It's rather insulting for you to say that the only reason we might still believe is due to "psychological damage causing defects in perception and reasoning."

I believe. As do many others who have chosen to remain in the Empire or have held on to their beliefs even after moving to the Republic (despite the fact that Republic Minmatar are attempting to coerce them to give up their faith).

What can I say? Truth hurts.

I doubt Ansher Karhisen felt coerced when asked to represent an entire Tribe despite his beliefs. Maybe he was even selected as a representative because of it.

Then your brain must be very comfortable place indeed.

I felt much safer with my custodian than I ever did in the Republic.

I think it's much more representative of the Republic as a whole than an outlier incident years ago. It also shows how far we've come in terms of unifying the tribes since that time.

An outlier incident? It's a fact of life for any faithful living in Republic space, unless they hide their faith. Just because the government might give token support to members of the faithful, doesn't stop the persecution from happening. That's why I went back to the Empire.

They've built a nation spanning three very, very large interstellar regions and established a functioning society, educational system, transport infrastructure, research and development program and military-industrial complex essentially from whole cloth in just over a century. They're a legal, CONCORD-recognised national entity. They have the naval capability to inflict serious damage to those who threaten their sovereignty. They've achieved in a single century what it took the Amarr millenia to accomplish, and they did it with their own hands, not upon the backs of legions of enslaved and abused servants.

Yes, it's an outlier incident. Implying that it's anything other than this is falsehood - I'm very familiar with Ammatar telling lies about their former fellows. I've experienced years of it, all the way back to Scagga Laebotrovo's scurrilous claims about various aspects of the Minmatar Republic being repeatedly shown to be flagrantly and knowingly inaccurate.

You're a terrible liar with some very clear and very serious psychological difficulties.

I have pondered for a few minutes now if it's hilarious or just sad that all of you supposedly intelligent people have managed yet another 3-page argument over this age-old topic, done to death over a thousand times, baited and started for the amusement of a worthless Blooder who was apparently so bored that starting this topic yet again was worth her time.

I have not been able to figure it out yet, likely because I've also been wondering why you don't have better things to do with your time than repeat this argument yet again, vainly hoping your view-points will sway those of your political opponents this time around, having failed to do so all the other times.

Oh well.

In the end I suppose there is no real harm done for any of you if you don't have anything better to do, it's interesting enough to go on, and none of you care if anything productive comes of this or not. In the end, me being the annoyed and slightly confused party here, it's I that should bow out and find better things to do than take part. I should likely do so, and stop caring for the reputations of any of you people or what you waste your time doing. Yeah, good idea.

Have a great day everyone, and enjoy the argument while it is still somewhat civil.

I lived there for four years, mister Ixiris.

I linked Gallente news reports showing it to be widespread. Even mister Karhisen was harassed during the parade, both for his Ammatar origin and his faith.

I am not lying.

Andreus is acting like a spoiled child again, I see.

"No! We're perfect and you are all wrong! I don't care what the reputable news sources say, all Minmatar are nice all the time and you Amarrians can only ever be big meany-pants's!"

Tell me when you hit puberty, you Gallente fop. You might then have the metaphorical balls to see past your ridiculous nationalism and what you say might have some meaning.

Mister Ixirus, I have been nothing but polite. Your use of insults and accusations of delusion is very upsetting.

As I am unsure how to respond further, I will retire from this thread.

Mister Ixirus, I have been nothing but polite. Your use of insults and accusations of delusion is very upsetting.

As I am unsure how to respond further, I will retire from this thread.

Salvation from what, exactly?

Near as I can tell, the only thing the Minmatar ever needed saving from was being enslaved by the Empire.

You seem to think that everything is so simple, Andreus. Just because I wear a PIE uniform I am no longer a decent person.

Just because someone once wore a chain willingly they are sad and pitiful. Just because one nation enslaves another, the oppressed nation is made of saints.

Nothing is that simple Andreus, and your black-and-white vision is wearing extremely thin. We are not all brainwashed, sad little liars. And if we are, welcome to the club.