More proof that NPC corps don't protect newbies in any way and should be removed. PvE alts of aged veterans should be expected to defend themselves at some point.

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In the Rookie systems rookies are supposed to be protected. Yet there are people baiting and griefing on the systems that connect the starter system, to the career agent system..

Take this guy for example -- http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Alejandrom777

Almost all he does is bait and grief noobs.

Even in Noob systems, he was providing Logi for other members of his corp trying to kill rookies outside the Clellinon gate (against the rules.. nothing seems to happen) just a few days ago.. And his he's got loads of kills in Clellinon over the past few months.

He gets reported all the time, by myself, and others. Nothing seems to happen.


As it stands now he gets himself all flashy yellow, has a noob alt/friend shoot him in a noobship, and target locks the new players as they head towards the gate..

So whats the point of the rules ? Rookies need to leave Noob systems to just get to the Career agent system, not to mention to complete the career agent missions ( belts are mined out in at least Clellinon after just a few hrs.. ) and they are being baited and griefed.


So pick a side. Either Rookies are protected, or the sandbox rules apply and they aren't. Cause what we have now is a half-assed system that does no one any good. They still get baited, griefed, and killed completing rookie missions. Or just heading to the career agent system for the first time.

Honestly I don't care which way it goes, I just want the rules to make sense. Because currently they don.t

So pick a side. Either Rookies are protected, or the sandbox rules apply and they aren't. Cause what we have now is a half-assed system that does no one any good. They still get baited, griefed, and killed completing rookie missions. Or just heading to the career agent system for the first time.

Inside a Rookie system, rookies are protected*. Outside of a Rookie system, nobody is protected.

*Which is problematic, because non-rookies are not protected there, leading to confusion as players have no means to reliably tell who is a rookie and who is not.

Which is why, last time this topic rolled around, I suggested that, quite simply, everyone be protected in Rookie systems with the same protective rules as rookies. Makes it easier to enforce, too.


I expect the same people who spent the last thread on this shouting at me, claiming that I want the change in order to further my supposed agenda of griefing newbies, to be back shouting at me in this thread.

Hmmm, but don't you think that would lead to dense populations of "Super Carebears" in those systems?

Rookies need to leave Noob systems to just get to the Career agent system, not to mention to complete the career agent missions ( belts are mined out in at least Clellinon after just a few hrs.. ) and they are being baited and griefed.

Hmmm, but don't you think that would lead to dense populations of "Super Carebears" in those systems?

Hmmm, but don't you think that would lead to dense populations of "Super Carebears" in those systems?

It'd be nice if people, some day, began realizing how stupid they sound using the word "noob."

Newies should learn from day 1 what this game is about.

Can baiting noobs in a noob system is off limits, pretty much everything else goes (including suicide ganking them, etc.).

If they are getting baited next door, then they aren't really just innocently going over a couple of systems to get to a career agent... if they were then they wouldn't be falling for this. No, they are venturing out on their own for the first time... which is great... but they have to learn not to be stupid at some point. Or at least learn to keep their safeties on and pay attention to the warning messages that pop up until the get a handle on what is going on.

At worst it's simply pathetic, but likely not a major issue in the grand scheme of things.

If you really cared, you'd actually deal with the bastard picking on them.

But besides him being a bastard, there's no way to tell if he's not actively recruiting that way.

And yes, many actually do that.

Newies should learn from day 1 what this game is about.

And when it does face more than he can handle, he hides till they go away and them comes back and starts again.

Surely all you white knights of high sec can muster a half-dozen ships to counter one guy.

Easy solution to these guys...make a character designed to bait him into action so he can't jump the gate, then crush him with real PVP ships. If he brings logi, bring snipers. Surely all you white knights of high sec can muster a half-dozen ships to counter one guy.

In the Rookie systems rookies are supposed to be protected. Yet there are people baiting and griefing on the systems that connect the starter system, to the career agent system..

Take this guy for example -- http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Alejandrom777

Almost all he does is bait and grief noobs.

Even in Noob systems, he was providing Logi for other members of his corp trying to kill rookies outside the Clellinon gate (against the rules.. nothing seems to happen) just a few days ago.. And his he's got loads of kills in Clellinon over the past few months.

He gets reported all the time, by myself, and others. Nothing seems to happen.


As it stands now he gets himself all flashy yellow, has a noob alt/friend shoot him in a noobship, and target locks the new players as they head towards the gate..

So whats the point of the rules ? Rookies need to leave Noob systems to just get to the Career agent system, not to mention to complete the career agent missions ( belts are mined out in at least Clellinon after just a few hrs.. ) and they are being baited and griefed.


So pick a side. Either Rookies are protected, or the sandbox rules apply and they aren't. Cause what we have now is a half-assed system that does no one any good. They still get baited, griefed, and killed completing rookie missions. Or just heading to the career agent system for the first time.

Honestly I don't care which way it goes, I just want the rules to make sense. Because currently they don.t

Well if CCP is interested in keeping new subscriptions then they'll do something about it.

More proof that NPC corps don't protect newbies in any way and should be removed. PvE alts of aged veterans should be expected to defend themselves at some point.

Could you show me a single killmail where PvE ship wins battle against PvP ship?

Have fun! Because you will spent a lot of time to find one.

It's unusual, but it's happened. I've seen it. There aren't any killmails because PvE ships don't have tackle and the other guy warped away.

It never happens. PvP ship wins always.

It doesn't matter how OP Mach is, if it's PvE fit, it loses to one Rifter.

He's just welcoming people to Eve, I don't see the problem. Happens in WoW all the time.

He also gives fitting advice.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=18843735

It isn't against the rules and you need to stop telling people to clog up the petition queue with pointless crap.

http://support.eveonline.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=336

Kind of implied and specific that it is here. Agree with it? Disagree with it? *shrug* doesn't really matter when its worded like that, does it?

Now I'm the first to say I don't know the solution. I don't think Rookies should be harassed early on in and around the career agent/ rookie systems. That said I don't want to make a carebear safe haven either.. Each "solution" I think up has it's fair share of drawbacks too.. I mean this is a PvP game, but people griefing on newbies have no place here imho.. grow some balls and face people that actually can fight back, and know what is going on.

It never happens. PvP ship wins always.

It doesn't matter how OP Mach is, if it's PvE fit, it loses to one Rifter.

Tackle doesn't help. It's not like outrunning a BS is difficult in a frigate.

Apoc max speed with AB: ~290 m/s
Rifter max speed with AB: ~1200 m/s
Rifter max speed with oversized AB: 2000+ m/s

Rookies should know better is all.

If you see a can in space: Leave it alone and carry about your day.
If you see someone flashing: Don't shoot them and carry about your day.
If you get locked: Don't fire on them and carry about your day.

The majority of any high-sec baiting can be reduced to near nothing if players just mind their own business and don't get so greedy as to take something out of a can that isn't theirs. If people are able to kill others using any baiting methods then it is the so called 'victim's' fault to begin with.

Hey I have no sympathy for any newb taking a Can. It's not like it was before, you have to disable the Safety in order to take it.
Flashing yellow, and flashing red however are a different story, not only can you just shoot, but in your first few days you have no idea what that means. For all you know it's another npc rat..

I'd like to see Aura during the initial training perhaps give Rookies a crash course in this.. Flashy Yellow, This is a suspect, they did something like This, anyone can shoot them, but they can shoot back, so make sure you are willing to lose it all. This is a Red, they did ... This is a Yellow can, if you disable your safety you can take it, but then anyone can shoot at you. This player has a great flag, it means they are in your corp, this a purple, this means they are in your fleet..
Etc..
A few basics on the UI so once they leave if they don't know better at least it's their own damn fault..

Hey I have no sympathy for any newb taking a Can. It's not like it was before, you have to disable the Safety in order to take it.
Flashing yellow, and flashing red however are a different story, not only can you just shoot, but in your first few days you have no idea what that means. For all you know it's another npc rat..

Could you show me a single killmail where PvE ship wins battle against PvP ship?

Have fun! Because you will spend a lot of time to find one.