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Posted - 2013.11.04 15:16:00 -
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Anya Klibor wrote:Sexy Cakes wrote:Can someone explain to me why the incursion communities are constantly at each others throats these days and insist on shutting off the ISK faucet just to spite each other? Because they can be. There's a lot of ego that remains unchecked from the major communities--DIN, ISN, ICU, etc. Some of it is warranted. However, there comes a time when that needs to be reigned in, and this past week several active mercenaries got in touch with the major groups and said, "We see you playing games and affecting us, we'll respond." Hence why Incursions remain active right now, as they did this past weekend and they probably will this coming weekend. It used to be that DIN, ISN, ICU, etc. would each go to a different Incursion area and "claim" it. The MOM wouldn't be popped until the area was in withdrawal. That has changed over the past seen-ish months, with DIN, ISN, and ICU contesting each other, and the contested entity throwing the equivalent of a hissy-fit. The smaller groups such as WTM, WIN, and RKI are terrific if you want to avoid the hassle of the drama.
Part of this is correct and part of it is not.
Actually people feel satisfaction from different things in game. While most people set up for themselves goals to achieve, like earn XXX amount of ISC, build ship / corporation / alliance; take and control certain area of game universe...... there will always be people who feel good and important only when they draw attention of others, and the fastest way to get it is to hurt others, to interrupt those who are on their way to their goal. Later on those, who got hurt and took it personally start hunting and hurting their griefers in return and in the end there might be several big communities that are involved in the same activity, but have their own goals and these goals are not only different, but sometimes they are hostile by default toward the goals of other community.
In case of Incursions, there are about 7 big communities, that are doing HQ sites on regular basis and way more smaller groups that are doing other sites. And if we'd take into account only these "big players", most of them have different goals, or open conflicts with each other:
ISN for example is concentrated on drawing pilots with "shiny" pimped pirate BS and reaching the top ISC/h. The easiest way to do that is to find a weaker fleet, which allows new players with weaker ships to fly in their fleets and as result can't effectively contest them. Then just follow that fleet to each site, contest them over and earn ISC twice as fast while leaving other fleet with nothing. And no, ISN is not interested in pushing the weaker fleet out of HQ systems to the AS or VG, as that would mean that there will be no "slave fleets" to earn ISC for them and then they'll be simply unable to earn the ISC/h which they promise to their members - it's simply not achievable without above mentioned mechanics of contesting others.
In their own turn ISN have been contested by DIN-Flotten in the past and they have a lot of grudge against each other DIN contested ISN, then ISN contested DIN, and Later DIN got stronger and returned favor again.... and this goes on. At the present stage neither one of these two can have 100 % guarantee to contest each other, thus DIN prefer to stay on a different focus and avoid conflicts with ISN, but if ISN come to the same focus and start to mess, DIN usually close the focus saying "donGÇÖt mess with us or we'll mess with you the way that you won't like yourselves". And this is not because DIN can't contest - they can, and they have done it and won the contests - but their politics is to stay out of contest and earn ISC by themselves, not using "slave fleets". Therefore DIN often take attempts to control spawns of incursions to assure that there would always be at least two active incursions in High sec and there would not be need to get into conflict with ISN.
But when DIN try to control the spawns, they get into conflict with TVP and WTM communities, that concentrate on farming incursions 24/7 and are not interested in changing focus more often that it's absolutely necessary, therefore they are getting angry, that someone is doing something not according to their plans of 24/7 farm and rage pop moms to show that they can have influence as well. And while goals of TVP and WTM are almost similar they are in conflict with each other as well as they have been the same community and have split due to the internal conflicts, so they are not interested in well being of each other as well :-)
If all those things would not be enough, there are couple more players on the board: two Russian speaking communities RAISA and GIP Inc these two again could have share the same interests and goals, but there's predefined conflict as the founders of these communities have had an old conflict while being all members of GIP Inc which resulted in splitting and opening a new community RAISA, which eventually have overgrown GIP in member count (and is actually second biggest incursion community now), but conflict still remains and these two channels are competing over player base (it only makes it harder that both channels are Russian speaking), over sites and so on and therefore they are not interested in flying in the same constellation as well.
While all this pot of egos and interests boils hot, there is one more big player - The Ditanian Fleet. The biggest and almost the only one of it's kind the armor community. They seemingly are neutral and do not have conflicts with other communities as they don't compete over pilots with "shieldies", but again they did not like, when other communities started closing the incursions and added their rage into conflict as well, saying "Don't forget - we can do it too" :-)
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