Originally by: Exaali Vendraxxil

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PS: Lets try and get this forum back on its original track: a discussion of in-game Alliance politics and news?

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Originally by: Bared Bel'Medar

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I hate FA caused they beat up a bunch of kids. Those kids were called CFS btw.

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Originally by: Exaali Vendraxxil

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Edited by: Exaali Vendraxxil on 27/07/2005 18:04:43
Disclaimer: I am not, and have never been, affiliated with FA. I don't "care" and I
have no "horse" in the "race." I don't think I even know anyone in-game who is in FA.

That said (and the way threads on this forum usually degenerate into smack and
trolling about 1-2 posts in, i'm sad to feel it necessary), why exactly is FA the target
of so much hate? Serious question, purely out of curiosity. I've been in-game for a
little over a year, but a good portion of that time I didn't pay a whole lot of atten-
tion to Alliance politics. So please, Usual Suspects/Peanut Gallery, please fight the
undoubtedly overwhelming urge to flame this thread? Please? I'm just curious about
the history behind the conflict(s) involving FA.

PS: Lets try and get this forum back on its original track: a discussion of in-game
Alliance politics and news?

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Originally by: Eris Discordia

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We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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found it.... Gungankiller asked the question

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Originally by: thelung187

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seeing XAN/BIG in a pvp gang is like seeing Bigfoot fellating the Loch Ness Monster in the Bermuda Triangle.

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Originally by: StoreSlem

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Originally by: thelung187

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seeing XAN/BIG in a pvp gang is like seeing Bigfoot fellating the Loch Ness Monster in the Bermuda Triangle.

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Feel free to use the bob killboard to try and verify that statement.bob killboard

You see, I have this rare skill that allows me to count and compare numbers that are greater than the combined total of my fingers and toes, and can see that only 3 FA or former FA corps are listed with more kills than my own Xanadu. I do not mind you having your opinion about FA's military activities on a large, but I do take notice when you and others, bob predominantly, are unjustly singling out my corp. It is not true and easily refutable.

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Originally by: StoreSlem

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Feel free to use the bob killboard to try and verify that statement.bob killboard

You see, I have this rare skill that allows me to count and compare numbers that are greater than the combined total of my fingers and toes, and can see that only 3 FA or former FA corps are listed with more kills than my own Xanadu. I do not mind you having your opinion about FA's military activities on a large, but I do take notice when you and others, bob predominantly, are unjustly singling out my corp. It is not true and easily refutable.

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Originally by: TornSoul

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How about casting a glance at BIGs numbes while youre at it.

While not as good as Xan's, we are still in an imo respectable top third of the bunch.

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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So, err, what were you saying again? Something about being involved in kills or something?
dbp

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Originally by: Zagum Darkfin

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PVP Hate:
Basically in the beginning FA was kicking everyone's bootie with Xanadu's military wing along with FIV, Eve Marshalls, Big, ADFT, and few others. Evolution was a part of it at first also. FA had wars against CA, Russians on few occasions, Mo0, F-E and VA. FA won most of its wars up until the last 6 months. I would say PVP wise most of the hate was from the CA side and the CFS situation. FA also had an effective Pass system and Patrolled the region very well, keeping scum out most of the time. I will not go into detail about specific wars but for the most part FA won their battles.

Political Hate:
FA did most of their dealings without the public and force favorable events to happen that benifited FA. FA had a PVP wing that could back up its political muscle and people were very jealous. Give credit due, with Sastul's ( Nathan Vaughn) leadership of FA for a year or so, FA became a powerhouse. The old CA could only do forum wars against FA and FA decided not to respond in kind, so most of the forums were full of anti-FA posts without a response. Generally, people might have gotten the impression FA was bad just from reading the Forum trolls.

Economic Hate:
Due to some of my own personal efforts and others, Xanadu became one of the First Corps to own all 8 battleship BPOs and we made a killing allowing Xan to buy almost 75% of the TechII BPOs when they came out. Along with other FA corps, FA and Xanadu dominated the Tech II market for quite sometime and still do. People are jealous of FA because of this.


Due to FA's earlier successes, people have a envy problem with their achievements, be it PVP, Political, or Economic.

FA started to fall about 8 months ago when the PVP pilots decided to bolt due too many rules and donts. Without an effective PVP, all the other stuff started to pile on. I liked the FA of old, not what is has fallen to. It was a great alliance but its time is over.

Others can fill in the blanks I might have left out.

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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Edited by: DB Preacher on 27/07/2005 19:23:36

Originally by: StoreSlem

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Originally by: thelung187

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seeing XAN/BIG in a pvp gang is like seeing Bigfoot fellating the Loch Ness Monster in the Bermuda Triangle.

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Feel free to use the bob killboard to try and verify that statement.bob killboard

You see, I have this rare skill that allows me to count and compare numbers that are greater than the combined total of my fingers and toes, and can see that only 3 FA or former FA corps are listed with more kills than my own Xanadu. I do not mind you having your opinion about FA's military activities on a large, but I do take notice when you and others, bob predominantly, are unjustly singling out my corp. It is not true and easily refutable.

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Indeed, please do.

Then you will see that this month, Xanadu have participated in 11 BoB kills, 3 of which were Battleships.

Congratulations, you have about the same kill record against us this month than The Fiddler of FW Inc by himself.

So, err, what were you saying again? Something about being involved in kills or something?

dbp

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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Edited by: DB Preacher on 27/07/2005 18:05:51
An identical question was asked already in a recent thread and there were plenty of replies there.

EDIT: found it.... Gungankiller asked the question.

Why Hate FA thread?

dbp

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Originally by: Gungankllr

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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Edited by: DB Preacher on 27/07/2005 18:05:51
An identical question was asked already in a recent thread and there were plenty of replies there.

EDIT: found it.... Gungankiller asked the question.

Why Hate FA thread?

dbp

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I'm famous \o/

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Originally by: Lilan Kahn

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Fa where a bunch of big bullys invadeing a open space alliance and closeing it off, and makeing those big tax's, fa bullys polts and schems in all direktions, fa ****'s off old allys lots of hate fa dies

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Originally by: Allen Deckard

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Originally by: Lilan Kahn

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Fa where a bunch of big bullys invadeing a open space alliance and closeing it off, and makeing those big tax's, fa bullys polts and schems in all direktions, fa ****'s off old allys lots of hate fa dies

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Just currious but from what I read in another post isn't it bob's intention to also close off the space, charge for mining passes, charge taxes?

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Originally by: StoreSlem

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Originally by: thelung187

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seeing XAN/BIG in a pvp gang is like seeing Bigfoot fellating the Loch Ness Monster in the Bermuda Triangle.

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Feel free to use the bob killboard to try and verify that statement.bob killboard

You see, I have this rare skill that allows me to count and compare numbers that are greater than the combined total of my fingers and toes, and can see that only 3 FA or former FA corps are listed with more kills than my own Xanadu. I do not mind you having your opinion about FA's military activities on a large, but I do take notice when you and others, bob predominantly, are unjustly singling out my corp. It is not true and easily refutable.

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Originally by: Zagum Darkfin

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PVP Hate:
Basically in the beginning FA was kicking everyone's bootie with Xanadu's military wing along with FIV, Eve Marshalls, Big, ADFT, and few others. Evolution was a part of it at first also. FA had wars against CA, Russians on few occasions, Mo0, F-E and VA. FA won most of its wars up until the last 6 months. I would say PVP wise most of the hate was from the CA side and the CFS situation. FA also had an effective Pass system and Patrolled the region very well, keeping scum out most of the time. I will not go into detail about specific wars but for the most part FA won their battles.

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Originally by: Sochin

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I have this rare talent of actually looking at each of the kills and noticing that in almost every single case (including all battleship kills) there is only one Xanadu member represented on the killmail.

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Originally by: Sochin

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For example, on Galavet's killmail there is 9 battleships listed, but only one of them is Xanadu. Meanwhile, JuBa corp had 3 battleships in that fight (Now they've left FA) and Black Avatar had two. You can hardly claim these kills as "Xanadu Kills".

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Originally by: Dianabolic

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Originally by: Insane Angel

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Originally by: Allen Deckard

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Originally by: Lilan Kahn

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Fa where a bunch of big bullys invadeing a open space alliance and closeing it off, and makeing those big tax's, fa bullys polts and schems in all direktions, fa ****'s off old allys lots of hate fa dies

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Just currious but from what I read in another post isn't it bob's intention to also close off the space, charge for mining passes, charge taxes?

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Exactely.

Greed, Jealousy, Arrogance. Thats their reasons, having fun and other b5hit they try to feed the boards wont cover up those facts.

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I didn't realise that "because we have fun doing what we do" was a bull excuse, tbh - why else do you play this game?

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Originally by: StoreSlem

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False. I even found a battleship kill with 7 xanadu pilots on it.

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Originally by: Zagum Darkfin

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PVP Hate:
Basically in the beginning FA was kicking everyone's bootie with Xanadu's military wing along with FIV, Eve Marshalls, Big, ADFT, and few others. Evolution was a part of it at first also. FA had wars against CA, Russians on few occasions, Mo0, F-E and VA. FA won most of its wars up until the last 6 months. I would say PVP wise most of the hate was from the CA side and the CFS situation. FA also had an effective Pass system and Patrolled the region very well, keeping scum out most of the time. I will not go into detail about specific wars but for the most part FA won their battles.

Political Hate:
FA did most of their dealings without the public and force favorable events to happen that benifited FA. FA had a PVP wing that could back up its political muscle and people were very jealous. Give credit due, with Sastul's ( Nathan Vaughn) leadership of FA for a year or so, FA became a powerhouse. The old CA could only do forum wars against FA and FA decided not to respond in kind, so most of the forums were full of anti-FA posts without a response. Generally, people might have gotten the impression FA was bad just from reading the Forum trolls.

Economic Hate:
Due to some of my own personal efforts and others, Xanadu became one of the First Corps to own all 8 battleship BPOs and we made a killing allowing Xan to buy almost 75% of the TechII BPOs when they came out. Along with other FA corps, FA and Xanadu dominated the Tech II market for quite sometime and still do. People are jealous of FA because of this.


Due to FA's earlier successes, people have a envy problem with their achievements, be it PVP, Political, or Economic.

FA started to fall about 8 months ago when the PVP pilots decided to bolt due too many rules and donts. Without an effective PVP, all the other stuff started to pile on. I liked the FA of old, not what is has fallen to. It was a great alliance but its time is over.

Others can fill in the blanks I might have left out.

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Originally by: StoreSlem

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Originally by: Sochin

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I have this rare talent of actually looking at each of the kills and noticing that in almost every single case (including all battleship kills) there is only one Xanadu member represented on the killmail.

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False. I even found a battleship kill with 7 xanadu pilots on it.

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Originally by: Blind Fear

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Let me guess.

You pwned Serpentis Enforcer.

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Originally by: Stradivarious

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Originally by: Zagum Darkfin

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PVP Hate:
Basically in the beginning FA was kicking everyone's bootie with Xanadu's military wing along with FIV, Eve Marshalls, Big, ADFT, and few others. Evolution was a part of it at first also. FA had wars against CA, Russians on few occasions, Mo0, F-E and VA. FA won most of its wars up until the last 6 months. I would say PVP wise most of the hate was from the CA side and the CFS situation. FA also had an effective Pass system and Patrolled the region very well, keeping scum out most of the time. I will not go into detail about specific wars but for the most part FA won their battles.

Political Hate:
FA did most of their dealings without the public and force favorable events to happen that benifited FA. FA had a PVP wing that could back up its political muscle and people were very jealous. Give credit due, with Sastul's ( Nathan Vaughn) leadership of FA for a year or so, FA became a powerhouse. The old CA could only do forum wars against FA and FA decided not to respond in kind, so most of the forums were full of anti-FA posts without a response. Generally, people might have gotten the impression FA was bad just from reading the Forum trolls.

Economic Hate:
Due to some of my own personal efforts and others, Xanadu became one of the First Corps to own all 8 battleship BPOs and we made a killing allowing Xan to buy almost 75% of the TechII BPOs when they came out. Along with other FA corps, FA and Xanadu dominated the Tech II market for quite sometime and still do. People are jealous of FA because of this.


Due to FA's earlier successes, people have a envy problem with their achievements, be it PVP, Political, or Economic.

FA started to fall about 8 months ago when the PVP pilots decided to bolt due too many rules and donts. Without an effective PVP, all the other stuff started to pile on. I liked the FA of old, not what is has fallen to. It was a great alliance but its time is over.

Others can fill in the blanks I might have left out.

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Very much the truth, I was there for most of it(Even back in my nubly days), was a great time :)

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Originally by: Zagum Darkfin

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PVP Hate:
FA won most of its wars up until the last 6 months.

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Originally by: jamesw

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Well here's my take on the matter :P

Pilots who have been around a while may recall the events in Fountain around 18 months or so ago.

I can't remember the specifics, but basically Fountain core was locked down, and new rules were imposed. Any member corp who did not accept was shot down and booted from the alliance. Quite a few pilots have disliked FA since that time. I was not around for those events myself, but many in my corp were members at the time, and were on the receiving end of this.

Some of the booted members brought about 12 months of constant warfare in and around Fountain, causing tension within the rank and file of FA. During this time, FA still had a fair amount of military power which was used during the CFS conflict, causing more bad blood.

All of this warfare was the precursor to some of the major invasions seen by the likes of ATUK, Shinra (fresh out of the CA dissolution) and BoB. These guys now have a fair few ex FA and ex CFS names in their ranks themselves, no doubt helping to fuel the fires, and keen for some good old fashioned revenge against the high council.

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Originally by: jamesw

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ex CFS

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Originally by: Sochin

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CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.

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Originally by: Loka

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Tbh, i also think. To kill CFS was the worst FA could have done. And it was their doom. I said it 1 year ago and now it became true.

In countless meetings with FA HC i disukussed plans who i would defend their interests and will be a "meat" shield and trusted ally.

For every sentence i brough in, the outcome was "**** off". I then started to hate the arrogance of Tornsoul. I fought a fight, i never was able to win. But it was much better then beeing a meat shield for someone i dont like.

If they would have given a bit land to UFS iam pretty sure, they could have established themselfs as good allies. But FA choose the otherside and almost all UFS joined "anty FA" alliances/corps.

At the end it was less allies, due to arrogance and ignorance, but same time more enemys (old allies).

FA were once the strongest power in EVE. But no one can withstand pure hate. And with every day they made more enemys and no allies.

-> the End

Thats from my views, who i was? I was someone you had to deal with during CFS/UFS/StA and with influence. Now iam a drone and happy any FA target i am allowed to kill.

FA played a almost perfect smart game. But their arrogance brought them to fall.

"Give the folk bread and games and they will love you."

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Originally by: Loka

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FA played a almost perfect smart game. But their arrogance brought them to fall.

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Originally by: Brian Detaah

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I left FA and Xan along with stan, dread and chunk of FA pvpers. I dont think we were the direct cause of FA decline, i hardly credit us with that kind of influence (the real deathblow was biz leaving imho) - but a word on the CFS situation.

As i remember it the main beef that us would-be MACE guys had was not sympathy for the CFS, but a will to once and for all clear out the rabble and get some fun shooting them. It was FA high command and council that held their hand over CFS and protected them from bloodthirsty types like yours truely. The war was then provoked when MACE decided to use CFS as a frigtraining ground, to great effect as i recall.

CFS somehow got the idea that it was a ebil plot by FA (rather ironically) and decided to fight FA, with predictable consequences.

CFS killed itself, FA was just forced to push the corpse into the river and watch it float away. (and old CA pilots, please, you just liked the ganks, the "respect" for CFS is the fakest thing yet) In retrospect the high council was right from a strategic level, CFS did serve as a good pile of easy targets for bored pvpers that wouldnt come annoy FA, only problem was the players got bored.

Lesson: To keep up moral and ability dont let pvpers be bored :)

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Originally by: benwallace

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Originally by: Brian Detaah

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I left FA and Xan along with stan, dread and chunk of FA pvpers. I dont think we were the direct cause of FA decline, i hardly credit us with that kind of influence (the real deathblow was biz leaving imho) - but a word on the CFS situation.

As i remember it the main beef that us would-be MACE guys had was not sympathy for the CFS, but a will to once and for all clear out the rabble and get some fun shooting them. It was FA high command and council that held their hand over CFS and protected them from bloodthirsty types like yours truely. The war was then provoked when MACE decided to use CFS as a frigtraining ground, to great effect as i recall.

CFS somehow got the idea that it was a ebil plot by FA (rather ironically) and decided to fight FA, with predictable consequences.

CFS killed itself, FA was just forced to push the corpse into the river and watch it float away. (and old CA pilots, please, you just liked the ganks, the "respect" for CFS is the fakest thing yet) In retrospect the high council was right from a strategic level, CFS did serve as a good pile of easy targets for bored pvpers that wouldnt come annoy FA, only problem was the players got bored.

Lesson: To keep up moral and ability dont let pvpers be bored :)

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to add to that hes talking about cfs not dsma

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Originally by: Sochin

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CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.

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Originally by: zarc

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Originally by: Loka

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FA played a almost perfect smart game. But their arrogance brought them to fall.

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The same game Bob is playing now! Its inevitable.

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Originally by: Bizarre

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FA is no longer the old FA it once was. Back in the day, nothing could have killed us while many have tried. Even Duke Droklar's grand invasion of Fountain space was a joke (even though Enslaver tried his best to claim that it was a success against FA by posting losses suffered by Delve inhabitants and NORAD).

But times changed. Back then I was a Fountain FC and I decided to join Evolution. At the same time a large part of fountain's best pvpers left aswell to form MACE (which later on merged with ATUK). Furthermore, Finfleet went inactive which ment FA lost yet another great pvpforce (Finfleet at their prime were fking amazing). So slowly but steadily FA started losing more and more PVPers while taking in more and more mining corps.

In my opinion FA took a wrong turn after myself, stan and many others had left them. Their war against CFS was a very good thing to do by them as CFS deserved to get shot down for all the endless whining they did. But after that it went downhill. Why? Because Xanadu became inactive. Sastul was looking at other games and so were other Xanadu CEO's, while their pvpmembers started leaving. This resulted in Xanadu becoming a sleeping giant, whereas in the past it was always running the show in FA. Thus, FA was no longer moving along with politics and went to sleep while the hatred against FA kept growing and growing.

I'm willing to bet that if Xanadu had not lost all their pvpers and if their CEO's would have still been active, FA would still be on top of the game. Back then the hatred was also strong but we'd just crush everyone that tried to take us on. Now FA is no longer capable of doing that and they're being destroyed because of that.

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Originally by: Nepereta

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They ejected various corps at various times and then lined up loads of ships to anhilate the leaving corp on their way out of fountain space. In essence they are somewhat venal and dishonorable.

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Originally by: Eris Discordia

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We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.

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Originally by: Lilan Kahn

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Originally by: Nepereta

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They ejected various corps at various times and then lined up loads of ships to anhilate the leaving corp on their way out of fountain space. In essence they are somewhat venal and dishonorable.

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thats one of the minior things, you shoud realy know some of the darker stuff

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Originally by: Nepereta

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Yeah

I think one of the aspects in this game that is rarely ever forgotten is betrayal. One day you are a member of something the next day you are kicked out and then decimated by your former friends and allies. There are a lot of FA hatchets buried in a lot of backs in the Eve universe. A lot of people wanna see FA fall.

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Originally by: Zagum Darkfin

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Originally by: Nepereta

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Yeah

I think one of the aspects in this game that is rarely ever forgotten is betrayal. One day you are a member of something the next day you are kicked out and then decimated by your former friends and allies. There are a lot of FA hatchets buried in a lot of backs in the Eve universe. A lot of people wanna see FA fall.

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For the record:
Those corps who were kicked out because they were dead weight. All you did was mine or hide in Empire. Never as a corp did they make an effort to help partol or defend. 1 Pilot out of 250 members is a joke and you know it. Those corps were given 2-3 months on probation to either change their ways or leave. Those who got podded on the way out deserved it. No one likes a moocher. So don't act so dam innocent about this betrayal crap, we can see right through it. Need I say more?

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Originally by: J'inn

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Wars should be fun. Not personal.

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Originally by: Zagum Darkfin

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For the record:
Those corps who were kicked out because they were dead weight. All you did was mine or hide in Empire. Never as a corp did they make an effort to help partol or defend. 1 Pilot out of 250 members is a joke and you know it. Those corps were given 2-3 months on probation to either change their ways or leave. Those who got podded on the way out deserved it. No one likes a moocher. So don't act so dam innocent about this betrayal crap, we can see right through it. Need I say more?

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Originally by: J'inn

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My first post!! YAY!!!

I'm new and not in any alliance. However I am confused at the tenor of most of this.

Isn't this game about, partially, Corporation wars and killing off rival Corps in order to gain ground and ISK? It seems people are angry about it. Isn't that like playing a war game and getting mad about being shot at? Seems silly.

Wars should be fun. Not personal.

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Originally by: Fred0

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We were told at the beginning of a council meeting of the coupe. It was a fact and enforced by evolution patrolling the core. Noone could play over the weekend and after everyones case being reviewed we were pushed out very quickly. No second chance.

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Originally by: Fred0

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Edited by: Fred0 on 29/07/2005 14:29:46

Originally by: Zagum Darkfin

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For the record:
Those corps who were kicked out because they were dead weight. All you did was mine or hide in Empire. Never as a corp did they make an effort to help partol or defend. 1 Pilot out of 250 members is a joke and you know it. Those corps were given 2-3 months on probation to either change their ways or leave. Those who got podded on the way out deserved it. No one likes a moocher. So don't act so dam innocent about this betrayal crap, we can see right through it. Need I say more?

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That is a lie. CEI were kicked out even though I thoroughly told sastul and the xan fleet guy (biz or stan??) what we had done and kept records of our achievements in fountain. We participated in over 18% of the kills over the m0o and FE invasion and corps like AFDT and FSR who we partially flew with knew this and were astounded when I told them...

It's bull**** and the coupe was done shabbily when alot of good people was thrown out with the bad... And the probation. That's a pure figment of your imagination mate lol...

We were told at the beginning of a council meeting of the coupe. It was a fact and enforced by evolution patrolling the core. Noone could play over the weekend and after everyones case being reviewed we were pushed out very quickly. No second chance.

So, for the record you are wrong and I think you know very little about how it was, but that probably has something to do with you being in XAN during that period.

Then again. I'm rather happy it happened in hindsight.. but creative history I don't like :)

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Originally by: Nepereta

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Yeah

I think one of the aspects in this game that is rarely ever forgotten is betrayal. One day you are a member of something the next day you are kicked out and then decimated by your former friends and allies. There are a lot of FA hatchets buried in a lot of backs in the Eve universe. A lot of people wanna see FA fall.

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Originally by: Dyvim Slorm

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Originally by: Fred0

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We were told at the beginning of a council meeting of the coupe. It was a fact and enforced by evolution patrolling the core. Noone could play over the weekend and after everyones case being reviewed we were pushed out very quickly. No second chance.

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This is quite correct, I was in the FA Council, and the DE gang in MN5 where one of the incidents with CoRM took place. (Zudd did get me back later in a nice hit in Aridia )

However, Zagum is also correct in that those corps who were kicked out were felt to be either not pulling their weight, or troublesome in other ways.

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Originally by: J'inn

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My first post!! YAY!!!

I'm new and not in any alliance. However I am confused at the tenor of most of this.

Isn't this game about, partially, Corporation wars and killing off rival Corps in order to gain ground and ISK? It seems people are angry about it. Isn't that like playing a war game and getting mad about being shot at? Seems silly.

Wars should be fun. Not personal.

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Originally by: Zagum Darkfin

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Originally by: Nepereta

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Yeah

I think one of the aspects in this game that is rarely ever forgotten is betrayal. One day you are a member of something the next day you are kicked out and then decimated by your former friends and allies. There are a lot of FA hatchets buried in a lot of backs in the Eve universe. A lot of people wanna see FA fall.

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For the record:
Those corps who were kicked out because they were dead weight. All you did was mine or hide in Empire. Never as a corp did they make an effort to help partol or defend. 1 Pilot out of 250 members is a joke and you know it. Those corps were given 2-3 months on probation to either change their ways or leave. Those who got podded on the way out deserved it. No one likes a moocher. So don't act so dam innocent about this betrayal crap, we can see right through it. Need I say more?

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Originally by: Insane Angel

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We did support the destruction of the CFS. CFS at the time was not an ally due to outrageous demands for territory that they could not hold at the time, they did not even hold up to the values that they established for themselves
(except for a small percentage of corps, who left CFS and became FIX/QDF).

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Originally by: Galk

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Originally by: Insane Angel

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We did support the destruction of the CFS. CFS at the time was not an ally due to outrageous demands for territory that they could not hold at the time, they did not even hold up to the values that they established for themselves
(except for a small percentage of corps, who left CFS and became FIX/QDF).

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Thats rubbish, there were many in pb that were willing, able and had....

Outrageous.... well look at what it cost them in the end....

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Originally by: StellarSheep

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Ah and i always mad that FA never real help they allies. Really never any special help was sent.

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Originally by: Baun

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Originally by: StellarSheep

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Ah and i always mad that FA never real help they allies. Really never any special help was sent.

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I am just curious why everyone overlooks what we tried to do for NORAD .... despite the fact that they couldn't do that much to help us defend them. Does really no one remember this?

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Originally by: StiZum Hilidii

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the coup was a very disappointing day, one reason was we allowed afdt to stay and then every one in the council got cold feet and let people back in. we should have thrown like 60% of fa out that day but we didnt



big disappointment

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Originally by: Nyk0n

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Originally by: StiZum Hilidii

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the coup was a very disappointing day, one reason was we allowed afdt to stay and then every one in the council got cold feet and let people back in. we should have thrown like 60% of fa out that day but we didnt



big disappointment

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Strange isnt it that those who were kicked develeped there hate for the fa because they were unfairly kicked out, yet many of those ejected are now flying with the very people that instigated that ejection?

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Originally by: Mr Blackwell

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Heheh im back!!!!!

Watch out the Love Boat is back in business,i really miss the old days with the old ppl in Fountain,it was awesome ppl and still are even if we are not in the same aliance or whatever.Bizarre thx for those words m8 and hopefully i will hear your sexy voice again :)..

Remember one thing ppl.....
Make love not war!!!!

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Originally by: Mr Blackwell

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Heheh im back!!!!!

Watch out the Love Boat is back in business,i really miss the old days with the old ppl in Fountain,it was awesome ppl and still are even if we are not in the same aliance or whatever.Bizarre thx for those words m8 and hopefully i will hear your sexy voice again :)..

Remember one thing ppl.....
Make love not war!!!!

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Originally by: Mr Blackwell

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Heheh im back!!!!!

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Originally by: Mr Blackwell

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Heheh im back!!!!!
Make love not war!!!!

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Originally by: Baun

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Originally by: StellarSheep

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Ah and i always mad that FA never real help they allies. Really never any special help was sent.

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I am just curious why everyone overlooks what we tried to do for NORAD .... despite the fact that they couldn't do that much to help us defend them. Does really no one remember this?

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