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Jonah Gravenstein Gordian Knot Holdings 5757	Posted - 2013.02.17 01:47:00 - [61] - Quote Looks like the OP is full of crap, as far as killboards show his death happened in lowsec, and the killer was someone from fweddit. He wasn't equipped for mining either. Butthurt I want Eve to be safe alt post detected. I retract my offer of reimbursement unless the OP can provide a killmail showing a NO agent killing him, in a ship equipped for mining, in highsec, OP died taking on an arty Loki in a frigate, stupid is as stupid does. Eve in a nutshell, it's me vs the universe, and everybody in it.
Leon Ronuken Lime Inc. 0	Posted - 2013.02.17 05:29:00 - [62] - Quote Eve isn't a kid's T-Ball game where scores aren't kept for fear of making some feel like losers. A loser is one who quits.
Chopper Rollins Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 181	Posted - 2013.02.17 05:39:00 - [63] - Quote Karrin Rawlter wrote: Hello everyone. I'm about 3 weeks into the game and starting to figure some things out (both in game and the meta-politics stuff), so i figured now would be a good time to recount my experience, get some questions answered, and vent a little. I saw some pics online of the Battle of Asakai and my fiancee and I decided to give Eve a try.. These crowd things are big in the ads. I've never enjoyed them, anything bigger than 100 a side is just meh to me. Karrin Rawlter wrote: Why not just have a single button that the player presses after character creation that spawns them in a circle of aged, sour-faced veterans who promptly blow them up, followed by the game automatically uninstalling to save the rookie some time? That way a core group of players who have been playing since 2005 can get their sociopathic tendencies off and save us new players some time Now this sounds like a good idea. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Ai Shun 876	Posted - 2013.02.17 06:02:00 - [64] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: A like to you, because you too have seen what happens when a game dries up and only "vets" remain. Why you'd like lies is beyond me. Either way; no threat that EVE will go the way of Warhammer Online. The one has had positive growth for 10 years by pandering to it's core market; while the other that tried to be everything to everyone failed in a couple of years. Why you would support failure is beyond me as well, but hey. You don't get a fruit bowl without some bananas. Jonah Gravenstein wrote: I retract my offer of reimbursement unless the OP can provide a killmail showing a NO agent killing him, in a ship equipped for mining, in highsec, OP died taking on an arty Loki in a frigate, stupid is as stupid does. Interesting. EVE Ambulation and Avatars as a separate game - see here
Nicolo da'Vicenza Air The Unthinkables 3106	Posted - 2013.02.17 07:28:00 - [65] - Quote Bears like to threaten that not nerfing PVP will 'make newbies quit' despite the current protections not protecting newbies in any way and carebears not having any appreciable impact on EVE's subscription income considering the failures of carebear expansions Incarna and Tyrannis. Just go ahead and mock their emotion-based perspectives of how game balance should be sacrificed for non-existent money. (Vaerah considers Tyrannis a 'PvP expansion' btw)
Rian Kurr Hedion University Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2013.02.17 08:58:00 - [66] - Quote Been playing eve since red moon.... Yes eve has evolved.... the community has change. Don't equate Eve past success with its future, yes it will continue... In the past older players really did talk with and help new players and got them started even if they were a hardcore ganker.... It was part of your duty as a citizen of EVE. You paid for your "sins" by giving back to the game. When the last time anyone here struck up a conversation with a noob in a mining belt .... and did anything to help them? Won't call my self a bitter old vet because I still have too much to learn in EVE but with the attitudes expressed here .... like the OP and many of my old friends.... Eve is not my kind of game... at least not any longer. There are are still a lot of good people in EVE ... Eve is what you make it.. Five accounts canceled, all toons deleted..... that was harder then I thought...... That's why I am an alt Some of the fun when scorpions still looked good... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5wQ9pSSfMQ Fly safe o7
Nicolo da'Vicenza Air The Unthinkables 3108	Posted - 2013.02.17 09:10:00 - [67] - Quote No actually old EVE was full of worse newbie stomping and far, far less new player resources then anything present new players have to deal with. Your POV is tinted by nostalgia
Solstice Project Brave Newbies Inc. 2748	Posted - 2013.02.17 11:07:00 - [68] - Quote First ... escape menu ... set UI to 90%. Second ... run the tutorial missions. Third ... we don't care, get lost. (i don't talk to noobs that way ingame, btw ... unless they are totally annoying, like you) Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire
Takseen University of Caille Gallente Federation 228	Posted - 2013.02.17 11:34:00 - [69] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Looks like the OP is full of crap, as far as killboards show his death happened in lowsec, and the killer was someone from fweddit. He wasn't equipped for mining either. Butthurt I want Eve to be safe alt post detected. I retract my offer of reimbursement unless the OP can provide a killmail showing a NO agent killing him, in a ship equipped for mining, in highsec, OP died taking on an arty Loki in a frigate, stupid is as stupid does. These two kills, yea? http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=18765233 Possibly stealing faction spawn loot from the Ishkur? http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=18765233 Hey what's going on in this wormho...argh! Pretty standard stuff for a newbie I think.
Takseen University of Caille Gallente Federation 228	Posted - 2013.02.17 11:36:00 - [70] - Quote Rian Kurr wrote: When the last time anyone here struck up a conversation with a noob in a mining belt .... and did anything to help them? I dunno about mining belts. People probably just assume anyone at a belt is a bot. But a friend of mine who started FW and got killed in a plex was given 20 mill and an offer for fitting advice and stuff.
Takseen University of Caille Gallente Federation 228	Posted - 2013.02.17 11:42:00 - [71] - Quote Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote: carebear expansions Incarna Hey don't go blaming that piece of crap on the bears, we didn't want it either. And Tyrannis' main feature of PI wasn't even properly implemented until the following expansion. I think this was back when they had way less staff actually working on Eve features.
Jonah Gravenstein Gordian Knot Holdings 5765	Posted - 2013.02.17 14:09:00 - [72] - Quote Takseen wrote: Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Looks like the OP is full of crap, as far as killboards show his death happened in lowsec, and the killer was someone from fweddit. He wasn't equipped for mining either. Butthurt I want Eve to be safe alt post detected. I retract my offer of reimbursement unless the OP can provide a killmail showing a NO agent killing him, in a ship equipped for mining, in highsec, OP died taking on an arty Loki in a frigate, stupid is as stupid does. These two kills, yea? http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=18765233 Possibly stealing faction spawn loot from the Ishkur? http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=18765233 Hey what's going on in this wormho...argh! Pretty standard stuff for a newbie I think. I didn't check BC, I don't consider it a killboard or good for anything else either tbh. Eve in a nutshell, it's me vs the universe, and everybody in it.
Takseen University of Caille Gallente Federation 229	Posted - 2013.02.17 14:17:00 - [73] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: I didn't check BC, I don't consider it a killboard or good for anything else either tbh. Hmm, what is a good killboard to use. Cos BC took 2 days to pick up my first FW alt's kill :(
Jonah Gravenstein Gordian Knot Holdings 5766	Posted - 2013.02.17 14:29:00 - [74] - Quote http://eve-kill.net/ seems to be amongst the most popular, it seems to pick up kills and losses within a few hours of them happening, you'll need to create an API key for it to do so though. Eve in a nutshell, it's me vs the universe, and everybody in it.
Stonecrusher Mortlock University of Caille Gallente Federation 102	Posted - 2013.02.17 16:33:00 - [75] - Quote Jake Warbird wrote: So are you whining about Eve being difficult or suicide banking? Either way the response would be HTFU or GTFO. suicide banking this must be a new forum of scam...
Reft Ar'en Distant Frontiers 4	Posted - 2013.02.17 16:55:00 - [76] - Quote Kahega Amielden wrote: Quote: At this point, two of my friends said "Well this is stupid", logged off, and will not pick the game back up. Why not just have a single button that the player presses after character creation that spawns them in a circle of aged, sour-faced veterans who promptly blow them up, followed by the game automatically uninstalling to save the rookie some time? That way a core group of players who have been playing since 2005 can get their sociopathic tendencies off and save us new players some time. We don't want your two friends. In fact, it sounds like we don't want you either. EVE.
Takseen University of Caille Gallente Federation 230	Posted - 2013.02.17 18:01:00 - [77] - Quote Jonah Gravenstein wrote: http://eve-kill.net/ seems to be amongst the most popular, it seems to pick up kills and losses within a few hours of them happening, you'll need to create an API key for it to do so though. Oh thanks. I've just tripled my kills on that board.
Skunk NumberOne Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 2	Posted - 2013.02.17 18:46:00 - [78] - Quote Well I'm a fellow newbie and I'd like to chime in with my 2 cents worth. First of all, don't let the New Order get to you. They are easy enough to avoid if you want to, and even if you do pay them off, 10mm ISK a year(not a day) is chump change compared to what you can make mining. Think of them as the local thugs shaking you down for "protection" money. They like to think of themselves as being on a crusade to protect the integrity of the game in high sec, but that's just part of their immersion in to the game. In reality they are just the local Mob. If you don't want to pay them off, you can usually avoid them by going into lower sec areas of high sec(.7 to .5) especially in areas without a lot of traffic. If you go to these slightly lower sec systems though, don't just start mining and then leave your computer. There are NPC pirates that spawn in those areas fairly regularly, and if you are off doing your own thing they will kill you. They are easy to run away from but you have to be alert enough to know when they show up. I like to bring a cruiser and a mining barge to those lower high sec systems and do a run of the belts with my cruiser, killing off pirates before I go to mine. The pirates will respawn so this is not a cure all, but you can get some interesting loot from the pirate wrecks, and you can often equip your ships with what you loot. It's worked well for me so far, but like I said I'm a newbie and this could stop working for me at any time, so I gotta make sure to have back up plans. Also keep in mind, mining is not the game. You mine to make enough money so that you can go to the more dangerous areas well enough equipped to put up some sort of a fight when you encounter more aggressive players. You'll still get ganked, because just having a bigger ship is not all there is to combat, but at least you can put up a fight. Try to travel with friends if you can, makes it more fun all around no matter what happens. Last but not least, don't get too attached to your ships. You will get killed, it's part of the game, and if you don't quit when you get killed, you'll get another ship and try again. Even pod death is not the end of the world. You just reclone and try again. Get insurance and a high quality clone and you lose even less from getting killed. Some aspects of this game are a pain in the a$$ but if the game was too easy, it wouldn't be any fun.
Aracimia Wolfe Brave Newbies Inc. 210	Posted - 2013.02.17 19:04:00 - [79] - Quote Stonecrusher Mortlock wrote: Jake Warbird wrote: So are you whining about Eve being difficult or suicide banking? Either way the response would be HTFU or GTFO. suicide banking this must be a new forum of scam... It's where you get decapitated by the shutter when you dive past the queue at closing time Malcanis for CSM 8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717 \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ m8m8m8m8m8m8m8 o7
Karrin Rawlter Rawlter Mining and Salvage 13	Posted - 2013.02.18 00:59:00 - [80] - Quote Thanks everyone for their replies. To clarify a few things: The extortion happened during a break between tutorial missions, three days after we started. It was unrelated to my death in lowsec (I had seen a good price for an item in a lowsec system, set it as my destination, and hit autopilot, not realizing it was lowsec. Never AFK again!). We had just acquired ventures from the industry tutorial. At the time of the creation of this thread I had been playing for I think about 3 weeks. The guy's name was Pestario Vargas or something like that, and now that duration of the permit has been mentioned, I can't recall him stating whether such a permit would be good for a year or a day. We never actually fought ship to ship, we just left the system on the advice of Rookie Help. As for those stating that I am not up to the skill challenge of the game: I have and continue to play, mainly due to the fact that I can ask for help in Rookie Help and regular Help chat. How could I play for this long and not have gotten help from chat? The wikis are terrible. The purpose of my original post was to describe my experience as a new player so that it might contribute to some of the conversation I've seen while lurking this forum. The main point I tried, and perhaps failed, to make was that the game can be incredibly frustrating for the first few weeks, that it is difficult to acquire accurate game info, and that perhaps you should let the newbie piglet mature into a fine fat sow before you slaughter them. Thanks also to the people who have sent me in game mails. All have been friendly and encouraging.
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 1074	Posted - 2013.02.18 01:14:00 - [81] - Quote In EVE people can do what they want. Therefor if someone wants to totally screw you over, if they want to do that they can. That means you need to be willing and able to deal with other players who for whatever reason want to interfere with what you want to do. If someone is threatening to blow up your mining barge, fit a tank on it, if someone is declaring war on you hire mercenaries and always be working to secure your ability to operate how you want, train appropriate skills, make scary friends and be willing to negotiate when it is appropriate. And always remember, there's an entire community of people that you can give money to to make problems go away. You can find them in the Merc Contracts channel.
Bennet Am Viziam Amarr Empire 16	Posted - 2013.02.18 01:16:00 - [82] - Quote What people forget to mention, is MOVE away from space occupied by ass hats. There is plenty of space. Leave the mission hubs and you will find yourself in an entirely different game.
Ankles McGlashan Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 7	Posted - 2013.02.18 01:18:00 - [83] - Quote There are some awesome people in this game. First time my original character got blapped in low I got mailed and encouraged for having the pluck to engage her. really very civil. I was in Center For Advanced Studies as well that NPC corp is awesome and if you want to roll a new character and get a ready made community you could not do better afaik. also bacon. the scams and propaganda are just awful though. not like oooh i'm so tearful awful but like just really awful. i recall being mailed and mocked for buying a noob ship on one occasion. of course i congratulated him on his cool scam bro (actually i just couldn't be arsed warping in my pod to another station) but he continued to wail that i was an npc noob. i obviously requested he stop being a tedious neckbeard and didn't hear back. i think that's really the way to deal with it.
Domania Aperture Harmonics K162 9	Posted - 2013.02.18 01:33:00 - [84] - Quote Karrin Rawlter wrote: generic rookie babble We log on and run some of the career tutorials out of Trossere. After a while, we decide to take a break and see if we can make some money, and quickly find out that massive scordite is the best selling item we are able to obtain. We can't find any in Trossere, what with all the other newbies, so we head through a jump gate. Not twenty seconds after arriving in the system, some guy from some corp (New World Order or something like that?) says that he and his corp are going to charge us 10 mil ISK per day to mine there. Now, having read up on Eve I was prepared for something like this and promptly told him to **** off and that I knew CONCORD would get him. He responds that he's flying a 3 mil suicide something or other and that there's no way we can stop him. generic rookie babble So let me get this straight. So instead of moving base to a location where there isn't a ass to harass you, you decide that the game sucks and decide to give up. Protip: Hit F10, it pops up with a map. You'll be amazed to find out that there are thousands of systems in this game. I suggest moving your operations to Cat.
Karrin Rawlter Rawlter Mining and Salvage 16	Posted - 2013.02.18 03:07:00 - [85] - Quote Domania wrote: So let me get this straight. You really failed at that.
Nicolo da'Vicenza Air 3138	Posted - 2013.02.18 03:15:00 - [86] - Quote [Procurer, New Setup 1] Systematic Damage Control Mining Laser Upgrade I Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Survey Scanner I Strip Miner I
Ankles McGlashan Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 7	Posted - 2013.02.18 03:44:00 - [87] - Quote Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote: [Procurer, New Setup 1] Systematic Damage Control Mining Laser Upgrade I Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Survey Scanner I Strip Miner I come on, at least have one EM ward field you're just trying to be edgy.
Nicolo da'Vicenza Air 3139	Posted - 2013.02.18 03:57:00 - [88] - Quote that would involve clicking more then 5 things
Wescro2 New Order Logistics CODE. 11	Posted - 2013.02.18 05:01:00 - [89] - Quote Karrin Rawlter, I feel like you have been treated a little unfairly. Let's just say I can sympathize with your sentiments, even if I don't agree with them. What did you expect when you picked up EVE? Actually, what do you expect from games in general? There will be effort, and there will be rewards, sure, but there will also be this thing called, challenge. In most games, the challenge is presented by NPCs. In EVE, it comes from other players. Unlike the NPCs, we have to take time from our lives to log in and provide content for you. We have to pay for it with ISK we earned while fending off other players. It's really a thankless job to be an EVE pirate. Now, what difference should it make to you that the people trying to keep you from mining are players rather than NPCs? You don't get upset that there are hostile NPCs in mining belts. do you? Are you and your friends the kind of people who would quit Super Mario when the first mushroom dudes show up. It seems like what you are saying is "Why should I play a game that dares to get in the way of flawless, uninterrupted, effortless progress on my own terms?" Have you considered perhaps that other players enjoy the challenge? Have you considered all the work CCP has put in the game to make sure that almost everyone in every situation has some intelligent way of resisting player-created obstructions to their playstyle? It seems your friends just threw their hands in the air at the first sign of adversity, and never attempted to overcome it. Ultimately, my suggestion to you is to try out games where NPCs rather than players are the main "villains." It will not upset you as much psychologically knowing you are being opposed by an AI. Sure it will be a monotonous, lifeless and impersonable kind of foe but at least you will spare yourself the trauma of being surrounded by people with "sociopathic tendencies."
ihcn Life. Universe. Everything. Clockwork Pineapple 203	Posted - 2013.02.18 05:06:00 - [90] - Quote too long; didn't read

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