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Pallas Athene	Posted - 2005.07.23 02:51:00 - [1] N.A.G.A Freighter-On-Site-Production (FOSP) N.A.G.A offers its customers a very unique way to purchase one of those very special ships. Freighter production is a very long process and the logistical efforts and building requirements are immense. Those additional costs for logistics and the building time are pushing the price to the highest levels. In addition to our regular Freighter sales, N.A.G.A is allways looking for different options and new concepts to keep prices and comfort at an resonable level for its customers. Of course we could have made it simple and just do it the traditional way (BYOM) - this may work for Battleships, but in Freighter production it¦s not very practical and means a lot of work for customers. What we came up with is something similar to a BYOM deal, but without the logistical effort , without long hauling runs for our customers. We¦re going to build your new Freighter in your very own back yard ..... We call it : FOSP - Freighter On Site Production ■ All Freighter types to choose from ■ No mineral hauling ■ Free choice of building site ■ 0,0 Construcion is not a problem ■ Low mineral requirements - component BPOS researched to ME9 ■ Fast Production time - 3 days for components production ■ No pick up location ■ Price : 500 Mill. And here is how it works : The N.A.G.A FOSP-Team consisting of 2-3 producers will build the capital ship components and the Freighter at the station of your choice - ANYWHERE !! They will be using our ME9/PE3 researched component blueprints and your mineral supplies to build the components required. This will take 3 days. We will buy the minerals of course - for your piece of mind. After finishing the component construction , the Freighter construction will be initiated. After 12 Days your new Freighter will be ready for its maiden voyage - waiting for you in your own station ! Please post on this thread or send me a mail to discuss any questions you might have. Kind regards Pallas N.A.G.A Website I make you a Prince - promise
Raid	Posted - 2005.07.23 02:54:00 - [2] NICE!
Dao 2	Posted - 2005.07.23 03:01:00 - [3] omg wish i had the mins :( PLEZ MINING OP SPAWN NOW
Geldorf Drakar	Posted - 2005.07.23 03:09:00 - [4] are you telling me the total price is 500mill "Long live the Emperor" Opinions expressed above are mine and mine only
Vivus Mors	Posted - 2005.07.23 03:13:00 - [5] Originally by: Geldorf Drakar are you telling me the total price is 500mill the original post said they will use your minerals, so of course you have to provide all the necessary material, and they assemble it into the parts, and then the parts into the freighter. you're paying 500mil for the convenience and price control frankly, I think this is an ingenious way to do it. rather than paying someone else to do all the run-about work, you can cut out the middle man's "leg work" by doing it yourself, plus you get the ship basically where ever you want (I presume, he said even 0.0 wasn't a problem). I'm now curious myself, with the ME9 BPO's factored in, what is the material quantity costs of each freighter? ------------------------------------------------- For the price of one can of Quafe cola a day, you can adopt an Ewok... Please... think of the Ewoks...
Joe	Posted - 2005.07.23 03:21:00 - [6] I would like to be the first to take advantage of this offer, and request the construction of an Obelisk. Please contact me ingame asap so we can discuss the details further. Oberon Tech II Sales.
Sabahl	Posted - 2005.07.23 03:28:00 - [7] Edited by: Sabahl on 23/07/2005 03:29:31 Please sign me up for the Obelisk as well. Information on total mineral requirements required in advance, please.
Joe	Posted - 2005.07.23 03:31:00 - [8] also, Is NAGA planning to eventually provide a service like this, but with on site production of Dreadnoughts?
Pallas Athene	Posted - 2005.07.23 03:38:00 - [9] Originally by: Joe also, Is NAGA planning to eventually provide a service like this, but with on site production of Dreadnoughts? Yes, we¦re indeed planning to use the same ore a similar concept for Dreadnoughts as well. Oh, and your order is noted N.A.G.A Website I make you a Prince - promise
Alvara	Posted - 2005.07.23 03:40:00 - [10] Considering the person who I ordered a Obelisk has yet to get back to me, please put me on your queue.
Nullguide	Posted - 2005.07.23 05:35:00 - [11] NAGA 4TW! what else is new!?! keep it up guys!
Miz Cenuij	Posted - 2005.07.23 06:19:00 - [12] When you start building them, ill take a Minmitar Dreadnought pls. "Men are going to die.. and im going to kill them".
Vivus Mors	Posted - 2005.07.23 06:33:00 - [13] Edited by: Vivus Mors on 23/07/2005 06:33:15 Ok, I THINK, it all things being equal, this should be the mineral requirements we need to gather up for an OBELISK if as Pallas Athene all the capital ship component BPOÆs are at ME9 Tritanium: 102,907,684 Pyerite: 13,681,455 Mexallon: 5,095,039 Isogen: 739,700 Nocxium: 218,117 Zydrine: 34,185 Megacyte: 12,231 Now I wonÆt even begin to calculate ôcostö of that for anyone as while it may be XYZ value in one region, it could be much higher in the very next region over of course, so take your local figures I guess. Now, I make no claims that these figures are absolute, they are based on calculation which theoretically should be right, but as many may know, there are three types of ôliesö: lies, darn lies, and statisticsà So please only use these numbers as a ôjumping offö point until the greater community can confirm them. ------------------------------------------------- For the price of one can of Quafe cola a day, you can adopt an Ewok... Please... think of the Ewoks...
Embattle	Posted - 2005.07.23 06:44:00 - [14] I figure around 1.4bn in total.
Anubis XII	Posted - 2005.07.23 08:20:00 - [15] Edited by: Anubis XII on 23/07/2005 08:21:46
Anubis XII	Posted - 2005.07.23 08:23:00 - [16] Edited by: Anubis XII on 23/07/2005 08:23:43
Pallas Athene	Posted - 2005.07.23 08:25:00 - [17] I¦ve done some calculations before we¦ve put the component BPOs into the lab. I used the highest Tritanium price on the market at that time, to get huge amounts of it at a very central location and used the same method for all other minerals as well ( Jita and surrounding area - 3 jump radius). You can imagine that this is the worst case scenario. In this case, i valued speed over profitability. Total production cost : 980 Mill. @ ME0 I used the same method again a few days later with the component BPOs @ ME5 Total production cost : 880 Mill. @ ME5 I would think that, if you don¦t care too much about mineral prices you can easily build the components @ ME9 for an estimate of 850 Mill. if the prices don¦t change too much. That would be a total for the Obelisk of : 1,350 Bill. Considering that you won¦t have to think about low mineral prices in this worst case scenario, this is a very reasonable price. N.A.G.A Website I make you a Prince - promise
Mned Graydroggen	Posted - 2005.07.23 08:34:00 - [18] /bows to the great N.A.G.A production house Damn you guys are good
Stingray Mk2	Posted - 2005.07.23 10:03:00 - [19] Any plans for similar Dread production methods ? Nice ideea. Good Job !
Tas Devil	Posted - 2005.07.23 10:24:00 - [20] Edited by: Tas Devil on 23/07/2005 10:24:51 Good Luck N.A.G.A. on this project ...for once we shall be directly competing...which is a first I think... May I point out that your Obelisk construction costs are a little optimistic... Irrespective of mineral costs...and assuming that mineral prices are constant in your calculations... If your mineral cost was 980M at ME0 (which sounds about right) its quite hard to see how it would be 880M at ME5 (which is at best a 8.33% reduction)... even at ME9 we are talking of a 9% reduction... My point is only that setting expectations in our customers mind of mineral costs under 900M per freighter is dangerous... unless of course they fancy hauling 110M+ units of trit from the back water of the world ... All the best in this venture thought :)
Born Warrior	Posted - 2005.07.23 10:30:00 - [21] There is always some corp who sells things such as this for stupidly low prices meaning every1 else selling freighters loses out on profits.
Embattle	Posted - 2005.07.23 10:43:00 - [22] My heart bleeds for them....not
Tas Devil	Posted - 2005.07.23 11:20:00 - [23] Edited by: Tas Devil on 23/07/2005 11:20:24 Originally by: Born Warrior There is always some corp who sells things such as this for stupidly low prices meaning every1 else selling freighters loses out on profits. I do not wish to be associated with this remark... I trust N.A.G.A. to be wise enough to set their margins as they see fit... I feel your markup is appropriate ...its just setting too low expectations of initial mineral costs I am worried about... Some customers do not have access to a BPO to check min req... and rumours spread quickly about how much the min req are worth on a ship... Anything hinting at freighters having lower then 900M isk mineral requirement is misleading as it assumes that you are willing to get your trit from the backwaters of eve and haul it long distance...something absolutely impractical when you are talking 110M units of trit... or if you do it...there is a cost to spending the time required to haul it...
Pallas Athene	Posted - 2005.07.23 14:05:00 - [24] Edited by: Pallas Athene on 23/07/2005 14:05:02 Originally by: Tas Devil Edited by: Tas Devil on 23/07/2005 10:24:51 Good Luck N.A.G.A. on this project ...for once we shall be directly competing...which is a first I think... May I point out that your Obelisk construction costs are a little optimistic... Irrespective of mineral costs...and assuming that mineral prices are constant in your calculations... If your mineral cost was 980M at ME0 (which sounds about right) its quite hard to see how it would be 880M at ME5 (which is at best a 8.33% reduction)... even at ME9 we are talking of a 9% reduction... My point is only that setting expectations in our customers mind of mineral costs under 900M per freighter is dangerous... unless of course they fancy hauling 110M+ units of trit from the back water of the world ... All the best in this venture thought :) Thanks for the good luck wishes Tas , the same to you Well, about the production costs .... they¦re just an estimate. People were speculating and i did the same using prices i saw at that time on the market, that¦s all. I used 3isk for Trit. in this calculation, i don¦t think this is a backwater system price. I even used 150isk for isogen allthough you can get it in heimatar region in huge quantities for 130isk . But as i said - those figures are only estimates and not accurate. This wasn¦t ment to be an official price , and i hope everybody realizes that . N.A.G.A Website I make you a Prince - promise
Bertie	Posted - 2005.07.23 20:25:00 - [25] Edited by: Bertie on 23/07/2005 20:26:06 Nice idea indeed though of course you weren't the first as I'm sure you know... I agree with Joe the minerals costs are very optimistic, in fact with average Lonetrek mineral rates atm I calculate Obelisk build cost to be approx 1.25b with component BPO's at ME10. Bertie
Pallas Athene	Posted - 2005.07.24 03:32:00 - [26] Originally by: Bertie Edited by: Bertie on 23/07/2005 20:26:06 Nice idea indeed though of course you weren't the first as I'm sure you know... I agree with Joe the minerals costs are very optimistic, in fact with average Lonetrek mineral rates atm I calculate Obelisk build cost to be approx 1.25b with component BPO's at ME10. Bertie Well, i didn¦t know we were not the first having this idea, but it doesn¦t surprise me - allthough, does it make any difference ? We were thinking about it before the patch and if someone had the same thoughts then it¦s a sign of good thinking i would say. We don¦t claim to invent the wheel every time again when we start something new The mineral costs differ from market to market and i just can say it again - my calculation was an estimate based on market prices near niyabainen at the time i made it. We¦ll post the mineral requirements for the components tomorrow and people can check for themselves. And again , in my original post i have said nothing about construction cost , only about the fee we¦re charging for the service. The most interresting thing about this offer is that it provides a very high flexibility, and the customer can choose the building site which has a very big influence on production costs. So you can build your ship where ever you want to - depending on your on priorities. I was drawn into this "what could be the price" discussion and just posted my thoughts about it. I don¦t want to convince anybody of anything or draw a false picture. N.A.G.A Website I make you a Prince - promise
Riser	Posted - 2005.07.24 11:05:00 - [27] Edited by: Riser on 24/07/2005 11:05:34 Edited by: Riser on 24/07/2005 11:05:22 Do you do a cash price ? If so how much for a Obelisk & what is your time frame atm ? ------WE ARE HERE TO RIGHT THE WRONG'S OF THE GALAXY------
Macmuelli	Posted - 2005.07.24 11:52:00 - [28] Hi! i m interest in an obelisk ship plz contact me ingame or mail me interesting to know how long is the waiting time for an freighter yet.. greetings mac
Zinjan	Posted - 2005.07.24 16:41:00 - [29] Like to order a fenrir and an obelisk please. Thanks Naga
Vivus Mors	Posted - 2005.07.24 17:18:00 - [30] Not to bug you, but Pallas Athene, could you possibly confirm the total mineral requirements for an Obelisk? And/or confirm that your component BPOÆs are ME9 I believe you said? (just to cross-confirm that the figures are coming out right) I just want to iron out what numbers I need to acquire with some certainty. Tritanium: 102,907,684 Pyerite: 13,681,455 Mexallon: 5,095,039 Isogen: 739,700 Nocxium: 218,117 Zydrine: 34,185 Megacyte: 12,231 Is the above correct? ------------------------------------------------- For the price of one can of Quafe cola a day, you can adopt an Ewok... Please... think of the Ewoks...

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