PVE based sovereignty is ridiculous in a pvp environment, so what can be done maybe if ccp based low sec sovereignty on 3 aspects currently enjoyed by eve players,

Dust content already seems to affect system control.

Pvp kills also affect system control. Blow up or chase away opposing faction, then they can't control the system.

I wouldn't like kill ratio based control of a system because it discourages newbies participating, and doesn't allow for a quantity over quality approach to warfare which you would expect from Miltiias.

hopefully im putting this in the right forum section.

So I've been in faction warfare for quite some time and feel although ccp have tried to revamp and inject new life into Fw they have somewhat failed.

So with caldari losing every system at christmas and now the current onslaught of caldari plexers taking systems everywhere, what is the future for FW, burnout, tides turning every few months?

What needs to be done, well over the last few weeks ive talked to gallente/caldari fw pilots who feel CCP need to relook at the currernt state of fw,

PVE based sovereignty is ridiculous in a pvp environment, so what can be done maybe if ccp based low sec sovereignty on 3 aspects currently enjoyed by eve players,

1: 50% of contested state should be on the basis of kills between opposing militias within a system(no more no less)
2; 30% of contested state based on plexing, further plexing gives u no gains to % of contested state.
3: 20% of contested state based on dust content.

better LP gains are needed for militia kills to offset any loses due to reduced number of plexes needed, this scenerio would promote
more pvp and the reduced number of plexes would deter farmers a little.

input on this idea good or bad is appreciated.

Farmers kill fw pod them all

Lets see where to start maybe we should start about the time the new changes rolled out and the gal mil steam rolled the caldari now its the other way around seems like the problem didn't really get solved like they intended YET AGAIN. Do I want to waste THAT much time to get lp for doing nothing but rotating around a button hell no it never should have been as someone mentioned PVE in a PVP environment. Scrap the plexing altogether I don't care how just remove it and give more lp per kill. And for the incoming troll you STFU we don't care what you think. And as always I am right and you are wrong.

troll wf just trying to start a discussion. -1 for u bro.

2/10 for the troll. Try better next time.

please expand on this how would it discourage noobies

Because they're going to bring down the kill:death ratio?

I made the suggestion at one point to allow FW kills to move the contested bar. It might be a good 'in addition to' but it can never be a mandatory requirement. If the enemy decides not to engage you then you are stuck.

Regardless, from an Amarrian point of view, FW has become quite feudalist. I live in Siseide. I patrol Dal, Vard, and Lantorn in addition to my home system. I attack into Auga, Hof, and Eszur. I'll roam beyond that range when my FC calls for it.

It is incredibly difficult to push a reasonably sized group out of their home system. You need massive numbers covering a wide time zone span. We can't seem to make any progress in Auga or Eszur. Our primary adversaries likewise can't seem to push us back. There are large swaths of empty systems in the warzone. They keep flipping back and forth and will continue to do so. Even if a side focuses in and captures one of the primary enemy hubs (Kamela), the effort is so exhausting that it doesn't translate into a threat for our castle.

The two largest Minmatar alliances live three systems away from Siseide but we see them only on roams. To my eyes they operate the same way. Home system. Patrol Zone- usually within two systems. It is very feudalist in nature.

as i remember it ccp designed fw to be a transition from.pve to pvp and a stepping stone to null sec sovereignty. do u see null sec dwellers orbiting a button to take a system.no u dont. fw system as it is, is broken more then beforr. time for actual decent changes to be made. what these changes areor could be is irrelevant. but change is needed.

Everyone in FW needs to take a chill pill and look at it's features rather than its flaws. It's a free wardec that offers thousands of potential targets flying whatever ship you want to fly and you get paid in LP (and now bounties) to kill other players. You have access to lucrative missions and get paid in LP for plexing if you wish to bait for fights or hunt plexers. The mechanics offer something for everyone.

If the other side doesn't show up it will always be PvE, regardless of the mechanics. This is true in nullsec (structure grinding) and in FW (plex grinding). Oddly enough, players provide the PvP content, not mechanics. EvE is not a theme park that hands you fun, you have to make it yourself. It's not CCPs fault if players decide they don't want to fight you. Try shipping down, flying in smaller gangs, or beating chest in the enemy militias home systems if you can't get fights.

i fly mainly solo in a frig. cant ship down bro.lol i need a pod of doom.

im probably wrong but are you saying that there isnt much.point going beyond these systems due to the fw system

Everyone in FW needs to take a chill pill and look at it's features rather than its flaws. It's a free wardec that offers thousands of potential targets flying whatever ship you want to fly and you get paid in LP (and now bounties) to kill other players. You have access to lucrative missions and get paid in LP for plexing if you wish to bait for fights or hunt plexers. The mechanics offer something for everyone.

If the other side doesn't show up it will always be PvE, regardless of the mechanics. This is true in nullsec (structure grinding) and in FW (plex grinding). Oddly enough, players provide the PvP content, not mechanics. EvE is not a theme park that hands you fun, you have to make it yourself. It's not CCPs fault if players decide they don't want to fight you. Try shipping down, flying in smaller gangs, or beating chest in the enemy militias home systems if you can't get fights.

also instead of plexing gaining you ranks wouldnt it be better to have it as rank is attained through the amount of kills u get( yeah i know people could make fw alts and kill them) rank could be tied to an lp multiplier the higher the rank the mire lp u get from kill/plexes. there would need to be a isk killed value for each rank. just a lame idea maybe may help with psetting the farmers .

could help promote pvp and bring meaning to ranks in fw

Were you supposed to switch to an alt before posting that reply?

You have a point in that the pvper chasing the enemy farmers away from the plex is not as well rewarded as his fellow farmer who sits in the Plex he cleared out. But its tricky to add in-game rewards for kills when its so easy to pad your stats. Capping plexes is actually harder in that regard.

I made the suggestion at one point to allow FW kills to move the contested bar. It might be a good 'in addition to' but it can never be a mandatory requirement. If the enemy decides not to engage you then you are stuck.

Regardless, from an Amarrian point of view, FW has become quite feudalist. I live in Siseide. I patrol Dal, Vard, and Lantorn in addition to my home system. I attack into Auga, Hof, and Eszur. I'll roam beyond that range when my FC calls for it.

It is incredibly difficult to push a reasonably sized group out of their home system. You need massive numbers covering a wide time zone span. We can't seem to make any progress in Auga or Eszur. Our primary adversaries likewise can't seem to push us back. There are large swaths of empty systems in the warzone. They keep flipping back and forth and will continue to do so. Even if a side focuses in and captures one of the primary enemy hubs (Kamela), the effort is so exhausting that it doesn't translate into a threat for our castle.

The two largest Minmatar alliances live three systems away from Siseide but we see them only on roams. To my eyes they operate the same way. Home system. Patrol Zone- usually within two systems. It is very feudalist in nature.

You will never take Auga! FOR THE REPUBLIC!!!!