Originally by: Mordineus

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Originally by: Edoo

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....lying about being a non-combatant ship (you had a warp scrambler fitted)...

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I am a bit confused here, is it now considered an act of piracy to carry a warp scrambler fitted to your ship? Is it the official posistion of the PA that having one fitted to your ship when in the same system as a member of a PA corp is an act of agression that will rightly result in being ransomed/killed ?

I would like an official posistion on this to clear up any future misunderstandings.

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Originally by: M'Ar Duk

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Edited by: M''Ar Duk on 28/07/2005 17:14:02

Originally by: HonorHarrington

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PA are pure pirates. They are constantly patroling our space looking for haulers and miners

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Seconded; they even use such charming tactics as false-flagging themselves as ASCN (painball), despite the visible 'Phoenix Alliance' tag above the pilot's bio. An excellent example of honesty and integrity!

And to the inevitable responders, yes, I know the actions of a single pilot don't reflect the entire alliance blah blah, I just don't care - the only PA I ever see are the ones in our space dodging combat pilots whilst looking for haulers, thus this may as well be the entire organzation.

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Originally by: Nataboo

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Very simple here PA. The only post that really should have been was 'We are sorry MeatHelmetz. Please let us know what was lost and it will be replaced. We at the PA do not practice piracy and strictly punish it. We can assure you that this won't happen again.'

Then you should have taken the offenders in their best ship and gave them a swift podding. How sad that JF is the one giving MeatHelmetz isk then the PA or the pilot.

These are the simple facts. And unless MeatHelmetz locked your pilots they should not have shot. You never know when you are waking a sleeping giant. But you guys are again good today for another laugh on how you handle these issues.

You guys must have a check list of what you can do to **** off the majority of players that can clean house.

* Declare an unjustified war .... done
* Kill non-combatants ....done
* ???????

I am sure others can ad to this list but come one, someone grow up in the PA. But I doubt that will happen, this will be proved by additional PA posts in response to this one.?

MeatHelmetz Contact me in game. I would love to assist you anyway I can. Some ISK (though I am a rather new char), etc..

Thank you,

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Originally by: Wraeththu

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Edited by: Wraeththu on 28/07/2005 23:33:00

Originally by: Darken Two

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How can you label someone as a pirate when you believe there is no such thing as pirate. Basically you wear your badly thought out logic on your arm like a badge. You seem to revel more in your hypocricy than anyone else here.

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One alliance declares themselves "anti-pirate". A member of that alliance then attacks another person on the guise of being a "pirate" due to having a scram fitted. He then ransoms the guy, which is (based on the criminal forum here on Galnet) considered a "piratical" action.

So, by Eve's definitions, a pilot who's a member of an anti-pirate alliance engaged in piratical activity, and used piracy as the reasoning to do it, in an area in which is alliance had no jurisdiction

Hence the hypocracy.

Substitude "Ninja" for pirate, and it's exactly the same thing. Pilot A is a member of an "anti-ninja" organization. Who then commences ninja activities under the guise of anti-ninja enforcement.

If it's still hard for you, I can just keep coming up with different jobs and classifications for you until it makes sense. I'm a big fan of education.

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Originally by: Nataboo

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Edoo,

Wish no ills toward you or anyone. Just a couple more things.
1. Good to know an apology was made, thought it wasn't.
(better to state that in the beginning)
2. Sorry if I was incorrect on the facts. I am sure you have been wrong before. (I am sure I may have been partially incorrect. not all though)

3. No need to call me names though by inferring that I am acting childish.

4. Don't assume that I don't know what I am talking about. You never know how much I know. (hey that kinda rymes)

All I was hoping to see is if the PA acts according to what it claims to value. I know I do, and my corp does. thats what matters.

best wishes,

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