I see this thread going places.

We owe a debt to the Amarr for bringing us to God and away from tribalism, more than for spreading us across space.

It is only unfortunate that the journey has been filled with so much needless struggle.

You do realize that we were just at our infancy of space exploration right?

If we were allowed time, we would have made our way across the cluster on our own.

No we do not owe you a debt.

Yes.



The Gallente perhaps, would have planted themselves on those worlds before you got to them.



Perhaps you should give back all those planets the Empire terraformed.

Maybe that should be the offer, hmm?

Trade all those planets for the remaining slaves that have some vague genetic link to Matar.

We owe a debt to the Amarr for bringing us to God and away from tribalism, more than for spreading us across space.

It is only unfortunate that the journey has been filled with so much needless struggle.

The Gallente, the Caldari and even the Matar all have slaves of their own. All those little people down on those planets producing things and toiling in the dirt for you have been forced by simply being born into their positions. Slavery by another name. This "controversy" is merely a way for the Gallenteans to destabilise our economy. You don't see them trying to abolish employment in their own space, yet the issue is the same.

Please contact me, at your convenience, and I will arrange for you a personal meeting with God.

I apologize, sir. Hearing this line of argument makes me bare my teeth.

Anyone who claims an equivalence between slavery and employment is familiar with neither. I am held in ironclad contracts with Lai Dai which I would be hard pressed to break, if I ever felt the desire to, and I would never dream that these irrefutable bonds are anything even approaching slavery. I have met too many slaves and former slaves to dare equivocate between them.

That ones' options are not limitless does not a slave make.

When the Empire first encountered the Minmatar, they were confined to just three systems.

At the settlement of things over a hundred years ago, the Minmatar were no longer confined to just a handful of planets, instead, they were spread across the whole cluster.

Thus, the Minmatar owe an immense debt to the Empire, regardless of how many of the Empire's slaves are distantly related to the denizens of those three worlds.

I've spent a great deal of time tending to the spiritual needs of slaves. They would have the same aggression to suggestions they're being exploited as you do. They are a beautiful and proud people when they realise their potential. But the fact remains that the Matari people are as exploited as the Jin-Mei or the Achura. Of course, less exploitation and a higher standard of living across the board would be nice I'm sure we all agree.

You attempt to paint over your own actions by painting me with the same brush, sir.

Employment is not slavery. I am saying this as an Achuran employee of Lai Dai Research Biomedical and Cybernetic.

What the blond says is totally true.

As an Amarrian in excellent standing, I shall take it upon myself to serve as the official Imperial collection agent. On behalf of the Empire, I will accept all cash payments from minnies who wish to pay off their obligations. Now give me all of your iskies.

What the blond says is totally true.

As an Amarrian in excellent standing, I shall take it upon myself to serve as the official Imperial collection agent. On behalf of the Empire, I will accept all cash payments from minnies who wish to pay off their obligations. Now give me all of your iskies.

While I understand the point you are trying to make, Ludwigus, you are speaking outside of your element and from an outsider's justification standpoint.

My own personal feelings regarding the Empire's institution of slavery aside, there are a number of differences between employment and slavery as institutionalized between the Empire and the State. Furthermore, you will find that a great many Achura will not only vehemently oppose your assertion that they are exploited within the State but be able to prove so.

While it is true that the demands on corporate workers within the State can be rigorous and difficult, corporate employees are not bred for a specific purpose, are not deadlocked into a specific purpose and are not denied advancement (either vertical or horizontal) based on the expectations of a single Holder or overseer. There is a level of flexibility in choosing one's course and path, as well as the ability to change one's direction at one's own discretion that slaves within the Empire do not possess.

I should accuse you of the same outsiders' view, Mr. Khross. You fail to take into account the slaves that prove themselves able. Some of our brightest academic and religious minds are drawn from the ranks of slaves. There are slaves with more education and freedom of movement than even some True Amarr by their own merit. I think your view of the slave-master relationship is very rigid and is tainted by Gallente propaganda.

I've spent a great deal of time tending to the spiritual needs of slaves. They would have the same aggression to suggestions they're being exploited as you do. They are a beautiful and proud people when they realise their potential. But the fact remains that the Matari people are as exploited as the Jin-Mei or the Achura. Of course, less exploitation and a higher standard of living across the board would be nice I'm sure we all agree.