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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.07.24 17:11:00 -
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Why? THEY BLOW.
Here's how to fix it: make the Raptor, the Caldari answer to the Stiletto. Undergunned (3 highslots, 2 turret 2 missile or something), but with four midslots, some kind of electronic warfare capacitor use bonus, and 3 lows. If you feel this is excessive, make the Raptor pay for it by taking away some armor or something. Otherwise, besides weirdos, no-one will fly Raptors.
I want to have a reason to train for Caldari interceptors, I really do :\
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Grimwalius d'Antan
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Posted - 2005.07.24 17:24:00 -
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I suppose there must be an Ares for every race...
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.07.24 17:40:00 -
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The ares sucks exactly as bad as the raptor, so boost it too.
 Originally by: Sochin
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Syrec
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Posted - 2005.07.24 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: Grimwalius d'Antan
I suppose there must be an Ares for every race...
haha, quoted for truth. I love my ares though. I use it when I run out of shuttles to fly.
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Arimas Talasko
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Posted - 2005.07.24 18:02:00 -
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The ares is really ugly though
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Darmed Khan
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Posted - 2005.07.24 18:03:00 -
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Quote:
some kind of electronic warfare capacitor use bonus
Stiletto doesn't get one of those, what makes you think the Raptor should? ;)
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.07.24 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: A Minmatar
Stiletto doesn't get one of those, what makes you think the Raptor should? ;)
Because it's Caldari. See, the Caldari don't build their ships out of transistor radios and weathervanes.
Besides, it's slower than a Stiletto, that should counterbalance it a little. Slower, just as fragile, and able to support a bit more EW.
The Ares, yeah, definitely needs something to make it unique. How about giving it a bit of drone power? Five lights or something would do the trick. Every Ares I fight, I break over my knee, like-a so. Five light drones would give it some fun extra punch against other inties.
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2005.07.24 18:14:00 -
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I concur.
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2005.07.24 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Why? THEY BLOW.
Here's how to fix it: make the Raptor, the Caldari answer to the Stiletto. Undergunned (3 highslots, 2 turret 2 missile or something), but with four midslots, some kind of electronic warfare capacitor use bonus, and 3 lows. If you feel this is excessive, make the Raptor pay for it by taking away some armor or something. Otherwise, besides weirdos, no-one will fly Raptors.
I want to have a reason to train for Caldari interceptors, I really do :\
I support this!
As for the Ares I suggest to make it the answer to... well... just add one more high slot and turret hard point and increase it's PG and CPU by 10. The reason for it having more slots than the avarage ceptor is that it's damage output is bastardized.
Seriously, it can't tackle and ceptors can't tank. Why not make it truely a fast attack ship!
Originally by: Arimas Talasko
The ares is really ugly though
The only reason I fly Ares is because I like it's looks. Maybe it's cause I prenumerate Nafri's Pink Ship Magazine¡Ö.
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Jane Vladmir
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Posted - 2005.07.24 20:33:00 -
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The ares is the best tackler ingame against non-stab users tbh
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Burnhard Brutor
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Posted - 2005.07.24 20:59:00 -
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I got a Raptor and yes, it does blow. Much prefer my crow but according to some, that blows too!
Lets face it, I like ships that blow. 
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Linavin
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Posted - 2005.07.24 20:59:00 -
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Bah, all non damage inties need a speed boost among other things, especally the raptor.
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Amon Evakrace
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Posted - 2005.07.24 22:26:00 -
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the poor raptor huh, ccp should of saved that cool ship nick for a cool ship tbh.
the ship is slow, ugly and useless, so completely transforming it into a stilleto style ship would be a boost to the games interceptor library, other than having it purely as dead weight.
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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.07.24 22:32:00 -
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Raptor with 3 turret hardpoints and nothing else?
I buy it.
Like I'd buy full turret Caldari ships anyday.
Bah, maybe training Amarr is the answer, can't be arsed though... to many things to train...
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ELECTR0FREAK
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Posted - 2005.07.24 22:41:00 -
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Only worthwhile Raptor setup I've found is one with light neutrons, rocket launchers, a webber and some nanos.
Your only chance is to catch up to the target (not easy since its a rather slow Inty in the first place), web it, and flail at it with your blasters and rockets in the desperate hope that your enemy is slow on activating his webber, and doesn't have a set of blasters himself.
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ELECTR0FREAK
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Posted - 2005.07.24 23:20:00 -
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Sorry to double post but I have an interesting idea... why not make all low-level interceptors simply slightly faster than their counterparts. They may still have crappy fittings and sub-par damage output, but they'd have the speed to catch up to other interceptors better, and be slightly better defensively.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.07.24 23:35:00 -
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Well, to answer that proposal, put a Nanofiber on a Raptor.
Did that make you want to fly it any more? 
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ELECTR0FREAK
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Posted - 2005.07.24 23:41:00 -
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Well of course. My Raptor has 2 nanos fitted. But if it had a higher base speed than the Crow, those nanos would do all the more
At the very least, it means I could run away from other Interceptors really well
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Spuki
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Posted - 2005.07.25 00:25:00 -
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Yes, a third turret slot, a litte bit of speed or some more powergrid, to become able to fit standard launchers again, would make the raptor a usefull ship again. It sucks to be forced to use rocket launchers on a ship with range bonus.
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Cycerin Strikebeam
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Posted - 2005.07.25 00:26:00 -
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Screw the Ares. Devs, make a new inty for Gallente, fresh from the CreoDron drawing boards.
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Balistic Void
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Posted - 2005.07.25 00:39:00 -
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I fly a Raptor, great for doing the shopping with :) Also not bad in a fight...
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NateX
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Posted - 2005.07.25 01:28:00 -
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Originally by: Balistic Void
I fly a Raptor, great for doing the shopping with :) Also not bad in a fight...
yeah, i use mine alot! :) for shopping .. with 3xexpander 
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Weirda
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Posted - 2005.07.25 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: Burnhard Brutor
I got a Raptor and yes, it does blow. Much prefer my crow but according to some, that blows too!
Lets face it, I like ships that blow.
Same here! 
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Tricore
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Posted - 2005.07.25 01:45:00 -
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As someone suggested, give the 'sucky' inty's (stiletto, raptor, ares, malediction) a tackling bonus. Either allow them to use a new warp scrambler (20km range, 4 strength) or give them a static 100%-200% bonus to warp scrambler strength.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.07.25 03:12:00 -
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"I fly a Raptor, great for doing the shopping with :)"
Crow has the same cargo space, same number of low slots but is faster and weights less... even as shopping bag Raptor < Crow ;.;
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kessah
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Posted - 2005.07.25 03:43:00 -
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I must agree my raptor seriously lacks grid and i find my malediction can do the job better. Its incredible difficult to fit a small repper on it or a dual nos dual ions\125's. in which my malediction can do comfortable using only one low slot with a MUX.
This of course is but one set-up, and again due to the missle patch i dare not fit standards to ceptors, It certainly requires either more grid or a different turret\missle hardpoint layout. Im not entirly sure what should be dont to it but something does need to be done.
Its not like you can rely on the crow now since that now it pizz poor.
Only reason for caldari frig 5 now is the harpy and in all fairness id rather my enyo. Totally regret wasting 9days to train caldari frig to 5.
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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.07.25 05:05:00 -
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I'm all for interceptors with tackling bonus, even without any single high slot.
But people would moan and whine because, you know, you'd not be on the killmail 
Making low end interceptors pure tackler is one of the best ideas I read here in a while though.
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TIvian
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Posted - 2005.07.25 05:20:00 -
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I find it funny how I can take any ship that I can fly such as the Raptor and make it work well.
I lasted 1:30 sec against a Frigate killing Maller, and in that time I had the Maller into armor and structure till his lucky shot.
And I loved flying 1 v 1 against other Inti's and frig pilots and made them with draw.
So yeah keep on talking about something you know nothing about.
The Raptor sucks YEAH RIGHT!
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Slithereen
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Posted - 2005.07.25 06:43:00 -
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I think it was four on the high, two turrets and two launchers. The pathetic grid wasn't helped with the launcher grid increase. Between the lesser interceptors, I would put the Malediction first, Ares second, the Stilleto and Raptor fighting for third and last places.
I did train up for Caldari frigate 5, and despite the grid increases, the new patch with all the new missile skills have I would gladly say, improved my Crow a lot. And it kind of helped my lackluster Hawk too. The small missiles truly benefited with increase velocities, ranges (wow I can hit 30km) and rate of fire (now I can missile spam like nuts). But the point remains you now need to train the four or five new missile skills, along with the advanced weapons upgrades to get the full potential of your Caldari elite frig, not to mention the specialization on small rails.
I must add that all the new skills have spillover effects that also benefited the Ares, Malediction and the Minmatar interceptors. Do take note of the so called Kinetic, Thermal and EMP damage bonuses of the Crow, Ares, and Malediction, as I often get hits for damage as much as 138, delivering it much faster and at higher ROF than ever before. And you can deliver that damage consistently without sig effects against frigates, since we're dealing of small missiles here.
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Sobeseki Pawi
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Posted - 2005.07.25 07:16:00 -
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I think the Battleceptors and Tackleceptors should be more obvious.
Take for example the Claw and the Stiletto. The Claw is clearly the more battleminded of the two and the Stiletto is clearly the more tackleminded of the two.
I think the tackler ceptors should be lighter, maybe even less than 1 mil kg? They should also get speed bonuses, much the same way the Rifter for example does. And they should all be more speed/utility rather than dmg. Give all of em 4 mids if needed 
The battle ceptors are all well used (Crusader's issue is more its weapon fittings than anything else), but this would help invigorate the 'tackle' ceptors.
If nothing else, a Thrasher will go 'ROFLceptor' before blowing one up.
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