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Posted - 2013.02.14 20:06:00 -
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Sariah Kion wrote:So, in other words, you dont like people playing in the sandbox differently that you.
There is a self entitled group in Eve, no doubt about that. Who that group is is very clear. I presume you are referring to the group who demand game mechanic changes that grant them immunity from everyone else in the sandbox. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |

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Posted - 2013.02.14 20:23:00 -
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Sariah Kion wrote:So we should just get rid of high sec then. False dichotomy.
Sariah Kion wrote:There is non consensual pvp in over 70% of the game. If folks are all about the pvp why are they not flocking to these areas to engage in pvp, after all, thats why everyone is here, right? This isn't even a non-sequiter, because it doesn't even form a coherent statement. Do you even understand what the words 'non consensual' mean? [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |

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Posted - 2013.02.14 20:33:00 -
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Sariah Kion wrote:The false dichotomy is the argument that either you are only a pvper or only a carebear. Thats a conveineint line drawn in the sand by a certain vocal group. I presume you are referring to the group who demand game mechanic changes that grant them immunity from "pvpers".
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Posted - 2013.02.14 20:44:00 -
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Sariah Kion wrote:the reality as high sec has been slowly morphed into what it is today and correlating that with the steady rise in subscriptions and where that population growth resides in the galaxy. The long term numbers say all that needs to be said. And a lack of pirates is causing global warming. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |

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Posted - 2013.02.14 20:54:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:****, I'll get back to low-sec ASAP...
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Posted - 2013.02.14 23:17:00 -
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Corey Fumimasa wrote:Then why has the game consistently moved towards safer and easier? Because myths hold great power over the human mind.
And carebears are the whiniest motherfuckers on the planet. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |

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Posted - 2013.02.15 03:36:00 -
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Lord Ovuld Feish wrote:I will be the first person to log onto a "Trammel" Eve.
If I understood your OP correctly, Trammel was more populated than the original. So players DIDN'T WANT RISK. Well obviously some did because some of them left UO and invented a little thing called EVE Online.
And now you are saying they themselves should do exactly the same thing to EVE? UO wasn't enough? The countless mindless MMORPGs that have followed aren't enough? EVE has to be dragged down too?
This is the fundamental problem with you 'carebear types' - you want every game to suit you. Whereas the 'ganker types' want only one game for themselves - the game that was originally intended for them. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |

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Posted - 2013.02.15 04:01:00 -
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Sariah Kion wrote:This is where most of you fall off the logic train.
CCP is not making decisions based off of "carebears crying in high sec" they base them of market data,polling, internal demographics all which point them in a development direction that helps them maintain and grow their revenue streams as a business. The MMORPG industry has shown that the single most profitable thing you can do is cater to the braindead carebear demographic. Listening to the 'carebears crying in highsec' and following the money are one and the same.
Well, at least if you ignore experiences with past expansions which suggest that the people who play EVE to play EVE outnumber those who play EVE to play WoW in Space. I mean, judging by the reaction to Incarna, one might almost suspect that there is actually a significant number of subscribers who like EVE as EVE, and would leave if it started to abandon it's original principles too much. Since, you know, exactly that happened.
Sariah Kion wrote:Things change. This cycle and argument happens in ALL MMO's on the market. You know what else happens to all MMO's on the market? Rapid decline. EVE is one of the few exceptions, so perhaps following the examples of all the failures is not the best plan?
Sariah Kion wrote:If they game has grown steadily, and your arguments about the decline of the game because of the steady change to high sec are to be true then on the surface it seems like YOUR ideas and agenda are not necessarily in line with whats best for the growth of the game. Go figure eh? Again, pirates and global warming.
What is known is that carebear expansions or expansions designed to pull in a new demographic have the potential to lose the game money due to alienating the existing playerbase. Vague handwaving about how the game isn't dead yet therefore it must be doing everything right doesn't stand up against that.
Not to mention, maximising short term growth isn't the objective of anyone with half a brain. All those MMORPGs that rise up every year and burn out within the year? They're chasing the money. And it must work, because people keep doing it. CCP could go in that direction at any time, but they don't. Nobody, not even CCP, is as interested in dragging in new players at the game's expense as you seem to be.
Sariah Kion wrote:*****Irony detected**** Riveting tale, chap. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |

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Posted - 2013.02.15 04:18:00 -
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Lord Ovuld Feish wrote:Dear God, the sheer amount of irony in this post is baffling!
So I'm not allowed to want the game to suit me, but it's perfectly fine to want the game to suit you?
Lick my nuts. Hypocrisy is the word you are looking for. If you are going to mischaracterize my post, at least use the right word.
But, of course, there is nothing hypocritical (or ironic) about it, because nobody is justified in expecting a game aimed at other people to change to suit them, myself included.
To say otherwise is to say that you actually do expect every game made to cater to you. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |

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Posted - 2013.02.15 04:38:00 -
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Sariah Kion wrote:Its CCP's game. They changed things because they feel its best for the game not because some bear cried on the forums. Are those bears not targeted by CCP then by your very own words shouldnt they have their playstyle, at the very least, kept at level that they were at when they started playing? Fortunately there is now a one word answer to any implication that CCP has the absolute and final word on what is best for the game: Incarna. As for not listening to whines, I guess that it's just through coincidence that they keep answering them then?
With regard to the carebear playstyle, if you mean putting it back to the level it was at in the past (and then hopefully moving focus on to fixing lowsec/0.0), sure, why not? I wouldn't seriously advocate for the removal of highsec or something extreme like that because, as you say, EVE was always intended to have some level of carebearing.
Sariah Kion wrote:some of these low and null sec types need to HTFU!!!! I don't think anyone disagrees with that. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |

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Posted - 2013.02.15 04:41:00 -
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Tesal wrote:But CCP does cater to me. They try to figure out what will be fun for me. The game isn't an immaculate entity divorced from player opinion. If catering to you involves corrupting what makes this game unique to provide you with something you can get elsewhere, they shouldn't. That's rather the point of this entire thread. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |

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Posted - 2013.02.15 04:54:00 -
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Sariah Kion wrote:What I cant stand is the mouth breathers that dont realize the motivations for some of the more prominent CEO's a directors of null coprs and alliances and why they attack High Sec. Many latch onto the theme and scream "HTFU" "carebear" "Eve is doomed" like the good little sheeple they are. They are pawns being played by a select few to tilt the game in the favor of their huge blue, carebear empires in null sec. If anyone attempts to take action against the asymptotic approach of highsec to perfect safety, I couldn't really care less about their ulterior motives, and don't see why anyone else should either.
Tesal wrote:EvE is a game of the good guys versus the bad guys, however who is good and bad is a matter of perspective. What I find appealing might seem corrupt to you and vice a versa. I had trouble with the last post, but this one just completely lost me. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |

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Posted - 2013.02.15 14:23:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:I guess talking in chat channels and ship spinning in a noob ship are things that don't count as PVP That depends on what you say in the chat channel. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |

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Posted - 2013.02.15 16:16:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:So I'm revising my statements, EVE is 100% PVP. Unless you can present me with a single, truly PVE activity I fully intended to respond to this with some obscure silly activity that is technically a PvE only activity, but I actually can't think of one. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |
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