makes hella may a dull poster. P.s i know. Character "Widescreen" is a scammer; beware. Check my bio for a list of known scammers.
Hella May	Posted - 2005.07.22 15:23:00 - [47] Could you shoot any one whilst running through a busy station and hit him 5 times in the head with five shots from a gun which weights more than a small child? Let's get this straight, if a girl has to be "rescued" 10 times a week from a brothel shes not a damsel but a prostitute.
Hellraiza666	Posted - 2005.07.22 15:43:00 - [48] Originally by: Jernau Gurgeh Edited by: Jernau Gurgeh on 22/07/2005 13:35:38 Actually, I'm not trying to defend him (although with our legal system he is entitled to a defence) if he was involved in bombing. Shooting people needlessly and blowing people up needlessly are both wrong, OK? Could have fooled me..... and i think its bull**** that a suicide bomber should have a defence, as for that pig thing, if it stopped suicide bombers, then why dont we bring it bk.. -------------------------------------------- In War There Are No Runners Up... Image by Denrace
Shirer Aprenon	Posted - 2005.07.22 15:53:00 - [49] Just want to clear a few points up for you regarding the ammunition types in use: NATO 5.56 round was selected over the NATO 7.62 for a number of reasons, the primary reason was that the 5.56 has better tumbling charcteristics than the NATO 7.62. Tumbling is what happens to the 5.56 round when it enters the body - the idea being the entry wound is smaller, the exit is somewhat larger. The 5.56 therefore has a better take down, causes a greater degree of internal trauma to organs, and leads to a greater strain on the enemies medical requirements in a conflict. 7.62 rounds have a habit, at military combat ranges, of going through the target without tumbling. 5.56 is a better round ballistically - it carries more kinetic energy at shorter ranges than the 7.62 at similar ranges - I remember seeing a 7.62 MG v a 5.56 MG and 2 separate brick walls at 50 mtrs. The demo was to evidence the fact that the 5.56 MG destroyed the wall in a quicker timeframe than 7.62 - Don't hide behind trees in a gunfight - they aren't bulletproof! A secondary reason for choosing the 5.56 round is that it is smaller and weighs less - that's a good thing logistically as a soldier can carry more for the same weight, and put thirty in a mag (SA80) instead of 20 (FN FAL - we called it the SLR) I have not yet seen the pictures of the weapon used by the police so I don't know the calibre of the weapon used (I'll just refer to it as "short Barelled") 9mm rounds do not carry a great deal of energy. I doubt that they would be chambering low velocity ammunition; To ensure the best possible chance of neutralising a threat that might detonate concealed explosives with a short barrelled weapon will mean that you must be satisfied that sufficient energy to prevent self detonation is transfered to the target; ergo - you will need more than 1 round. My last paragraph is based upon a lot of assumptions - primarily though, you should be assured that the rules of engagement allow for an armed officer to engage provided he believes that there is risk to his or others' lives around him. Warnings do not need to be given if this would increase the risk of others getting killed or injured (i.e "Stop, Or I fire" which then causes a suspect to cause harm/injury/death to others) I don't profess to be an expert, but I know more than most others on the subject. So, unless you know what you're talking about I respectfully request that you belt up.
Hellraiza666	Posted - 2005.07.22 15:54:00 - [50] Also we might have the best police force (we as in britain) but what makes em crap is that if they shoot some 1 , they get done for it and can get taken to court em selves, they have next to no power, no wonder crime is on the up if the criminal gets defence, and police can't do **** to him. not to long ago some police officier got taken to court for hitting someone with his batton thingy. And a farmer got taken to court for shootin a thief in his house. -------------------------------------------- In War There Are No Runners Up... Image by Denrace

Admiral Pieg	Posted - 2005.07.22 16:00:00 - [51] Edited by: Admiral Pieg on 22/07/2005 16:00:17 Sounds like an execution to me. Disturbing and disgusting. ______________ Bringing some freakin color to the forum.
0seeker0	Posted - 2005.07.22 16:05:00 - [52] Edited by: 0seeker0 on 22/07/2005 16:05:04 Thanks for the interesting post Shirer. Do you know what the numbers 39 and 51 mean, are they the length of the bullet? Character "Widescreen" is a scammer; beware. Check my bio for a list of known scammers.
Solomon Cayne	Posted - 2005.07.22 16:32:00 - [53] Edited by: Solomon Cayne on 22/07/2005 16:33:22 Edited by: Solomon Cayne on 22/07/2005 16:32:06 Originally by: 0seeker0 Edited by: 0seeker0 on 22/07/2005 16:05:04 Thanks for the interesting post Shirer. Do you know what the numbers 39 and 51 mean, are they the length of the bullet? The overall cartridge length in millimeters. Edit: Horrible english On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
Basileus	Posted - 2005.07.22 16:44:00 - [54] Brilliant! A good terrorist is a dead one. Hope they get into the habit of shooting more of them.
Plim	Posted - 2005.07.22 16:44:00 - [55] Originally by: Vistilantus Edited by: Vistilantus on 22/07/2005 13:55:50 Originally by: Saladin I saw this on the bbc website: Quote: One of them was carrying a black handgun - it looked like an automatic - they pushed him to the floor, bundled on top of him and unloaded five shots into him. So they subdued him and shot him while he was down? Linkage I would take "eye-witness" statements with a pinch of salt, they are rarely accurate. People see what they want to see. The police in the uk would NEVER get away with restraining someone and shooting them UNLESS there is reason to believe there is a danger to life, two armed cops were nearly jailed for shooting someone that pointed "what appeared to be a shotgun" at them (the guy had a table leg wrapped up in a plastic bag then pointed it at police when told to stop) so don't believe anything untill there is an official statement released. :) Funny they never seemed to have any problems getting away with things such as giving kickings to pregnant members of the WRP in the middle of the street. -----------------
0seeker0	Posted - 2005.07.22 17:05:00 - [56] Edited by: 0seeker0 on 22/07/2005 17:04:56 Whats the WRP? Character "Widescreen" is a scammer; beware. Check my bio for a list of known scammers.
Jernau Gurgeh	Posted - 2005.07.22 17:21:00 - [57] Originally by: Hella May Could you shoot any one whilst running through a busy station and hit him 5 times in the head with five shots from a gun which weights more than a small child? No-one was running when the shots were fired There are 10 sorts of people in the world - those who understand binary, and those who do not.
Saladin	Posted - 2005.07.22 17:31:00 - [58] The reality we all know is that if they killed the right man, it will be hailed as a success, and the procedure followed will be deemed correct. If they get the wrong man, then it will be deemed a huge failure and the procedure changed. No one is willing to judge the actions of the police in absence of the outcome. The same applies to wars, if you win you are the great liberator, if you lose you are a war criminal.
Dirtball	Posted - 2005.07.22 17:46:00 - [59] there is no such thing a terrorist, because the questionably elected president said Mission Accomplished. --- I agree with everything Howard Dean says.
Jasmine Constantine	Posted - 2005.07.22 17:58:00 - [60] The witness account came from trained journalist and is likely entirely accurate. Rules of engagement for neutralising a potential suicide bomber mandates head shots (so as to minimise the chance of the bullets accidently detonating the explosive device around the suspects waist). Put yourself into the role of the detectives faced with a suspected suicide bomber who flees into an underground station and boards a train. Your job is to minimise the threat to civilians and you shoot to kill with headshots until the potential mass murderer stops moving. End of the story really. If I'd have been on that train I'd have given the officers a round of applause for a job well done in all likelihood. (then gone and bought a nice cup of tea) And like that chap said earlier ... if you are worried about being shot five times in the head by the metropolitan police then don't run down into a station and board a tube train when challenged by armed police. Its pretty much common sense I'd have said. "Every act of creation is first an act of destruction."



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