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RubyPorto
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Posted - 2013.02.15 07:26:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Rastavan Hinken wrote:Mining should be fair to all not just the people who come online at the special time You came to the wrong neighborhood if you want "fair". Eve is totally fair. The second we hit undock we have the same chances as anyone else that hit undock
EVE is decidedly not fair. What EVE is is a Level Playing Field. The exact same rules apply to everyone equally, and everyone starts with (almost) exactly the same stuff. Which is different and tends to, over time, amplify differences in aptitude.
The old saying "the rich get richer while the poor get poorer" is more true the more level the playing field is, and individual aptitudes tend to lets some people get a little richer than some other people, and the difference amplifies.
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RubyPorto
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Posted - 2013.02.15 07:39:00 -
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Rastavan Hinken wrote:You people miss the point of this post
1.I want to be where I am in the system I am in right now
2.I could find any system where there is no one and mine it that is not the point of this
3.I do not know when the respawn happens but the people who can come online at that time should not be the only ones to get the rewards
4.Yes I can find a system to mine does not mean I wish to be in that system
Added numbers for my convenience.
1. So do other people. They happen to get to the resources first.
2. The only reason you're facing this "problem" is that you refuse to move, so that seems right on point.
3. They don't. I'll bet you can find plenty of rocks to mine within 5 systems of where you currently are. DT happens at 11AM GMT, that's when rocks respawn.
4. EVE's motto: Adapt or Die. You're refusing to Adapt.
Natsett Amuinn wrote:You obviously weren't told no enough as a child.
Also this.
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RubyPorto
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Posted - 2013.02.15 19:02:00 -
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LHA Tarawa wrote:A lot of people have to get up , go to school, work, etc. They return 8 hours later, and the belts are gone.
How is declaring war on the Asians/Eurpoeans that are getting respawn in their prime time, when he's not even online, going to stop them from mining the rocks while he's at work?
Plenty of EU/ANZAC/Asian mercs available.
Or... he could move to another system.
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Posted - 2013.02.15 20:19:00 -
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LHA Tarawa wrote:The "another system" are also getting mined out too. It is getting very hard to find good belts in any system that has a station with a refinery, and is even getting hard to find next door to a system with a station with a refinery. orca jumps 2, 3 or more systems, when you could be filling it every half hour...
Bullshit. I just checked the belts in the .5 system where my indy alt lives. There's refining and manufacturing there. There are 15 belts. Top belt has plenty of ore, including 5% and 10% rocks. It's been 10hrs since downtime, and last night I took a glance a couple hours before DT and there were plenty of rocks.
This is in the Forge.
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Posted - 2013.02.16 19:36:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:no, i mean 0.0 grav sites.
can people honestly go and jump off a cliff with that "it'll make it hard for new players. no it damn well doesn't. i was scanning down null sec grav sites with nothing but astrometrics II and a heron. it doesn't make it harder at all, it takes like half an hour to train the minimum skills needed. how will a one day old player scan out a grav site? by taking 30 mins to train the skill. that's how. it's not a road block at all, it's people just don't want to put the effort in.
if you're not going to remove asteroid belts, why ask for suggestions on how to fix the issue, then complain when a fix is given to you? honestly.
Hidden Belts and the advantages they bring (unlimited mining in one system) aren't free. Who's going to be paying the Sov Fee, iHub fee, and cost of placing the Indy upgrades in HS?
There might be some valid claim for there being an issue when every normal belt in every system in HS gets mined out before DT on a daily basis. But not until.
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Posted - 2013.02.16 19:54:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Kate stark wrote:no, i mean 0.0 grav sites.
can people honestly go and jump off a cliff with that "it'll make it hard for new players. no it damn well doesn't. i was scanning down null sec grav sites with nothing but astrometrics II and a heron. it doesn't make it harder at all, it takes like half an hour to train the minimum skills needed. how will a one day old player scan out a grav site? by taking 30 mins to train the skill. that's how. it's not a road block at all, it's people just don't want to put the effort in.
if you're not going to remove asteroid belts, why ask for suggestions on how to fix the issue, then complain when a fix is given to you? honestly. Hidden Belts and the advantages they bring (unlimited mining in one system) aren't free. Who's going to be paying the Sov Fee, iHub fee, and cost of placing the Indy upgrades in HS? There might be some valid claim for there being an issue when every normal belt in every system in HS gets mined out before DT on a daily basis. But not until. the cost, instead of sov fees, is the removal of static belts that respawn at DT. and agreed.
That's not a cost. That's "we're replacing something with something better."
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Posted - 2013.02.16 20:03:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:actually it's "we're moving something"
Hidden belts are better than normal ones in most ways. They're safer (because they have to be scanned down), have generally larger rocks, and they respawn immediately. The "cost" of having to scan down something once a day or so isn't really significant.
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Posted - 2013.02.16 20:16:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Kate stark wrote:actually it's "we're moving something" Hidden belts are better than normal ones in most ways. They're safer (because they have to be scanned down), have generally larger rocks, and they respawn immediately. The "cost" of having to scan down something once a day or so isn't really significant. this is true. but what alternative do you have if you remove static belts that respawn at downtime? moving regular belts to grav sites are the only way to remove the fact that asteroids respawn at DT in order to achieve CCP's idea of a downtimeless game. i'm not saying i think it's a good idea, i'm just saying the solution fits the criteria of the "problem".
I didn't suggest removing them. Static belts that partially refill at DT are fine at the moment (I already described the situation where they could be considered not-fine).
If you want to be able to mine in a system which you call home at any hour of the day without worrying about other people wanting to mine there, you can keep it clear of interlopers yourself, pay someone to do that for you, or move somewhere where the mechanics allow you to invest in the system you live in.
In other words: Move to a less trafficked HS system, Get the other miners ganked, or go to Nullsec. There's no actual problem to solve here.
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Posted - 2013.02.16 20:23:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:you didn't, but some one did and that's why i mentioned it.
i've already said that moving is the solution to the "problem".
Then we've just been agreeing right past each other, huh?
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Posted - 2013.02.16 20:37:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Kate stark wrote:you didn't, but some one did and that's why i mentioned it.
i've already said that moving is the solution to the "problem". Then we've just been agreeing right past each other, huh? t'would seem so. i wouldn't mind grav sites though. how many gankers will bother trying to scan you down?
HS has Grav sites. They just don't respawn in the same system repeatedly.
It also has mission mining, which does appear in (roughly) the same system repeatedly.
Both are fairly effective at keeping the gankers away.
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Posted - 2013.02.18 06:11:00 -
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Yonis Kador wrote:Imo, all that is required is enough imagination and perseverance to outwit and outlast your competition.
YK
Well done.
You miners do the "Put Bounties on each other as a sign of respect" thing, right? 
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Posted - 2013.02.18 07:51:00 -
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Yonis Kador wrote:Well Ruby, last month I was mining in a system with 17 belts and only 3 people in it. Some jerk rolls up on me in a Mack, sets course toward me, and puts all his mining lasers on the exact rock I was mining at the time. Since there were so many empty belts and even the one we were in was wide open, it got my goat enough that I put a 100 mill bounty on him sure. But it didn't accomplish anything. He didn't leave, I was still annoyed, and I was out 100 mill. So I'm not sure that's the route I'd take in the future. If I'm going to drop 100 mill, I'd rather pay someone to shoot him immediately than wait. But to answer your question, I'd assume yes, if I've bountied someone in this way, there must be others.
YK
I was joking that I was going to slap a bounty on you for posting your story.
But I seriously can't bring myself to inconvenience you (also putting bounties on people generally seems kind of silly). You are the shining 1%: The miner willing to adapt.
(BTW, with the new Bounty system, you made it very profitable to suicide gank 500m worth of his Exhumers. So I'd watch his killboard and your notifications to reap what you sewed).
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