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Anjerrai Meloanis
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Posted - 2005.07.28 18:59:00 -
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Hey, i just thought id ask if anyone felt the same that its a bit lame how you can only attack ppl at gates effectively with a bs really, i think if they made it so the sentries couldnt insta frag frigs pirating would actually be do-able in a way..
Currently you have to use a bs or sometimes a hac to do this, and its not even pirating, its ganking, actual pirating is too hard to do in eve, there needs to be some sort of system implemented or something..
I am yet to come across any -10.0 char to actual ransom me for isk, it seems to just be ganking..
Are there actually any pirates in eve at all? Or is it just too hard to actually pirate now?
I dont pirate myself so any actual "pirates" to reply to this would be muchly appreciated 
uh.
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Drosssk
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Posted - 2005.07.28 19:12:00 -
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There are a few "real" pirates in eve. Id like to consider myself one of them. However, most of the time it simply saves time and effort to just gank a guy. At gates in low sec there isnt even an option, by the time you could start a convo sentries would already be half way through your armor.
And myself personally I only started ransoming ships again about 2 weeks ago because for months prior id just get a nice "**** you" if I tryed.
The main reason people simply resort to ganking though is because the vast majority of people going through a system will not even touch a celestial object / belt / complex. So if your bored the only thing left is warp out killing at gates.
A big factor for this in my opinion is that the map is WAY too limited to players under -5. We cant move around a whole lot. And all the low secs we want to get to are either pocket systems or take 100+ jumps through 0.0. So im forced into pretty much the same routine as are most other pirates. Just my 2 cents.
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Macel
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Posted - 2005.07.28 19:35:00 -
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Gates are where most people are vulnerable in eve. If you make most people vulnerable in some other place, they're just going to complain about 'ganking' there instead of at the gates.. Doesnt matter where it happens really...
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Burnhard Brutor
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Posted - 2005.07.28 20:17:00 -
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 Originally by: Drosssk
There are a few "real" pirates in eve. Id like to consider myself one of them. However, most of the time it simply saves time and effort to just gank a guy. At gates in low sec there isnt even an option, by the time you could start a convo sentries would already be half way through your armor.
And myself personally I only started ransoming ships again about 2 weeks ago because for months prior id just get a nice "**** you" if I tryed.
The main reason people simply resort to ganking though is because the vast majority of people going through a system will not even touch a celestial object / belt / complex. So if your bored the only thing left is warp out killing at gates.
A big factor for this in my opinion is that the map is WAY too limited to players under -5. We cant move around a whole lot. And all the low secs we want to get to are either pocket systems or take 100+ jumps through 0.0. So im forced into pretty much the same routine as are most other pirates. Just my 2 cents.
Cool. If you guys are bottled up in a few systems, then I think it's all good.
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infused
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Posted - 2005.07.28 20:18:00 -
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Gate camping rules. I love it. Espically when you pop a hauler with 500m of mins in it 
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Layrex
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Posted - 2005.07.28 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: infused
Gate camping rules. I love it. Espically when you pop a hauler with 500m of mins in it
It is not just 'a hauler' though. That is a real human being who's evening you just ruined.
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Velsharoon
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Posted - 2005.07.28 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Drosssk
There are a few "real" pirates in eve. Id like to consider myself one of them. However, most of the time it simply saves time and effort to just gank a guy. At gates in low sec there isnt even an option, by the time you could start a convo sentries would already be half way through your armor.
And myself personally I only started ransoming ships again about 2 weeks ago because for months prior id just get a nice "**** you" if I tryed.
The main reason people simply resort to ganking though is because the vast majority of people going through a system will not even touch a celestial object / belt / complex. So if your bored the only thing left is warp out killing at gates.
A big factor for this in my opinion is that the map is WAY too limited to players under -5. We cant move around a whole lot. And all the low secs we want to get to are either pocket systems or take 100+ jumps through 0.0. So im forced into pretty much the same routine as are most other pirates. Just my 2 cents.
quotes cos its true, theres no one in the belts and its to hard to ransom at a gate, thio i havent tried it in a scorp which is on my to do list
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Aadarm
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Posted - 2005.07.28 20:48:00 -
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If they woulda been careful they would've have lost that 500M of mins so it is JUST a hauler.
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XKittyX
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Posted - 2005.07.28 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: Layrex
It is not just 'a hauler' though. That is a real human being who's evening you just ruined.
But I bet it gave his heart a workout.
And I bet he won't be making that stupid mistake again.
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XKittyX
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Posted - 2005.07.28 22:31:00 -
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Back on topic... there's some true pirate corps out there who are very well respected. It is a hard life though so the shoot and loot lifestlye is generally prefered amongst the PVP fraternity. Corps such as TunDraGon, Teddybears, S******dly etc are pretty old skool.
CCP could fix it to make pirating a more viable option instead of killing and that'd be to the benefit of pirate corps and the ships who'd otherwise get killed. But right now gate camping in low-sec is either BS tanking or sniping from long range. Belt piracy is possible but it takes a whole lot of patience.
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2005.07.28 23:03:00 -
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Damnit "Gate camping" is PIRACY! You make no isk ransoming small ships mining in belts. You make no isk popping NPCers in smaller ships in belts. Sometimes you can but most of the time you dont. Ok Understand that?
Piracy has ALWAYS been about destroying people by brute force. That means hitting TRADE RUNS. If you don't know what the **** a trade run is then why are you speaking on the topic. Matter of fact why are non-pirates saying a style is not piracy? Gate camping people is PIRACY. It might be lame and stupid to you... But it's piracy. Hitting haulers from gate -> station is piracy... Get it through your simple heads.
Now you ask about "BS" being the only ones to tank the sentry guns. This is NOT TRUE once again. We just recently had more tank mods UPPED in the patch as well. You can tank Sentry Guns (I's not II's) with a ship as small as a CRUISER. Like the MALLER for example. It has "Armor Resistance" bonuses per level for god sakes. So you can TANK the sentry guns for a SHORT time and STILL destroy a HAULER. (Trade Runs = Haulers).
You also have the Battlecruiser like the Prophecy and Ferox who can do it great. But it's just easier to go Battleship for longer lasting fights and of course able to destroy bigger targets if you plan to TANK not snipe.
-Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
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Ikvar
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Posted - 2005.07.28 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: XKittyX
I bet he won't be making that stupid mistake again.
Come on Kitt, you know that isn't true (90% of the time)
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Deepeh
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Posted - 2005.07.28 23:37:00 -
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Originally by: Ikvar
Originally by: XKittyX
I bet he won't be making that stupid mistake again.
Come on Kitt, you know that isn't true (90% of the time)
Hey pal, get back to pooning people! You're doing great. :]
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infused
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Posted - 2005.07.29 00:48:00 -
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Originally by: Layrex
Originally by: infused
Gate camping rules. I love it. Espically when you pop a hauler with 500m of mins in it
It is not just 'a hauler' though. That is a real human being who's evening you just ruined.
It's not my fault someone is so stupid that he carrys 500m of mins with no tank or escort.
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Jane Vladmir
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Posted - 2005.07.29 01:50:00 -
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I agree. Pirating in an interceptor/Assault frigate, in empire, would be awesome.
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infused
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Posted - 2005.07.29 02:08:00 -
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Btw, this is what I mean by stupid:
This person then said his alliance is going to war dec us... I mean comon... if you are going to carry this much stuff, protect it.
Destroyed items:
Type: 10MN Afterburner I (Cargo)
Quantity: 1
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Quantity: 98
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Empty.
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Quantity: 2
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Quantity: 1
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Quantity: 2
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Type: 50mm Reinforced Nanofiber Plates I (Cargo)
Quantity: 1
Type: Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners (Cargo)
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Type: Morphite (Cargo)
Quantity: 41
Type: Ammatar Navy Sergeant Insignia III (Cargo)
Quantity: 2
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Quantity: 1
Type: Small Secure Container (Cargo)
Type: Obliterator F.O.F. Cruise Missile I Blueprint
Type: Micro Auxiliary Power Core I Blueprint
Type: XLarge Shield Booster I Blueprint
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Type: Dragon F.O.F. Cruise Missile I Blueprint
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Quantity: 1
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Quantity: 1
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Type: Battlecruisers
Quantity: 2
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Quantity: 4
Type: Inferno Torpedo I Blueprint (Cargo)
Type: Cap Recharger I (Cargo)
Type: Cap Recharger I (Cargo)
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Quantity: 1
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Quantity: 1
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Quantity: 1
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Quantity: 2
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Quantity: 1
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Layrex
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Posted - 2005.07.29 02:09:00 -
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So a magical fairy takes hold of your keyboard, locks that person and presses all the F keys then?
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infused
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Posted - 2005.07.29 02:16:00 -
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Originally by: Layrex
So a magical fairy takes hold of your keyboard, locks that person and presses all the F keys then?
?
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Razner Cerizo
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Posted - 2005.07.29 03:15:00 -
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Originally by: Layrex
So a magical fairy takes hold of your keyboard, locks that person and presses all the F keys then?
Yes. The magical piracy fairy did that to me recently, I ended up opening fire on an inty in a .6 system while I was piloting a cruiser D:<
Nerf the magical piracy fairy.
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Blind Fear
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Posted - 2005.07.29 04:06:00 -
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Originally by: infused
Btw, this is what I mean by stupid:
This person then said his alliance is going to war dec us... I mean comon... if you are going to carry this much stuff, protect it.
Its a hauler filled with worthless crap.
I wouldnt bother getting a scout for it either. Most of it will just get shredded for minerals anyway.
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infused
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Posted - 2005.07.29 04:32:00 -
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Originally by: Blind Fear
Originally by: infused
Btw, this is what I mean by stupid:
This person then said his alliance is going to war dec us... I mean comon... if you are going to carry this much stuff, protect it.
Its a hauler filled with worthless crap.
I wouldnt bother getting a scout for it either. Most of it will just get shredded for minerals anyway.
What? I made over 100m out of that hauler.
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Blind Fear
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Posted - 2005.07.29 04:33:00 -
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Originally by: infused
What? I made over 100m out of that hauler.
I guess you're lucky everything of value survived then.
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infused
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Posted - 2005.07.29 04:36:00 -
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Originally by: Blind Fear
Originally by: infused
What? I made over 100m out of that hauler.
I guess you're lucky everything of value survived then.
Normally atleast something good makes it out alive... mostly it was mins and local hull expanders... which are nice.
I've never had a hauler pop and lose everything good. Something good always remains, for me anyway 
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Kaleeb
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Posted - 2005.07.29 05:38:00 -
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Ransoming at a gate is diffcult, but possible. 90% of the time i blow people up (at gates) I have ransomed twice at gates first a raven for 40mil and then a CN Raven for 500mil, although myself and my corpmate almost died on that occasion
What i think we need is to be able to have some form of automatic cargo scanner, as with the hauler in the above post could have been ransomed for a few mil and let a fortune get away by mistake.
If sentries could be jammed that would be interesting
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2005.07.29 07:19:00 -
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Edited by: Famine Aligher''ri on 29/07/2005 07:20:50
All you really need is a wingman in something like a vigil. Using scanning mods is not hostile so they can sit there and scan away. It would actually bring more skill to your trade than what most would do. Guess it would be something to be proud of in your job. Pilots working together relyaing infomation on TS or something. While you do it as quickly as possiable. Being timing is everything in that form of piracy/gate camping. Named Cargo/Ship Scanners would actually be worth something then snicker.
That's how me and my fiance do it atleast. When she is on, I sit there and she scans. I judge my actions based on the information she gives me. So I better my chances to get more isk from ships that would give no isk if I just blew there ship up. Something that sniping from gates can't do. =)
-Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
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wild Ari
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Posted - 2005.07.29 08:31:00 -
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also - alwasy carry a good amount of spiced wine and spirits.
when you get ransomed just drop the wine and spirits.
Proof
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infused
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Posted - 2005.07.29 10:30:00 -
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I agree on the auto cargo scanner... would stop me poping n00bs. You never know with them.
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Posted - 2005.07.29 11:06:00 -
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Edited by: Keta Min on 29/07/2005 11:08:55
i think sentry response should be scaled depending on ship class. it doesn't add security to a system if battleships can pirate at gates but frigs can not. the other way around would be more fun and more sane.
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Hans Roaming
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Posted - 2005.07.29 11:28:00 -
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Something that might make ransoming work is to have mobile warp disrupters that work by ripping someone out of warp between gates. That way you could be in the middle of nowhere doing an ambush, of course it also means you could have a bunch of hostiles come and drop out of warp too. :)
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Embattle
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Posted - 2005.07.29 19:20:00 -
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Why would you exist without these so called stupid people 
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Anjerrai Meloanis
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Posted - 2005.07.29 19:22:00 -
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I reckon there should be an actual system to ransom/get people to jettison cargo.. rather than implementing the mini professions of "hacking" and "archeology" we should get one of the main professions looked at?
uh.
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Anjerrai Meloanis
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Posted - 2005.07.29 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Embattle
Why would you exist without these so called stupid people
I dont understand your reply..
uh.
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Jelosavich
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Posted - 2005.07.29 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: infused
Originally by: Layrex
Originally by: infused
Gate camping rules. I love it. Espically when you pop a hauler with 500m of mins in it
It is not just 'a hauler' though. That is a real human being who's evening you just ruined.
It's not my fault someone is so stupid that he carrys 500m of mins with no tank or escort.
Yeah, if I rip off someone's car radio in a parking lot, it's his own fault for leaving it there and not protecting it
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Verone
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Posted - 2005.07.29 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: XKittyX
Originally by: Layrex
It is not just 'a hauler' though. That is a real human being who's evening you just ruined.
But I bet it gave his heart a workout.
And I bet he won't be making that stupid mistake again.
^^what the baldy one said^^
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Domalais
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Posted - 2005.07.29 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Jelosavich
Yeah, if I rip off someone's car radio in a parking lot, it's his own fault for leaving it there and not protecting it
Oh yeah I forgot EVE was real life.
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Anjerrai Meloanis
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Posted - 2005.07.29 20:01:00 -
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enough of the rolling eyes hehe, the constructive posts are all that need to be read thanks, im not whining therefore no-one else should be.
uh.
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Jelosavich
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Posted - 2005.07.29 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Domalais
Originally by: Jelosavich
Yeah, if I rip off someone's car radio in a parking lot, it's his own fault for leaving it there and not protecting it
Oh yeah I forgot EVE was real life.
You are still destroying/taking what someone took time to get in real-life, so what's the difference? You say because it's just digital, it doesn't matter? Another digital game, magic:online, if someone stole cards from another person, that's still theft, it doesn't matter that it's "just digital."
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Amox
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Posted - 2005.07.29 20:51:00 -
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Edited by: Amox on 29/07/2005 20:52:05
Originally by: Jelosavich
Originally by: Domalais
Originally by: Jelosavich
Yeah, if I rip off someone's car radio in a parking lot, it's his own fault for leaving it there and not protecting it
Oh yeah I forgot EVE was real life.
You are still destroying/taking what someone took time to get in real-life, so what's the difference? You say because it's just digital, it doesn't matter? Another digital game, magic:online, if someone stole cards from another person, that's still theft, it doesn't matter that it's "just digital."
Because being behind the keyboard they dont have to answer for their lack of morals? Or maybe its just plain ole fun?
I bet its the second option. CUZ its a game?
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2005.07.29 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Anjerrai Meloanis
Edited by: Anjerrai Meloanis on 29/07/2005 19:17:22
Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
Damnit "Gate camping" is PIRACY! You make no isk ransoming small ships mining in belts. You make no isk popping NPCers in smaller ships in belts. Sometimes you can but most of the time you dont. Ok Understand that?
Piracy has ALWAYS been about destroying people by brute force. That means hitting TRADE RUNS. If you don't know what the **** a trade run is then why are you speaking on the topic. Matter of fact why are non-pirates saying a style is not piracy? Gate camping people is PIRACY. It might be lame and stupid to you... But it's piracy. Hitting haulers from gate -> station is piracy... Get it through your simple heads.
Now you ask about "BS" being the only ones to tank the sentry guns. This is NOT TRUE once again. We just recently had more tank mods UPPED in the patch as well. You can tank Sentry Guns (I's not II's) with a ship as small as a CRUISER. Like the MALLER for example. It has "Armor Resistance" bonuses per level for god sakes. So you can TANK the sentry guns for a SHORT time and STILL destroy a HAULER. (Trade Runs = Haulers).
You also have the Battlecruiser like the Prophecy and Ferox who can do it great. But it's just easier to go Battleship for longer lasting fights and of course able to destroy bigger targets if you plan to TANK not snipe.
You are so wrong imo, and why you are swearing at me about trade runs i dont know, you moan at me for commenting on something i know nothign about yet youre no "pirate" either..
I specifically asked people that were in the line of the "piracy" profession to give me their views, your flaming does not count
if your idea of piracy is "blow up random targets" i believe youre wrong, in some cases thats correct but i think piracy is about earning a living through extreme and outlawish means, acquiring goods etc, ganking people often destroys 500k zydrine..
You're not a pirate so why does your opinion even count?
Noone said it was about just blowing up random targets. But why the hell not, everyone who flies a ship could have possiable loot. Noone said, we don't try to ransom... But destroying a ship to get loot to sell is a form of piracy. You're like saying it isn't. When indeed it is. Yes, stuff gets destroyed, yes people DONT PAY RANSOMS, and yes it's just easier to blow them up to get that 500k of zyd. It doesn't mean we arn't pirates because we decide to blow you up.
Piracy - Isk by brute force on another ship.
Remember we are criminals. Not honorable souls who think it's bad to gank you in a shuttle. Pirates do lay claim to SPACE. So if you happen to run your little shuttle over there and you get podded. You know why... It's also about space control as well isk. Like EVE was ment to be.
Again, save your opinions for your weak alliance that supposly is "Roleplay".
-Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
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infused
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Posted - 2005.07.29 23:44:00 -
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I'll pop any hauler that comes through the gate. I dont care how old they are, 1-2 weeks...
Why? We poped a newbie carying over 100m of loot... obviously not a newb.
Also, they are stupid carrying this stuff with out an escort. It's the same in America when they transport gold. You think they shove it on the back of a truck and travel across America?
Don't think so mate.
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Anjerrai Meloanis
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Posted - 2005.08.01 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Anjerrai Meloanis
ganking..
I dont pirate myself so any actual "pirates" to reply to this would be muchly appreciated
Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
You're not a pirate so why does your opinion even count?
my opinion counts as its my opinion, the same way as your opinion counts, even though it is a little childish...
and to personally insult the ushrakhan for no reason at all? i take it insulting people over the internet is your bag..
anyways, thanks for your honest opinions, but having to do piracy at gates in a battleship and nothing else is pretty lame i think..
uh.
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Ugleb
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Posted - 2005.08.01 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
You're not a pirate so why does your opinion even count?
Noone said it was about just blowing up random targets. But why the hell not, everyone who flies a ship could have possiable loot. Noone said, we don't try to ransom... But destroying a ship to get loot to sell is a form of piracy. You're like saying it isn't. When indeed it is. Yes, stuff gets destroyed, yes people DONT PAY RANSOMS, and yes it's just easier to blow them up to get that 500k of zyd. It doesn't mean we arn't pirates because we decide to blow you up.
Piracy - Isk by brute force on another ship.
Remember we are criminals. Not honorable souls who think it's bad to gank you in a shuttle. Pirates do lay claim to SPACE. So if you happen to run your little shuttle over there and you get podded. You know why... It's also about space control as well isk. Like EVE was ment to be.
Again, save your opinions for your weak alliance that supposly is "Roleplay".
Ok, let's take a good look at this. First off, you seem to be replying to this thread as if it it is an anti-piracy statement. It isn't. The author is asking what do pirates think of the current system, and does it allow them to be the pirates they want to be.
Right now sentry guns and player movement places some hard restrictions on how you can pirate, ulimtimately in low-sec space it comes down to gate camping, and in most cases pirates don't get a chance to ransom, they have to gank travellers before they go to warp. Sitting in belts could mean that you are waiting for hours between targets.
The point here is not "it's wrong to gank?", it is "do you want an alternative to ganking?".
Modern day and historical pirates do not sink ships and loot whatever salvage floats to the surface, they attempt to board the ship intact. Why settle for scraps when you can take your pick? In Eve you don't get much choice. You take the scraps or get nothing, as the target has warped off.
You also seem to think that Anjerrai is under some impression that pirates are all Robin Hood clones. Not so. Pirates prey on other players, that's the point. I've done it myself in my slightly shady past. Not since joining the Ushra'Khan please note.
Lastly, I want to address your final paragraph. My personal response is "huh?". Let me expand on that.
I believe a true pirate is a roleplayer. I think so does Anjerrai, hence this thread. Pirates should be able to play their role by stopping and ransoming travellers, instead the system forces them to blow everything up. Where is the roleplay in that? Lock, shoot, loot, get away from the sentries before your tank breaks. I see the pvp, but not the RP. Pirates are not being criticised here, and their RP is being recoginsed.
Now why do you lash out at Ushra like that? Weak? That's your opinion, I have no idea what you're basing it on or why it's relevant here. But I do take exception to this "supposedly roleplay" remark. All of our conflicts are motivated by our RP. We have recently become involved in GW to defend Thukker Tribe freedom from an alliance trying to close the region. We have two mutual wars with Amarrian loyalist alliances. We take part daily on IGS discussions that involve us. Where is this "supposedly" coming from? I'm interested in hearing your opinion, maybe in another thread so this one can stay on topic?
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Posted - 2005.08.01 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: Layrex
Originally by: infused
Gate camping rules. I love it. Espically when you pop a hauler with 500m of mins in it
It is not just 'a hauler' though. That is a real human being who's evening you just ruined.
All I can say to that is: If you are not careful in low sec then you'll get hurt.
The reason we have low sec is so that stuff like this can happen. If the entire game was high sec space there would be < 1k players cause it would be dull, uninteresting and the economy wouldnt exist.
So basically low sec is a risk that is designed into the game, sentry tanking and sniping are purposefully there and if you choose to travel through low sec then the only one accountable for you losing a ship or equip is... well, you!
A growing number of people understand this and are courteous, pleasant and learn from their mistakes. I salute those people. And to those who insist on swearing, being rude or just flying through low sec in a shuttle with instas, shouting abuse at every pirate they pass and telling them they are newbs cause they wheren't caught (ooh, surprise surprise, wonder why not?) instead of just getting some balls and friends and coming back in something worth killing for a fight... all i can say is.. get used to it, grow up and when my new game "RUS Mining Op: The Curse Of The Oversized Veldspar" comes out, I will give you all free memberships
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Posted - 2005.08.01 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Layrex
It is not just 'a hauler' though. That is a real human being who's evening you just ruined.
Originally by: Jelosavich
You are still destroying/taking what someone took time to get in real-life, so what's the difference? You say because it's just digital, it doesn't matter? Another digital game, magic:online, if someone stole cards from another person, that's still theft, it doesn't matter that it's "just digital."
Ok, I call this the "all pirates are evil, its not how you're supposed to play" point of view. Sorry guys buit I fundamentally disagree with it.
Piracy is a legitimate way to play the game, is not cheating and does not constitute theft. Consider this. If people were not supposed to pirate, why do we have low-sec space? Why didn't CCP make every system a 1.0? The point of the security system is that a player can decide upon the level of risk they expose themselves to. If you want to be completely safe, do not leave secure space. I know players who do just that.
If you venture into low sec space you are accepting the risks. If another player destroys your ship at a gate it is because they have put themselves at a high level of risk to do so. Low-sec is a trade off, and not for the unprepared. If you want to reap the higher rewards of better minerals, complexes and so on, you have to cope with the dangers.
Now, if someone decides to fly a Hauler rammed full of bp's minerals and equipment through low-sec, they have to accept the risks. They could have a friend scout the route ahead of them, they could configure their ship for quick escapes, they could travel flanked by a pair of Armageddons, but in the end they accept the risk by leaving secure space. If they are killed it is because the other guy came better prepared.
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