Okay, so if you're on linux and you set turn off a specific setting for a specific file or if you're on win7 and have never needed to know when a file was created, accessed, or modified then it's possible to open a file without altering the metadata.

Fair enough. But I call those edge cases. Not something so common that you can interpret the terms of an EULA assuming those circumstances.

Once CCP declares the cache off limits, this behavior will get you banned. Use the API like you're supposed to.

-Liang

2008 forum post is from 2008.


Heck, that was back in the BoB days. Now goons are running everything...
(sorry I had to...)

I'm going to go with "so what if metadata is modified?", as there is no way to identify WHAT accessed it.

So you're saying you might have to actually write intelligent programs to manage your usage of the API? So you're saying you might have to manually update things or manually do some work like the majority of "unenhanced" Eve players?

Cry me a ******* river.

-Liang

So you're saying you might have to manually update things or manually do some work like the majority of "unenhanced" Eve players?

Cry me a ******* river.

Any esternal tool allowing to perform/replace in game actions is not allowed. I'ts clear, blunt and obvious.
Tricky arguing and qibbling is not going to fool anyone.

And, again, stop kidding please. Applications like EFT or EVEMON do not access your client cache, indeed they works also if EVE is not installed. hey only use the API keys. If they used the cache to popualte their internal ships and modules library is their problem, in case. But these tools do not improve/replace or automate in anyway EVE client performances or actions.

Don't be silly. EVEMON (as EFT) don't neither need to have the eve client installed. Everyone can try and verify this.

This would not fully stop cache sculpting, someone would probably find a way to obtain the encryption key. It would put people using the technique in the same box as people using bots, and i looking at user/client behavior it would probably not be hard to spot the people using it.

The result is the same, by reading the data of the wire you are also violation the EULA.

The EULA is pretty clear on that:

You may not reverse engineer, disassemble or decompile, or attempt to reverse engineer or derive source code from, all or any portion of the Software, or from any information accessible through the System (including, without limitation, data packets transmitted to and from the System over the Internet), or anything incorporated therein, or analyze, decipher, "sniff" or derive code (or attempt to do any of the foregoing) from any packet stream transmitted to or from the System, whether encrypted or not, or permit any third party to do any of the same, and you hereby expressly waive any legal rights you may have to do so. If the Software and/or the System contains license management technology, you may not circumvent or disable that technology.

It is not allowed.

It may be hard to see how they can enforce it, but please can we try to stay on topic.

The thread is about the in game legality of one or both of:

1) Using the in-game browser ShowMarketDetails() call to scroll through a set of items in the game
and
2) Reading the resulting EVE cache records using one the many libraries