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Rexthor Hammerfists	Posted - 2005.07.27 08:59:00 - [1] Not long ago ive read in a Interview bout eve, that A Dev said is is so successfull, cause many of them are very experienced with designin Atmosphere ing ames etc. i ask u, the players - every1 - can u see or feel a Atmosphere in eve? i love this game, in fact im heavily addicted, even paying 3 accs is cheaper then any other addiction so ill stick to it, but it could be even better. when i play eve, especially without sound, as like every pvper has to, then its like a picture i watch that changes and i react to it. real Atmosphere would appear when id get the feeling to be IN these picture. not long ago some1 posted a trailor from another space game, which looked awesome - i can imagine even tho it must be damn much work to change many graphics, to change views, sizes and whatever is needed to bring Atmosphere in the game, ccp has todo it to stop the exodus into other games. greetz an hopin rex ;)
Lig Lira	Posted - 2005.07.27 09:19:00 - [2] I definitely can feel it, but I play with the sound on. I don't seem to get the problems that people complain about, and I pvp all the time. You can definitely feel the change in atmosphere when you go from empire to 0.0 for the first time, and I can still feel it now.
Gierling	Posted - 2005.07.27 09:20:00 - [3] Eve doesn't necessarily have an atmosphere. I'ts succesfull because it provides meanspirited people the oppurtunity to hurt others and get away with it. Honostly it would be just as successful if they marketed it as "Punch someone in the face Online" and made a sim where pressing a button actually caused other players to be punched in the face. Bastards we are lest Bastards we become.
Jebidus Skari	Posted - 2005.07.27 09:22:00 - [4] Originally by: Gierling Eve doesn't necessarily have an atmosphere. I'ts succesfull because it provides meanspirited people the oppurtunity to hurt others and get away with it. Honostly it would be just as successful if they marketed it as "Punch someone in the face Online" and made a sim where pressing a button actually caused other players to be punched in the face. uh?
Kuolematon	Posted - 2005.07.27 09:22:00 - [5] I get nice wipes each time I go to 0.0 because I know I will provide "fun and gameplay" to 14 yrl old griefers who wants free ganks. Yes thats definetly it. I want to pay game so others can enjoy it! _______________________________________________ My opinions aren't my corporations opinions. "I troll, therefor I am!" //\\ Suomi-Finland-Perkele asennetta!
Avon	Posted - 2005.07.27 09:43:00 - [6] Er... Eve is in space. Atmosphere was a poor word choice. ______________________________________________ Pay or pray..er..prey..yeah, pray you aren't prey. Er, just pay.
Neon Genesis	Posted - 2005.07.27 09:44:00 - [7] IMO Concepts like high insurance spoil the atmosphere. And added with the high amounts of isk in the game currently it's so easy to lose a ship its ridiculous. And by easy i mean you may lose 50 mil over the loss of a bs. This serves to give pvp a slighty fps feel sometimes. All i can say is thank **** u cant insure pods The ability to eat away at the time people spend acquiring things is unique to eve. And IMO having the ability to break someone or a corp financially is what gives eve its atmosphere. It's a violent and harsh game. With the dawn of lvl 4 missions and T2 the amount of isk changing hands is so much larger. __ There, i just contributed nothing to your thread
Rexthor Hammerfists	Posted - 2005.07.27 10:14:00 - [8] ur right neon, but that wasnt my point. i meant the graphics only, Atmosphere might not describe it, if some1 knows a better one let us know.
Pablos Ine	Posted - 2005.07.27 10:18:00 - [9] Originally by: Lig Lira I definitely can feel it, but I play with the sound on. I don't seem to get the problems that people complain about, and I pvp all the time. You can definitely feel the change in atmosphere when you go from empire to 0.0 for the first time, and I can still feel it now. Me 2, play with sound all the time..
Godgifu	Posted - 2005.07.27 10:31:00 - [10] EVE has an atmosphere of sorts, but it's not very strong: there's so much empty space without anything you can interact meaningfully with - no abandoned stations to explore, no curious natural phenomena to study... very little sense of wonder overall, once you get past the eye-candy fluff. The role-playing aspect is also pretty weak, it's mostly stat-driven rather than character driven; though that has more to do with the players than the game (having a ship as the main character is a game problem, though; it's all very impersonal), but not having a way to interact with the major story arc doesn't help - no way for the players to get involved in the assassination of the Amarr emperor, etc. For a tactical game, it has atmosphere, but for an RPG it's lacking.
Rexthor Hammerfists	Posted - 2005.07.27 13:03:00 - [11] god is right
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.07.27 13:11:00 - [12] Last time I felt impressed by EVE graphics & atmosphere was in BETA. Turning off all sounds & effects so you can PvP in fleet battles without graphics lag is very un-impressive... I have not used the jukebox since beta, and have not had sound turned on for over a year, except to hear the new ship voice, then I promptly turned off sound for good... CCP needs to consider a graphics upgrade in the next content patch... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE
Winterblink	Posted - 2005.07.27 13:11:00 - [13] I'd say it has atmosphere to spare for maybe two or three other games. :) I don't think I've ever played a game with this much detail stuffed into every nook and cranny. I mean zoom in on a jettison can. I can't begin to imagine how many hours someone worked on just the can. I often describe EVE as a living, breathing piece of space art. And everyone I show screenshots to thinks I'm lying when I say that it's showing actual gameplay. I think a fair portion of EVE's atmosphere comes from the sound, and it's a sad thing that so many turn it off if only to reduce the client load in huge battles. I've always loved how the further out the camera is the more low-frequency sounding everything is, and how when I zoom in real close to an NPC I can hear their radio chatter (even if they sound like some out-of-this-world version of Charlie Brown's teacher). I find this game's atmosphere to be extremely dark, extremely serious, and extremely subtle. I don't think everyone handles games like that well :) ___winterblink/warp_drive_active/eve_nature_vraie//
MOOstradamus	Posted - 2005.07.27 13:28:00 - [14] Edited by: MOOstradamus on 27/07/2005 13:28:42 Quote: Last time I felt impressed by EVE graphics & atmosphere was in BETA. Are you impotent by any chance as I'm just wondering if anything at all gets you excited ... MOOrovingian "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
Jamius	Posted - 2005.07.27 13:31:00 - [15] I think Eve has a great atmosphere, if you could keep on all the effects and sound. Problem is you can't. I leave the sound on as it runs OK in PvP with it but have to turn all other effects off. The music adds more to the atmosphere of the game than anything else though. If I have had the music down and forgotten to turn it back up it's like the game is missing something. It's incomplete without it. And a graphics upgrade. Please no. This would make things even worse. At some point in the future we will be able to have immensely detailed graphics, sound and effects with no lag. But not yet unfortunately. I would rather play a 3D game at 640x 480 with low effects and a smooth, constant frame rate than at a jigh resolution, packed with effects but a bad or variable frame rate any day. Eve with worse graphics but lots of weapons's noise and fire would make the game seem much more atmospheric and better overall I think. So CCP, downgrade the graphics instead and let us keep effects and sound at full :)
NTRabbit	Posted - 2005.07.27 13:31:00 - [16] Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists i ask u, the players - every1 - can u see or feel a Atmosphere in eve? Yes -------- irc.coldfront.com - #eve-online - Join for the people, stay for the midget wrestling
Admiral Pieg	Posted - 2005.07.27 13:39:00 - [17] Originally by: Winterblink I'd say it has atmosphere to spare for maybe two or three other games. :) I don't think I've ever played a game with this much detail stuffed into every nook and cranny. I mean zoom in on a jettison can. I can't begin to imagine how many hours someone worked on just the can. Really? When i do that all i see is a blurry mess. The only visual thing eve has going for it right now is its 2d backdrops. Other then that we have a world filled with blurry and repetitive textures, huge barren and in many cases untextured 3d spheres and low polygon static objects such as stations. Every piece of "new" content that has been implemented has followed this norm. The new 3d objects have an extremely low polygon count and laughable textures. This leaves me to believe that the engine eve runs on simply doesnt have the technical prowess to offer us anything better. Eve Online used to be beautiful but times have changed and so must eve. All they need to do is replace textures on planets and stations and add some form of atmospheric glow to planets, that alone would enhanch eve's atmosphere tenfolds. ______________ Pod from above.
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.07.27 13:59:00 - [18] Edited by: Bhaal on 27/07/2005 14:00:57 Quote: This leaves me to believe that the engine eve runs on simply doesnt have the technical prowess to offer us anything better. The engine is what? 10 years old? And yet ppl think there will be no need for EVE 2 This engine won't last forever, it's already showing its age... Quote: Are you impotent by any chance as I'm just wondering if anything at all gets you excited ... My ***** works just fine, thx for the concern. HL2 graphics impress me, EVE's no longer do... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE
Winterblink	Posted - 2005.07.27 14:02:00 - [19] Edited by: Winterblink on 27/07/2005 14:03:05 Originally by: Bhaal This engine won't last forever, it's already showing it's age... Compare it to any other MMO that's had an engine that's 10 years old, it's still very impressive. I don't think we need an EVE 2 to bring the graphics for this game to the next level. If anything, they've proven the game client to be flexible enough that it could handle a patch that does a massive graphics update as people are suggesting. It's not a bad idea, but my only reservation would be that it could force some people to upgrade to accomodate it. Not everyone's open to doing that. Originally by: Bhaal HL2 graphics impress me, EVE's no longer do... Oddly, graphics are the only thing impressive about HL2... ___winterblink/warp_drive_active/eve_nature_vraie//
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.07.27 14:04:00 - [20] Quote: Compare it to any other MMO that's had an engine that's 10 years old, it's still very impressive When ppl pay to play a game, they don't care about excuses such as these. What have you done for me lately? That's all that's going to matter if/when EVE has a direct space MMO competitor... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE
Admiral Pieg	Posted - 2005.07.27 14:10:00 - [21] Originally by: Winterblink Edited by: Winterblink on 27/07/2005 14:03:05 Originally by: Bhaal This engine won't last forever, it's already showing it's age... Compare it to any other MMO that's had an engine that's 10 years old, it's still very impressive. I don't think we need an EVE 2 to bring the graphics for this game to the next level. If anything, they've proven the game client to be flexible enough that it could handle a patch that does a massive graphics update as people are suggesting. It's not a bad idea, but my only reservation would be that it could force some people to upgrade to accomodate it. Not everyone's open to doing that. In what way have the proven the engine to be flexible? Like i said everything they just recently implemented is just as fugly as it was 2 years ago. ______________ Pod from above.
Winterblink	Posted - 2005.07.27 14:10:00 - [22] Originally by: Bhaal When ppl pay to play a game, they don't care about excuses such as these. That's a valid point, though I fear your assumption that you speak for the majority of players out there is invalid. :) I can only speak for myself and my experiences with friends, and I've found most people I know personally have all but given up on MMOs that look pretty and play like crap. Originally by: Bhaal What have you done for me lately? That's all that's going to matter if/when EVE has a direct space MMO competitor... It's interesting that not many competetors for this genre have surfaced. I can only theorize that it's just too ridiculously complicated to make a solid space MMO. Most other sci-fi ones could really be considered to be re-skinned versions of other fantasy games, but for outright space MMOs only one decently done one comes to mind: Darkspace. And hardly anyone plays that. ___winterblink/warp_drive_active/eve_nature_vraie//
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.07.27 14:18:00 - [23] Edited by: Bhaal on 27/07/2005 14:18:27 Quote: It's interesting that not many competetors for this genre have surfaced. I can only theorize that it's just too ridiculously complicated to make a solid space MMO. Most other sci-fi ones could really be considered to be re-skinned versions of other fantasy games, but for outright space MMOs only one decently done one comes to mind: Darkspace. And hardly anyone plays that. For some reason, Fantasy MMO's appeal to the masses more than Space MMO's. I think the reason behind the lack of competitors is due to marketing concerns. EVE is a niche MMO, and will never be anything more than that. I think maybe potential game developers see the Space MMO genre as a niche market, no matter how you slice it... Does not mean however that a small company such as CCP can see the benefit in stealing CCP's subscriber base... I guess we'll see if CCP ever has to deal with that. I'm confident they will have to at some point in time... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE
Trader Klyde	Posted - 2005.07.27 14:24:00 - [24] I'm with Winterblink on this one... I play with the sound turned on, and am always amazed at the detail level on the sounds growing louder the closer you zoom in. I do think some of the new tunes played during complexes should be incorporated into the jukebox though. The graphics are also detailed IMO, zooming in on just about anything gives some cool details. Anyways, to the OP... Eve could use some more stuff for players to explore and investigate in systems, without a free-warp feature it is darn hard to explore a system even when you know something is there. This would add some to the atmosphere I think. ________________________________________________ From deep in space where nobody hears my screams... Sometimes in fear, sometimes in anger, mostly just my singing style.
Admiral Pieg	Posted - 2005.07.27 14:35:00 - [25] You delusional fanboys annoy me. Eve Online should never have gotten the gfx reward. The artists that drew the 2d backdrops should, they are the only thing in this game that looks good. ______________ Pod from above.
Winterblink	Posted - 2005.07.27 14:41:00 - [26] Originally by: Admiral Pieg You delusional fanboys annoy me. I hope that wasn't directed at me. I'm not a delusional fanboy, just stating my opinion (same as you). Originally by: Bhaal For some reason, Fantasy MMO's appeal to the masses more than Space MMO's. I think the reason behind the lack of competitors is due to marketing concerns. EVE is a niche MMO, and will never be anything more than that. I think maybe potential game developers see the Space MMO genre as a niche market, no matter how you slice it... Does not mean however that a small company such as CCP can see the benefit in stealing CCP's subscriber base... I guess we'll see if CCP ever has to deal with that. I'm confident they will have to at some point in time... Sci-fi in general is still pretty much a niche market. Quality shows like Battlestar Galactica get sound design awards for Emmy nominations, and the top nods go to... Will and Grace? That sound you just heard, that was the tearing of one of the seals of the Apocalypse... Competition IS good though. Honestly, to one-up EVE would be quite a challenge when one considers just how many features are in this game. A competitor would probably end up as a sci-fi version of WoW, focusing mostly on combat and half-assing everything else. ___winterblink/warp_drive_active/eve_nature_vraie//
MOOstradamus	Posted - 2005.07.27 14:56:00 - [27] Quote: You delusional fanboys annoy me You self-righteous pompous annoy everyone else. Can I have your stuff when you **** off MOOrovingian "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
Bhaal	Posted - 2005.07.27 15:02:00 - [28] Quote: You self-righteous pompous annoy everyone else. Can I have your stuff when you **** off Dude, try some anger management classes or sumptin... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE
Admiral Pieg	Posted - 2005.07.27 15:08:00 - [29] Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: Admiral Pieg You delusional fanboys annoy me. I hope that wasn't directed at me. I'm not a delusional fanboy, just stating my opinion (same as you). Whoever actually sees "detail" when they zoom in on an object in space. Originally by: MOOstradamus Quote: You delusional fanboys annoy me You self-righteous pompous annoy everyone else. Can I have your stuff when you **** off I certainly didnt mean to offend anyone, its just that every time someone criticizes eve online theres a bandwagon of veteran players nearby, ready to go into defensive-stance and repell any attack with their fanatical and in many cases delusional arguments. <3 ______________ Pod from above.
MOOstradamus	Posted - 2005.07.27 15:11:00 - [30] /me lixx Admiral Pieg See all differences can be solved in #eve-online on Coldfront where everyone bar JC is welcome MOOrovingian "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."

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