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DurrHurrDurr
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.02.15 16:56:00 -
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Talking about the introduction of major new modules that would massively change the way tanking works in EVE is stupid in a thread about live event interaction. |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
864
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Posted - 2013.02.15 17:02:00 -
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that's where the conversation has led. what led us here was the observation that if the mission was to escort a VIP actor then the escorts had no reasonable means to improve the actor's survivability. The recommended fix for that is to not give us this kind of live event in future, please.
New module ideas are a fun discussion, but I'm inclined to agree that it should be its own topic in "features and ideas". (but would it kill you to be less gratingly unpleasant when pointing that out?)
An in-character blog and a video:
http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
1048
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Posted - 2013.02.15 17:05:00 -
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It even been mentioned thet they may be non gankable day before event - http://pastebin.com/PdcS0KEt
But it dosnt matter now  |
DurrHurrDurr
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
589
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Posted - 2013.02.15 18:35:00 -
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Stitcher wrote: (but would it kill you to be less gratingly unpleasant when pointing that out?)
Yes. Yes it would. |
Marlona Sky
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
3100
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Posted - 2013.02.15 22:46:00 -
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Goons set out to do something to the event to cause mass tears. They are just mad the tears were their own. 
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Sakura Nihil
Selective Pressure
Rote Kapelle
128
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Posted - 2013.02.15 22:49:00 -
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Think the answer lays somewhere between "unkillable" and "normal ship".
They're representatives of their tribes, tribes which do have enemies and thus need to take precautions. Just as heads of state and VIPs travel around the world in armored vehicles with escorts, I would think that a Tempest FI buffed up to maybe 300-500 kEHP would be beefy enough yet vulnerable, in case someone's realllly motivated to gank it.
You know, make people work for it, but make it possible. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
1609
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Posted - 2013.02.15 23:15:00 -
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Sakura Nihil wrote:Think the answer lays somewhere between "unkillable" and "normal ship".
They're representatives of their tribes, tribes which do have enemies and thus need to take precautions. Just as heads of state and VIPs travel around the world in armored vehicles with escorts, I would think that a Tempest FI buffed up to maybe 300-500 kEHP would be beefy enough yet vulnerable, in case someone's realllly motivated to gank it.
You know, make people work for it, but make it possible.
Sufficient ships were brought to to gank a 500kEHP target. And in any future event like this, that level of gankage can be expected to show up again. Every single time. Which means without CCP using Devhax of some sort, the outcome is already known. Its a cutscene.
http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
6768
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Posted - 2013.02.15 23:21:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Sufficient ships were brought to to gank a 500kEHP target. And in any future event like this, that level of gankage can be expected to show up again. Every single time. Which means without CCP using Devhax of some sort, the outcome is already known. Its a cutscene.
and those sufficient ships would have been hilariously easy to dodge by a remotely competent pilot
shame that "actors" and "competent pilots" are apparently two separate entities, so they resort to iddqd
~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~
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Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone
Caldari State
265
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Posted - 2013.02.16 01:37:00 -
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Shove off, no one cares your gank didn't work but you. QQ moar newbs, how the mighty have fallen. The goons I used to know would boot your ass just for crying on the forums like a child. Bad form, Peter.
But you apparently need a tissue today?
(or just a stress ball because you're so concerned?)
You all metagame all you want and flaunt and parade around whenever you found some way to break the game. And more power to you! I think it's hilarious and good for the game in the long run.
But don't cry. Don't come running to the forums crying with your not-so-carefully constructed arguments of how unfair it all is when you get meta'd back by the masters of the universe. We like your alliance when you think of new things and find new ways to jam the works, what is this 'we tried to wreck event and ccp trolled us so now we cry on forums' ?
Oh no wait... sorry, we should all be very concerned about the precedent this sets because blah blah cut scenes and goons won't want to come next time.
I liked the comment that CCP build a sandcastle around a rock and you cried because it hurt when you kicked it. Very apt.
Want to talk about not fair and setting precedent? How about the fact that repeatedly in eve carefully constructed events and arcs were trashed because some entitled douche thought it would be so cool to just **** on everything? All because ~sandbox~. Well, this is the yang to that ying.
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DurrHurrDurr
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
590
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Posted - 2013.02.16 02:03:00 -
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Pr1ncess Alia wrote: Well, this is the yang to that ying.
No it's not, CCP Falcon has directly said dev modules won't be used again and all the ships that died to CONCORD are being reimbursed. |
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Natalcya Katla
Naqam
Shaktipat Revelators
84
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Posted - 2013.02.16 04:14:00 -
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Why not simply have the NPCs use decoys? They are wartime leaders in a very dangerous universe. If they absolutely have to make public announcements on where, how and when they will be traveling (baffling in itself), why should they be honest about it? If would-be assassins suicide gank a ship presumably carrying say, a Tribal delegate, only to find that the delegate in question actually left an hour earlier aboard an unassuming little frigate and is already safely arrived at his or her destination, that makes sense to me.
Of course, in the interest of keeping things fair, that also means that if somebody - either through skillful intelligence work or simple happenstance does blow up said unassuming little frig, they should be credited with the assassination. In fact, if secret information regarding the actual travel schedule happens to be leaked or lost somehow, that could lead to a behind-the-scenes event arc all of its own.
An example of how this might work: Sometime before an event, an actor playing the role of a diplomatic aide of some sort takes a discreet and round-about route through low-sec on his way to a meeting where the upcoming event is going to be a topic of discussion. In his cargo hold is documents with sensitive information about the VIP's plans. If this delegate runs afoul of death along the way, suddenly whoever took him down and looted his ship have their hands on some golden information. They can either use it to stage their own ambush or broker the information to someone who would have an interest in doing so, all the while being careful to keep it out of the public spotlight (let's say if some pilot or other discovers this and alerts the appropriate NPC faction liaison or smears it out across the IGS, the opportunity is lost).
It would require a bit extra work on the actors, but hopefully not a whole ton of it. Much of it would be player driven. And in my opinion, if somebody did manage to get their hands on the secret info and use it to pull off a successful assassination, it would make for a cooler story and shinier bragging rights than 40 ships suicide ganking a predictably exposed target. |
Pr1ncess Alia
Perkone
Caldari State
265
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Posted - 2013.02.16 05:48:00 -
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DurrHurrDurr wrote:Pr1ncess Alia wrote: Well, this is the yang to that ying.
No it's not, CCP Falcon has directly said dev modules won't be used again and all the ships that died to CONCORD are being reimbursed.
How does that refute what I said?
He told you they did it on purpose and that you shouldn't expect to be able to impact events in the way you assume you should be able to. Yes, he also says next time they won't do exactly what they did this time, but he also tells you they have no plans to make these things pinata's for gank squads guaranteeing awesome loot and that they aren't going to tolerate deliberate sabotage of a community event just for ***** and giggles.
Those last two points are basically what events have boiled down to in the past.. and given the choice between that and no events we are going to be left with no events.
He may not have wanted to do it this specific way, but it doesn't change his stated goal is to have events that people will like that will amount to more than what one gang expected in this event. To assume otherwise shows nothing but disregard for the rest of the community that would like to see RP events and involvement beyond "show up at xx:xxGMT and F1-F8"... which is this guy's entire job.
I think you're incorrectly interpreting a friendly peace offering from CCP and a "we'll do better next time" as a mea culpa or retraction from his first post.
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Styx Sertan
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.02.16 12:56:00 -
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RIP to all the good posts that got Blapped by moderation. I'm glad this thing is still going strong at 16 pages. Justice will be served. |
DurrHurrDurr
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
590
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Posted - 2013.02.16 14:09:00 -
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Styx Sertan wrote:RIP to all the good posts that got Blapped by moderation. I'm glad this thing is still going strong at 16 pages. Justice will be served.
I don't think CCP Falcon liked being called a coward :< |
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CCP Falcon
2349
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Posted - 2013.02.16 15:20:00 -
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DurrHurrDurr wrote:Styx Sertan wrote:RIP to all the good posts that got Blapped by moderation. I'm glad this thing is still going strong at 16 pages. Justice will be served. I don't think CCP Falcon liked being called a coward :<
Sorry to disappoint you mate, but I don't rise to being baited. Thick skin and all that.
I didn't even see anyone apparently call me that, but whatevs, we have other people who moderate the forums who must have taken care of it.
Water off a ducks' back, gf and all that o7.
DurrHurrDurr wrote:No it's not, CCP Falcon has directly said dev modules won't be used again and all the ships that died to CONCORD are being reimbursed.
In terms of the reimbursement, that's the call of the GM Team, not the Dev Team, and is done in line with their policies. Two completely separate ball games there.
With regards to the non-standard modules, they were approved for use by the required people, were used as intended and were used to achieve an objective.
We're aware of feedback now, and have elected not to use them in future. In the same respect, if we do give notice that there's going to be an event several days in advance, in future we'll make sure that we design events appropriately.
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Sakura Nihil
Selective Pressure
Rote Kapelle
130
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Posted - 2013.02.16 16:25:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:DurrHurrDurr wrote:Styx Sertan wrote:RIP to all the good posts that got Blapped by moderation. I'm glad this thing is still going strong at 16 pages. Justice will be served. I don't think CCP Falcon liked being called a coward :< Sorry to disappoint you mate, but I don't rise to being baited. Thick skin and all that. I didn't even see anyone apparently call me that, but whatevs, we have other people who moderate the forums who must have taken care of it. Water off a ducks' back, gf and all that o7. DurrHurrDurr wrote:No it's not, CCP Falcon has directly said dev modules won't be used again and all the ships that died to CONCORD are being reimbursed. In terms of the reimbursement, that's the call of the GM Team, not the Dev Team, and is done in line with their policies. Two completely separate ball games there. With regards to the non-standard modules, they were approved for use by the required people, were used as intended and were used to achieve an objective. We're aware of feedback now, and have elected not to use them in future. In the same respect, if we do give notice that there's going to be an event several days in advance, in future we'll make sure that we design events appropriately.
Falcon, you're responding seriously to someone named 'DurrHurrDurr'.
M8. |
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CCP Falcon
2351
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Posted - 2013.02.16 16:29:00 -
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Sakura Nihil wrote:Falcon, you're responding seriously to someone named 'DurrHurrDurr'.
M8.
His name or who he's affiliated with aren't my concern, if people have valid and sensible questions they'll be answered. 
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Alizabeth Vea
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
238
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Posted - 2013.02.16 17:31:00 -
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This right here, that's enough cause for me to want to ruin every live event that is ever run. No other justification will ever be needed.
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Sakura Nihil
Selective Pressure
Rote Kapelle
130
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Posted - 2013.02.16 18:05:00 -
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Alizabeth Vea wrote:This right here, that's enough cause for me to want to ruin every live event that is ever run. No other justification will ever be needed.
Op success. |
Isbariya
The Dancer.
Initiative Mercenaries
27
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Posted - 2013.02.16 18:14:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:
We're aware of feedback now, and have elected not to use them in future. In the same respect, if we do give notice that there's going to be an event several days in advance, in future we'll make sure that we design events appropriately.
You may use them as much as you like, just don't take them away from us after we looted you. |
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0racle
Galactic Rangers
R O G U E
10
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Posted - 2013.02.16 22:16:00 -
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Alizabeth Vea wrote:This right here, that's enough cause for me to want to ruin every live event that is ever run. No other justification will ever be needed.
Goons getting trolled hard by a dev in charge of roleplaying. Oh god my sides. |
General Nusense
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
38
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Posted - 2013.02.16 22:34:00 -
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thank you CCP for all the goon tears in this thread.
whaaa whaaa we couldnt kill them
whaaa whaa we were RPing
WHAAA WHAA WHAAA WHAAA WHAAA
please continue.
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General Nusense
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
38
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Posted - 2013.02.16 22:35:00 -
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DurrHurrDurr wrote:Styx Sertan wrote:RIP to all the good posts that got Blapped by moderation. I'm glad this thing is still going strong at 16 pages. Justice will be served. I don't think CCP Falcon liked being called a coward :<
you are your alliance TEST, know about cowardliness.
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AtreusIII
Demon-War-Lords
Fatal Ascension
0
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Posted - 2013.02.16 22:50:00 -
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General Nusense wrote:DurrHurrDurr wrote:Styx Sertan wrote:RIP to all the good posts that got Blapped by moderation. I'm glad this thing is still going strong at 16 pages. Justice will be served. I don't think CCP Falcon liked being called a coward :< you are your alliance TEST, know about cowardliness.
nusense.....in the words of ron burgundy.....that doesn't make sense. -.- lol back to grammar school?
One of the few space rednecks. Your welcome! |
Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
2054
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Posted - 2013.02.17 13:17:00 -
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Alizabeth Vea wrote:This right here, that's enough cause for me to want to ruin every live event that is ever run. No other justification will ever be needed.
My god, you're so bitter I could use you to flavour the stir-fry I make on Thursdays.
Mane 614
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EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
750
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Posted - 2013.02.17 16:31:00 -
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General Nusense wrote:DurrHurrDurr wrote:Styx Sertan wrote:RIP to all the good posts that got Blapped by moderation. I'm glad this thing is still going strong at 16 pages. Justice will be served. I don't think CCP Falcon liked being called a coward :< you are your alliance TEST, know about cowardliness.
General Nusense
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Grarr Dexx
Snuff Box
32
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Posted - 2013.02.18 00:55:00 -
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Oh goonies, so much butthurt. |
Raze Zindonas
Asgard.
Exodus.
31
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Posted - 2013.02.18 14:02:00 -
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Goon tears, best tears. |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
1302
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Posted - 2013.02.18 16:48:00 -
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I'm a little shocked that Andski bothered posting in this thread, I had a higher opinion of you bro.
Heres a little helpful information, the Devs ALWAYS have used special things in live events. When we fought (and killed) their fleets in a 3 hour battle last year they had 20 implants in clones we killed (the second 10 implants being very impressive hardware that made them hard as hell to kill).
Its just a thing you have to expect to deal with encountering dev fleets, ships that take the sustained fire of 150 rokhs but still manage to die eventually, and the unfortunate part is that this time they were in High Sec, where you couldn't bring as much force to bear.
This thread reads like you set up your day to ruin the role players fun, then didn't count on the extra add ons that all the live actors have in these events, got slaughtered because in high sec you have one chance to get it right, and now are angry posting about it.
Next time you'll prep better and have more ships on hand than the few you had knowing that your target will have the standard issue Dev gear that they nearly ALWAYS (and by nearly I mean I've never seen one without it) have.
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Gosakumori Noh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
98
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Posted - 2013.02.19 01:43:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Next time you'll prep better and have more ships on hand than the few you had knowing that your target will have the standard issue Dev gear that they nearly ALWAYS (and by nearly I mean I've never seen one without it) have.
I hope that there is a next time, even if it means getting blown up, and that this thread does not instead convince the development team live events are not worth the trouble.
I have to believe that assertion comes up "now and then" in product planning meetings.
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