Sorry you feel that way.

I am also sorry GÇÿProspective Logi PilotGÇÖ feel he was judged harshly, as I field and respond to easily over 100 fits a day, I have had to boot quite a few people from the ISN channel for not be willing to fit as expected, but willing to argue the point, ad infinitum, that the requirements are unnecessary.

So first as GÇÿProspective Logi PilotGÇÖ pointed out that the fit can be stable with Implants I will agree it can, but seems improbable that someone would spend a well over 3 times the cost of T2 rigs for a set of implants, while not being willing to invest the same into a ship.

Secondly as logistics are responsible for keeping a fleet alive, and in ISNGÇÖs case that means over 100billion ISK for a VG fleet, I would not feel confident letting in a pilot not willing to invest in the best possible fit to ensure the other guys safety and performance.

Third even if GÇÿProspective Logi PilotGÇÖ had the Implants there is no way to confirm that, but to give GÇÿProspective Logi PilotGÇÖ the benefit of the doubt I copied the fit into EVE-HQ and then set up the implants on a maxed skilled clone. Getting 7 minutes and change as the cap time, this is more than enough cap to keep a VG fleet alive as the site only lasts 6 minutes, but it is still a matter of taking GÇÿProspective Logi PilotsGÇÖ word for it with no proof.

Forth GÇÿIncursion SHINY NetworkGÇÖ

And finally, I set the ban for 12 hours, but I will remedy that now.

Over the last 4 days I have had the unfortunate job of booting one pilot from fleet for fielding a ship that was not fit even remotely like the one he posted, and two logistics pilots that had wh0re guns in a high slot, and last but not least one pilot that was a scout for a hilarious disco ball Gank attempt on TVP a week ago. As well as 15 other pilots for various reasons.

With so many maxed ships in a fleet letting in one DPS that is substandard is a marginal change, whereas letting in a 4 link Scimi whose responsibility is to provide tracking bonuses to 4 DPS and safety to an entire fleet, all for an investment of less than one tenth of a DPS ship, should be self evident. So it shouldnGÇÖt be too much to ask that logistics be given the same attention to GÇÿmaxingGÇÖ as the DPS ships.

So once again I am sorry if GÇÿProspective Logi Pilot GÇÿfeels like he was judged harshly, and I hope GÇÿProspective Logi PilotGÇÖ found a home less shiny and more in tune with his temperament.

So I wanted to try Incursions sometime because they sound like a lot of fun.... but this thread makes my head hurt. I had been away from Eve for 4 years and there were no incursions back then.

A few questions:

- Are there any new player friendly armor tanking groups? You mention Eve Uni, do they run incursions for members only or have some sort of public classes?

- How often are members of the non-super-fancypants groups losing ships? (I'm poor)

- Is it always '1 billion + faction ships / Marauders or GTFO'? Is an Apocalypse Navy Issue suitable for incursions?

-Do people actually have fun doing these things or is it all 'rah rah ISK/hour' stress time?

I'm gonna be totally honest here and say that reading through this thread is giving me all kinds of 'gearscore / DPS meter / PUG' flashbacks from that other game.

[ I fly with ISN often which is why I am in the channel. Most of the pilots are awesome. Some of their leadership are capable of making mistakes though, even if not capable of admitting that.

#30 Posted: 2013.02.25 15:05 | Report | Edited by: 7'62 SKS
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So far my favorite parts of this delicious ISN tear-fest are:

#5 ISN complaining that DIN does not "contest in a 'fair' way". So... much... irony.

#4 ISN complaining that DIN has to "cheat to win" by "blobbing". Funny because carebears using a common a PVP tears term to cry about PVE is loltastic.

#3 Goldiee falling back on his stale "up your meds or reduce them whatever works" insult that he always uses.

#2 ISN baffled that anyone would use a contest tactic that fails to maximize ISK return. Only carebears would fail to see the value in spending time for pure tears profit instead of ISK.

But the best part of all remains...

#1 ISN starting this thread in the first place to provide all of these wonderful shiny tears.