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Shittake
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Posted - 2005.07.26 08:57:00 -
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Simple Fact: Xelas set BoB/5 to positive standings WAY before any shot was fired by a PA member. Something tells me that Xelas alligning themselves with PA's (and most of the north's) enemines VIOLATES any agreement they had with the PA in the Tenal anex.
Like a previous poster said, we do not wish to fire upon many of the Xelas corps, with whom we are friends with, but Xelas leadership made a foolish move here and they have not yet mustered the courage to admit it, they point fingers and deflect.
Xelas Member Corps: Those who left the PA to join Xelas, were you ready to allign yourself with BoB/V and fight against your friends in the PA?
This can be resolved.
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Edoo
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Posted - 2005.07.26 09:09:00 -
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Yeah... and i'll give a few more simple facts for the confused retards who think they know whats going on
- Cochise denied signing a mutual defense pact
- They NAPed most of our enemies, and were at war with half of our allies.
- They never gave us access to certain facilities in Tenal stations
- They didn't unrent offices in our space
- They banned us from Tenal
- The Phoenix Alliance then tried diplomatic discussions with them, but Cochise/Acidcharm were rude, arrogant, and didn't seem interested in improving our relationship at all.
- Xelas member declares us KOS in Venal local
- Phoenix Alliance retaliate and attack Tenal (The region we kindly gave them, although they didn't even stretch as far as saying thankyou for it).
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Edoo - Phoenix Alliance Diplomat
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The Clash
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Posted - 2005.07.26 09:11:00 -
[33]
 Originally by: Galavet
We'll Take it!
If only i can coem complex whoring 
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Azure Skyclad
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Posted - 2005.07.26 09:19:00 -
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Originally by: Edoo
Yeah... and i'll give a few more simple facts for the confused retards who think they know whats going on
- Cochise denied signing a mutual defense pact
- They NAPed most of our enemies, and were at war with half of our allies.
- They never gave us access to certain facilities in Tenal stations
- They didn't unrent offices in our space
- They banned us from Tenal
- The Phoenix Alliance then tried diplomatic discussions with them, but Cochise/Acidcharm were rude, arrogant, and didn't seem interested in improving our relationship at all.
- Xelas member declares us KOS in Venal local
- Phoenix Alliance retaliate and attack Tenal (The region we kindly gave them, although they didn't even stretch as far as saying thankyou for it).
I'm sure if you pass the particulars of the agreement over to Viceroy, Viceroy and partners (Attorneys at Law). They will be only too happy to determine if the agreement in question is breached.
(straps in for the Riz video)
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Visser
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Posted - 2005.07.26 10:17:00 -
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oh plaese lay off the "it's their fault" BS
Most of PA have been ****ed about Xelas from the vary moment it was born and now you got board and desided to pick on someone weaker then you are.
your only goal here is to say "HAHA WE'RE BIGGER THEN YOU"
once again PA and GODs show how pathetic they are.
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Lig Lira
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Posted - 2005.07.26 10:31:00 -
[36]
Why was Shadar's account dissabled on the Xelas forums?
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acidcharm
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Posted - 2005.07.26 10:38:00 -
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Here is the breach of contract. . .
Painball the big Killah ... Took down a shuttle and a hauler!!
This put us in negotiation with PA for 10 hours . . to no avail..Finally we decided to let cooler heads prevail and allow PA to vote in two days time on how to handle the situation.. occ attacked that night ..
[ 2005.07.22 20:30:27 ] hitangel > whoo Painball ... what you do here m8 :)
[ 2005.07.22 20:31:09 ] PainBall > wanted to pod jump
[ 2005.07.22 20:31:15 ] PainBall > i need to kill ppl
[ 2005.07.22 20:31:26 ] hitangel > oh i see
[ 2005.07.22 20:31:34 ] PainBall > btw u seen i got 31 bs in last 12 days?
[ 2005.07.22 20:31:36 ] J Constantine > PainBall, I've been asked to tell you to leave tenal space
[ 2005.07.22 20:31:44 ] PainBall > lol
[ 2005.07.22 20:31:47 ] PainBall > wtf?
[ 2005.07.22 20:31:52 ] PainBall > u wanna die or something?!
[ 2005.07.22 20:32:02 ] hitangel > you really need do be poded painball ?
[ 2005.07.22 20:32:38 ] hitangel > where are ya now ? lol
[ 2005.07.22 20:36:45 ] rhumbline > painball..
[ 2005.07.22 20:36:54 ] PainBall > WHAT?
[ 2005.07.22 20:36:57 ] PainBall > U ******* IDIOTS
[ 2005.07.22 20:37:02 ] hitangel > lol
[ 2005.07.22 20:37:08 ] PainBall > NO1 THREATEANS ME
[ 2005.07.22 20:37:11 ] rhumbline >***** up in comms, you are not being asked to leave tenal space
[ 2005.07.22 20:37:13 ] hitangel > calm down m8 .. was a mistake :)
[ 2005.07.22 20:37:14 ] Magis > RElax
[ 2005.07.22 20:37:22 ] PainBall > URE GOIND TO DIE!
[ 2005.07.22 20:37:24 ] PainBall > ALL OF U!
[ 2005.07.22 20:37:28 ] Magis > PainBall your more then welcome here in Tenal )
[ 2005.07.22 20:37:30 ] J Constantine > Excuse, my nubletness
[ 2005.07.22 20:37:40 ] J Constantine > mistaken orders
[ 2005.07.22 20:37:40 ] hitangel > don't worry pain ... it was a mistake .. ok :)
[ 2005.07.22 20:38:09 ] J Constantine > please accept my apologises Painball
[ 2005.07.22 20:38:16 ] rhumbline > ffs
[ 2005.07.22 20:38:24 ] PainBall > U MORONS GOIN TO DIE!
[ 2005.07.22 20:38:25 ] PainBall > ALL OF U
[ 2005.07.22 20:38:41 ] hitangel > ok .. stop your game pain now .. it's ok :)
[ 2005.07.22 20:38:55 ] rhumbline > did you really have to shoot me, after i just wanted to clarify things :(
[ 2005.07.22 20:39:37 ] rhumbline > besides, my eve is screwed, cant tell wahts going on it...lag, no right click menu...it sucks big time
[ 2005.07.22 20:39:44 ] hitangel > don't worry this is like that she always say when she is ok :)
[ 2005.07.22 20:39:54 ] hitangel > mouaa ha ha
[ 2005.07.22 20:39:55 ] Burk > Painball you r a ****
[ 2005.07.22 20:40:03 ] PainBall > URE MOMA IS A ****
[ 2005.07.22 20:40:07 ] PainBall > ******* RETARDS
[ 2005.07.22 20:40:48 ] Burk > PAINBALL I AM GONNA HAVE UR ASS
[ 2005.07.22 20:40:52 ] Burk > AND ALL OCC ASS
[ 2005.07.22 20:41:43 ] PainBall > bring it on
[ 2005.07.22 20:44:34 ] hitangel > ?? m8 ?
[ 2005.07.22 20:45:28 ] hitangel > what means this ***** ? :)
[ 2005.07.22 20:47:20 ] hitangel > so why you say nothing now ??
[ 2005.07.22 20:47:29 ] hitangel > what the problem with you?
[ 2005.07.22 20:53:28 ] Cats > what the hell.....
[ 2005.07.22 20:53:42 ] Natana > well... occ, cats :)
[ 2005.07.22 20:53:55 ] Cats > Why was he locking on me????
[ 2005.07.22 20:54:02 ] Natana > read alliance chat
[ 2005.07.22 20:54:06 ] PainBall > cos ure goin` to die all
[ 2005.07.22 20:54:06 ] Burk > he wants pvp
[ 2005.07.22 20:54:23 ] Cats > to pod?
[ 2005.07.22 20:54:40 ] hitangel > she's became a Pain***** again .. she sometimes do that ... just wait her to calm down and throw the bill after :)
[ 2005.07.22 20:54:57 ] PainBall > yea right
[ 2005.07.22 20:55:02 ] PainBall > u guys started it
[ 2005.07.22 20:55:04 ] Natana > uncool
[ 2005.07.22 20:55:07 ] Cats > started what???
[ 2005.07.22 20:55:10 ] PainBall > no1 threatens me from carebearer alliance
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Invisible Touch
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Posted - 2005.07.26 10:44:00 -
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Acid...
Do you honestly think we would fight over this chatlog? BOTH of us?
This is for public use only.
If u ppl want to talk about the main agenda, u r welcome.
STOP the nonsence.
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2005.07.26 10:50:00 -
[39]
Originally by: ****take
Xelas Member Corps: Those who left the PA to join Xelas, were you ready to allign yourself with BoB/V and fight against your friends in the PA?
This can be resolved.
lol poor attempt
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Antrax
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Posted - 2005.07.26 10:54:00 -
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Breach of contract started way before this....NAP'ing our enemies....what were you thinking 
There is nothing you possess which I cannot take away. Too bad the Hovidos don't know you like I do Belloc. Yes to bad, you could warn them if only you spoke Hovidos. Mocomma Motuso Mobatta |
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Trefnis
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Posted - 2005.07.26 10:59:00 -
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Blades stay neutral to this PA/Xelas, but if any of the old enemies come back we will show up for the fun :]
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SirMolle
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Posted - 2005.07.26 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: Antrax
Breach of contract started way before this....NAP'ing our enemies....what were you thinking
*sigh*
Right, if you wan't to **** us off, your'e doing a good job. Now, think twice, FA is all but gone, and, we're running low on targets.
Do you *really* want us ****ed off at you?
Just say the word and we'll come park a fleet at your door. And include "please" in the request. Seriously PA, have you really no better use for Ragnars hat?
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Edoo
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Posted - 2005.07.26 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: Visser
oh plaese lay off the "it's their fault" BS
Most of PA have been ****ed about Xelas from the vary moment it was born and now you got board and desided to pick on someone weaker then you are.
your only goal here is to say "HAHA WE'RE BIGGER THEN YOU"
once again PA and GODs show how pathetic they are.
I know we are enemies and you have an urge to flame us naturally for being so but please understand... we had no lack of targets, and we weren't bored, and Xelas certainly aren't weak. We also have friends in Xelas, which is another reason we wouldn't just attack them for no reason. We were not warmongering, we just weren't going to let Xelas get away with murder.
I hope this has clarified it, and there shouldn't be need for further flames.
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Edoo - Phoenix Alliance Diplomat
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acidcharm
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Posted - 2005.07.26 11:36:00 -
[44]
Invisible Touch :
No I do not think this is just about Painball being an idiot. Simply because we would have been in the same position weeks ago. We have been ignoring the ranks of the PA. The slander, insults, and breaches in contract.
To tell you the truth I think it is the PA dictating who we can have for friends. There is no nap and you know it. Even the people you accuse us of having a nap with deny it.
Facts are the people who we have declared as friends have proven to be by far more honourable than most of what is left to the PA.
Why would you expect the Xelas Alliance to hide and behind old untruths? When we were in the PA we tried to repair damage done in the past. Why would you expect us to start yet another Alliance based on lies and doomed to fail.
The people you claim we have napped with have their own agenda. Our concern with the PA is that they will not look at the big picture, admit to mistakes of the past, and do the honourable thing.
You can not admit to them, As a result, the threat from others is in text. Again rather than accept the mistakes of the past, you try to tell us who to declare as friends and start a war.
Yep,You have our two stations in tenal. We have our strong hold. The only real thing left to say as a result of your actions is this: "Honour does not come cheap. . ." That saying came from an Ex-CEO that I once worked with .. and still think of as the most honourable man that ever entered the PA. He was the first to apologise for what happened in the past. Now my current CEO is trying to do what should have taken place long ago. If the Xelas Alliance goes down, we will go down with honour.
Take your opportunity for surrender and. . . well you know the rest!!!
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Edoo
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Posted - 2005.07.26 11:58:00 -
[45]
Originally by: acidcharm
Invisible Touch :
No I do not think this is just about Painball being an idiot. Simply because we would have been in the same position weeks ago. We have been ignoring the ranks of the PA. The slander, insults, and breaches in contract.
To tell you the truth I think it is the PA dictating who we can have for friends. There is no nap and you know it. Even the people you accuse us of having a nap with deny it.
Facts are the people who we have declared as friends have proven to be by far more honourable than most of what is left to the PA.
Why would you expect the Xelas Alliance to hide and behind old untruths? When we were in the PA we tried to repair damage done in the past. Why would you expect us to start yet another Alliance based on lies and doomed to fail.
The people you claim we have napped with have their own agenda. Our concern with the PA is that they will not look at the big picture, admit to mistakes of the past, and do the honourable thing.
You can not admit to them, As a result, the threat from others is in text. Again rather than accept the mistakes of the past, you try to tell us who to declare as friends and start a war.
Yep,You have our two stations in tenal. We have our strong hold. The only real thing left to say as a result of your actions is this: "Honour does not come cheap. . ." That saying came from an Ex-CEO that I once worked with .. and still think of as the most honourable man that ever entered the PA. He was the first to apologise for what happened in the past. Now my current CEO is trying to do what should have taken place long ago. If the Xelas Alliance goes down, we will go down with honour.
Take your opportunity for surrender and. . . well you know the rest!!!
Don't act so innocent, im going to get a screenshot of your NAP screen as soon as the server comes up. We know exactly what you have been doing, sucking up to BoB, SE, ASCN, KOS, -PH-, 5. Your 'honour' propaganda couldn't be further from the truth.
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Edoo - Phoenix Alliance Diplomat
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fl0pski
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Posted - 2005.07.26 12:00:00 -
[46]
-I am not a diplomate, I do not take any decisions about alliance or corp issues, this is just my point of view-
Originally by: acidcharm
Here is the breach of contract. . .
Painball the big Killah ... Took down a shuttle and a hauler!!
This put us in negotiation with PA for 10 hours . . to no avail..Finally we decided to let cooler heads prevail and allow PA to vote in two days time on how to handle the situation.. occ attacked that night ..
OH NO A SHUTTLE AND A HAULER?? :'(((
Only OCC? are you SURE?
[ 2005.07.23 05:12:53 ] Othnark > flop
[ 2005.07.23 05:12:53 ] Othnark > look at this ****
[ 2005.07.23 05:12:53 ] Othnark > [05:11:10] Imoshen Solomani > hi
[05:11:16] Imoshen Solomani > you do know that your kos
"Let cooler heads prevail?"
Which of you cool heads decided to lock us out from the stations?
Xelas turned hostile against PA before the PA council could even put batteries
in the random apology generator :(.
Note: This was before ANY actions were taken towards Xelas.
[ 2005.07.23 05:39:58 ] EVE System > Channel changed to P3EN-E Local Channel
[ 2005.07.23 05:40:28 ] fl0pski > lol occ kos?
[ 2005.07.23 05:40:42 ] fl0pski > do you know what you started by saying that?
[ 2005.07.23 05:40:44 ] Imoshen Solomani > PA is you declared war on us
[ 2005.07.23 05:40:58 ] fl0pski > we didnt declare anything
[ 2005.07.23 05:41:03 ] Imoshen Solomani > and painball starting killing pilots
[ 2005.07.23 05:41:12 ] EVE System > Channel changed to IPAY-2 Local Channel
PainBall started killing pilots because PA declared war?
In your world maybe.
I suddenly understand why people always yell at me not to talk in local. :)
[ 2005.07.22 20:40:48 ] Burk > PAINBALL I AM GONNA HAVE UR ASS
[ 2005.07.22 20:40:52 ] Burk > AND ALL OCC ASS
Burk, you have been cleaning the station toilets in s-eviq for 3 days now, you warmonger!
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Danielk
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Posted - 2005.07.26 12:03:00 -
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It's probably not worth posting on here just providing food for the so so bitter forum trolls.
Everyday PA animosity exacerbated by the forum trolls is growing against Xelas and whatever support Xelas did have within the PA is rapidly dwindling.
PA is getting stronger and better at leadership and members morale is getting stronger and more dedicated to the objective to remove Xelas.
Ultimately Xelas will be destroyed completely and the longer Xelas leave it the less likely they will be able to return to Tenal after hostilities have ceased.
PA, good luck we are all on your side.
Xelas, I think you should seriously consider PA's offer as posted by Shadar.
Anyone else, you going to get a reality check sooner or later if you seriously think Xelas is going to pull through this.
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Tholarim
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Posted - 2005.07.26 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: ****take
Simple Fact: Xelas set BoB/5 to positive standings WAY before any shot was fired by a PA member.
Dude you must be taking the ****. Cus this is just a load of crap. 5 has never napped with xelas. But now that you brought it up. It might not seem that bad an idea.
Hell we got the most nap's of any1 out there allready right? or was this one allreasy counted? damn... i'm confused 
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Invisible Touch
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Posted - 2005.07.26 12:21:00 -
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Acid,
Thank you for your reply.
As far as I am concerned (and Mythos for sure although I am JUST a member)we totally agree on what your xCEO said.
Honour does not come cheap.
Now we agreed on something, does it sound honourable to you saying (well to be accurate writing) that "We need to survive" when asked about your stance? Do we need the log in public?
I am sorry that your "reply" seems not answering ANY but the 1st of the 6 facts stated above. Not that you were required to answer anyway.
I personally missed the GNW. And I dont really care about what happened. Also, I personally NEVER lie. Speaking of history, I am Greek, and damn proud of it.
I also have RESPECT, I also VALUE, and I also HONOUR some (or MOST) of your corpmates I know ingame.
I am not happy about your "reply". It makes me SAD ingame.
Also, i dont use irony and sarcasm to prove a point.
And no thanks, I won't surrender EVER and I don't know the rest...
If you ever again have anything to say to me personally don't use the forums please. I think in private you will be more close to the Eve reality and maybe we can agree on more points (no irony intended)
I.T. out
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bUBbLeS
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Posted - 2005.07.26 12:48:00 -
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dont forget
there is no spoon
only sporks
how else should u eat cAKe?
Julius ceaser : "operor vos volo MCCCXXXVII laganum bUBbLeS?"
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Shadar Ishaan
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Posted - 2005.07.26 12:52:00 -
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Moderator, please close this thread.
I'm sad to see that certain members of Xelas and her allies are trying to cloud the issue at hand; I only hope that our friends in Xelas have seen our desire for peace and will accept our offer so that our friendship may continue.
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Zandramus
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Posted - 2005.07.26 12:58:00 -
[52]
WTB Instas for Venal, Tenal, Branch
Zandramus
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Exus
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Posted - 2005.07.26 13:23:00 -
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Im calling that a takeover of Tenal by Xelas. It was first a normal agreement btw both sides because we was in good relation with Xelas corps.
I understand very well why PainBall flamed up in D7 local channel past day. What Xelas exactly wants ? invade PA space with the help of many of our ennemies ? They are traitors. Its not fairplay. All people within the Cochise way of diplomacy must die, they dont have their place in our space. Guys, You will know how we defend our legit space 
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2005.07.26 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Exus
Im calling that a takeover of Tenal by Xelas. It was first a normal agreement btw both sides because we was in good relation with Xelas corps.
I understand very well why PainBall flamed up in D7 local channel past day. What Xelas exactly wants ? invade PA space with the help of many of our ennemies ? They are traitors. Its not fairplay. All people within the Cochise way of diplomacy must die, they dont have their place in our space. Guys, You will know how we defend our legit space
You do know that if it wasn't for Cochise's somewhat incredible and committed style of leadership the Pheonix Alliance would have been crushed entirely during the end of the Great Northern War and you guys would all be speaking evolution now don't you? Its a bit rich to turn around to the people responsible for keeping your alliance alive (even in name alone) and call them traitors.
Its like a bunch of children taking over an ancient castle and calling the people that built it "traitors" doesn't make any kind of sense.
"Every act of creation is first an act of destruction."
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fl0pski
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Posted - 2005.07.26 13:43:00 -
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How about we call the builders of the old castle traitors because they moved to a new castle next door and refuse to fight our shared enemies.
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rocket rider
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Posted - 2005.07.26 13:47:00 -
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with this amount of PA spin, do you guys get dizzy?
Scary thing is...do you really believe it? 
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Exus
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Posted - 2005.07.26 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Originally by: Exus
Im calling that a takeover of Tenal by Xelas. It was first a normal agreement btw both sides because we was in good relation with Xelas corps.
I understand very well why PainBall flamed up in D7 local channel past day. What Xelas exactly wants ? invade PA space with the help of many of our ennemies ? They are traitors. Its not fairplay. All people within the Cochise way of diplomacy must die, they dont have their place in our space. Guys, You will know how we defend our legit space
You do know that if it wasn't for Cochise's somewhat incredible and committed style of leadership the Pheonix Alliance would have been crushed entirely during the end of the Great Northern War and you guys would all be speaking evolution now don't you? Its a bit rich to turn around to the people responsible for keeping your alliance alive (even in name alone) and call them traitors.
Its like a bunch of children taking over an ancient castle and calling the people that built it "traitors" doesn't make any kind of sense.
no sens, you dont even understand what I try to say. You must understand that Xelas do not make it fairplay.
that ancient castle never been stronger as before since Xelas set strange standings for PA, and PainBall flamed a bit fast, but thats not the main problem IMO simply because that kind of mistakes often happend.
dont make it the main reason of the problem.
The goal of the main northern alliances was to make a united north, and PA diplomates worked hard for it. what we see now ? all our efforts destroyed by a single man who takes allies for brainless people ? nah, this kind of diplomatic relation must be banned from north. Why ? heh just because we dont want anarchy, we want a populated north with a lot of activity to make next wars more sens. Xelas destroy the castle, not our fault...
I also want to add that all the rest of that "castle" is PA and friends. Our ancetral ennemies just wait for our fall, we allready lost Xelas.
Xelas corps: do you want to move south ? 
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arjun
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Posted - 2005.07.26 15:46:00 -
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before long bob/5 will invade pa space and other northern space again. xelas leadership made abig mistake naping them. having them on blue means they will not shoot them even in venal, tenal or branch. so much for a mutual defence pact.
the szenario looks like that: 5/bob invade, and get docking and refueling rights in tenal. it might even be suspected that xelas would suddenly discover their "long lasting deep friendship" with those enemies and get hostile towards the other northern alliances.
thats treason nothing else. at least the move to set 5/bob on blue shows, that xelas was not willing to defend northern space. no backbone.
it could not be tolerated imo.
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Rodney Munch
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Posted - 2005.07.26 16:05:00 -
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I feel like taking a trip up north, I got some assests in BKG that I wanna grab.
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Cmd Woodlouse
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Posted - 2005.07.26 16:18:00 -
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I hope the TOTAL truth of the GNW will be revealed soon.
We in the PA were Peons, wasted for a lie.
And i hope some ppl will realise, what damage this had done.
Its not in my hands to reveal it, but i really do hope the appropriate person will do it...
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