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Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
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Posted - 2013.02.15 00:13:00 -
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If you look at my earlier post about the math of using 425 mm rail guns on a dual web Vindicator to shoot at frigs you will see that yes, dual 90% webs murder frigs up close. |

Pen Dulum
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.15 00:22:00 -
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Yeah sorry i started re'reading it after i posted.
Thanks for all the info pal. |

Pen Dulum
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.15 00:42:00 -
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Never used a offgrid booster. What links would it use ? Or what would you use ? |

Tauranon
Weeesearch
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Posted - 2013.02.15 01:39:00 -
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Pen Dulum wrote:Never used a offgrid booster. What links would it use ? Or what would you use ?
Skirmish warfare link - Interdiction maneuvers, and associated skills.
However I would not place an account in an OGB myself, I'd just bring it in a dominix and assign drones to assist me so that I didn't have to alt-tab and target on the slave. Drone loss won't be an issue with up to 2k dps available.
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Dax Jr
Ivory Research LLC
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Posted - 2013.02.15 04:25:00 -
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Pen Dulum wrote:So a dual web will work on hitting frigs np ? no matter how close ?
But losing tracking speed wont that hurt the rails//kronos ?
Read my first post in this thread. Two tracking computers will give you the flexibility of range control. Increased chance of higher quality hits is another reason. Refer to the turret damage entry in EVElopedia.
Again, I emphasize finding the configuration that is works for you. Many mission runners will run with one or more alts. The best pilot I know of flies without local reps; he clears and salvages top tier missions under twenty minutes. There is less incentive to use two webs when you have ten Hobgoblin IIs and other e-war at your disposal. Twitter Blog |

hmskrecik
TransMine Group German Information Network Alliance
63
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Posted - 2013.02.15 14:02:00 -
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Just skimmed over the flames and wanted to add my two cents.
First, two tracking computers and two scripts of each kind are a must. Those TC scripted for tracking and Javelin ammo usually help. There were advices to use web, be it vanilla or fed navy. Personally I don't find it that much useful. I prefer omni tracking link instead and in case there are still frigs orbiting under my guns I try manually flying my ship to reduce angular speed as much as I can. Believe me or not, after a while I scrore a hit or two. The rest is up to drones and Kronos' bay has enough space to keep some spares.
I saw someone mentioning blasters. There is a common perception that their force projection makes them unsuitable for missions. Well, quite recently I've been exprimenting with blasters + MWD combo (plus some cap support) and I can say that results are quite comparable to that of rails, though depending on exact mission and they are much more demanding to handle. |

Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
842
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Posted - 2013.02.15 14:16:00 -
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Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:Lets apply some math here ok? Lets take the example of the Arch Gistii Hunter: Signature Radius: 35 m Orbit Velocity: 225.0 m/s Orbit Range: 2,000 m And a 425mm Railgun II on a Vindicator with perfect skills and one T2 tracking computer scripted for tracking speed: Tracking speed: 0.02258 rad/s Signature resolution: 400 m Now assuming that the Vindicator is stationary and that the Arch Gistii Hunter is happily orbiting at its preferred orbit speed and distance we need to find its angular velocity. The formula for this is velocity=2*pi*radius*angular velocity. So: 225=2*3.14159*2000*a Which works out to a=0.0179049462214993. Now the gun has a signature resolution of 400 m and the Arch Gistii Hunter has a signature radius of 35 m. 400 / 35 = 11.44647637479293 which is applied as a multiplier to the Arch Gistii Hunters' angular velocity to determine its effective angular velocity when the 425mm railgun shoots at it. This gives us an effective angular velocity of 0.2046279568171349, far above the 0.02258 tracking speed of the rail gun. So all the shots miss. Now what if the Vindicator applies two 90% webs to the Arch Gistii Hunter? That cuts the speed of the frigate to about 6 m/s. And gives us a new angular velocity defined as: 6=2*3.14159*2000*a Which works out to a=0.00047746523. Multiplied by our 11.44647637479293 angular velocity modifier we get an effective angular velocity of 0.0054567454857143 which is well below our rail gun's 0.02258 tracking speed and the frig dies in one volly. If the Vindicator is only using one 90% web we get an effective angular velocity of 0.020494854391633 which is just below the tracking speed of our 425mm rail gun. So the frig still dies. But only because the tracking computer is scripted for tracking speed. TL DR; Dax Jr wrote:90% web strength is extremely powerful This. thank you for going the extra mile to shut the idiot up. i was almost nerdraging enough to do it myself, now i don't have to.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |

sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
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Posted - 2013.02.15 20:57:00 -
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Alright, I'm not going to keep arguing with the forum trolls. If noobs want to fit dual webs instead of tcs, that's their choice. 2 things to keep in mind: You may find Vindi locking range wanting. It takes time for frig rats to slow down, if you miss, it just means you have to wait longer.
If you want to go that route, go ahead. It's not as if longer completion times and lower isk faucet is bad for Eve. Fly safe. Standings Improvement Service https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454 |

Pen Dulum
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.16 09:24:00 -
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Ok so I tried last night with 1web, still couldn't hit any frigs. Fitted 2nd web and if I wait a few seconds for the webs to kick in then I 1shot frigs no problem.
Now whether to decide to upgrade the t2 webs to faction//ded//officer. |

Kara Books
Deal with IT.
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Posted - 2013.02.16 17:32:00 -
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even a small remote armor rep in a utility high slot reping one of your drones will make NPC's hate on your ship hull instead of the drones. |

Avocado Jr
Fleischtheke
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Posted - 2013.03.18 14:33:00 -
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High!
I'm flying L4s in my Kronos for about 2 Month now(no EFT blah-¦).
You should really try a Blaster-Fitting, its much more fun than using Rails. They shoot faster and can be brought to decent a range.
I'm using 2 TC (1x range, 1 x unscripted) and Null Ammo:
15/41 optimal/falloff (13/34 with one TC tracking the other unscripted)
-> 957 dmg (w/o drones)
Frigs that survive the approach are close enough to let the drones(Hobgoblin II) handle them and retreat in time if necessary. If BS get near switch to Antimatter and change one script to tracking if you like, I'm too lazy for that :)
ps: try a heavy-NOS, who needs 3 TB? |

hmskrecik
TransMine Group German Information Network Alliance
63
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Posted - 2013.03.18 15:16:00 -
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Avocado Jr wrote: ps: try a heavy-NOS, who needs 3 TB?
I tried in my early days of piloting Kronny. And my experience is that if you're concerned with cap, spend this power grid on cap booster. It's much more reliable and predictable. |

Avocado Jr
Fleischtheke
0
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Posted - 2013.03.18 17:47:00 -
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Grid is of no concern, I fitted NOS and a Cap Booster.
Why "waste" all 3 utility high slots on TBs if you can have a nice effect to keep you awake and busy while grinding ? It's not a must-have by any means. |

TheChampagne Supernova
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.03.18 19:51:00 -
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I use a fed navy web, tracking computer, heavy cap booster AND a faction ab for the mids.
Basically this provides decent range control, but as has been mentioned before, you should generally blap frigs before they make it to orbit range.
Your general posting seems to suggest that your main problem isn't the ship, but you lacking knowledge of how to employ the advantages of the Kronos (and to some extend drones). |

Avocado Jr
Fleischtheke
0
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Posted - 2013.03.18 22:29:00 -
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TheChampagne Supernova wrote:I use a fed navy web, tracking computer, heavy cap booster AND a faction ab for the mids.
Basically this provides decent range control, but as has been mentioned before, you should generally blap frigs before they make it to orbit range.
Do you use Rails or Blasters? Can you really put some distance between you and a frig? Even fully skilled the Kronos is not very fast imo(Faction AB fitted, too). Also another TC increases damage projection against ALL targets, a web can only be used on one target every few seconds.
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hmskrecik
TransMine Group German Information Network Alliance
63
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Posted - 2013.03.19 12:44:00 -
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Avocado Jr wrote:Grid is of no concern, I fitted NOS and a Cap Booster.
Why "waste" all 3 utility high slots on TBs if you can have a nice effect to keep you awake and busy while grinding ? It's not a must-have by any means. We are approaching personal preferences zone...
That said, I don't waste 3 ups with 3 TBs. Usually I fit one drone link, one TB, and depending on mood: salvager or remote rep for drones.
The grid will be concern when you switch to MWD, which in my opinion and experience is better complement to blasters. And incidentally the MWD, with its requirement of extra careful cap management, should keep you awake even more. ;) |
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