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Anjerrai Meloanis	Posted - 2005.07.28 18:59:00 - [1] Hey, i just thought id ask if anyone felt the same that its a bit lame how you can only attack ppl at gates effectively with a bs really, i think if they made it so the sentries couldnt insta frag frigs pirating would actually be do-able in a way.. Currently you have to use a bs or sometimes a hac to do this, and its not even pirating, its ganking, actual pirating is too hard to do in eve, there needs to be some sort of system implemented or something.. I am yet to come across any -10.0 char to actual ransom me for isk, it seems to just be ganking.. Are there actually any pirates in eve at all? Or is it just too hard to actually pirate now? I dont pirate myself so any actual "pirates" to reply to this would be muchly appreciated uh.
Drosssk	Posted - 2005.07.28 19:12:00 - [2] There are a few "real" pirates in eve. Id like to consider myself one of them. However, most of the time it simply saves time and effort to just gank a guy. At gates in low sec there isnt even an option, by the time you could start a convo sentries would already be half way through your armor. And myself personally I only started ransoming ships again about 2 weeks ago because for months prior id just get a nice "**** you" if I tryed. The main reason people simply resort to ganking though is because the vast majority of people going through a system will not even touch a celestial object / belt / complex. So if your bored the only thing left is warp out killing at gates. A big factor for this in my opinion is that the map is WAY too limited to players under -5. We cant move around a whole lot. And all the low secs we want to get to are either pocket systems or take 100+ jumps through 0.0. So im forced into pretty much the same routine as are most other pirates. Just my 2 cents.
Macel	Posted - 2005.07.28 19:35:00 - [3] Gates are where most people are vulnerable in eve. If you make most people vulnerable in some other place, they're just going to complain about 'ganking' there instead of at the gates.. Doesnt matter where it happens really...
Burnhard Brutor	Posted - 2005.07.28 20:17:00 - [4] Originally by: Drosssk There are a few "real" pirates in eve. Id like to consider myself one of them. However, most of the time it simply saves time and effort to just gank a guy. At gates in low sec there isnt even an option, by the time you could start a convo sentries would already be half way through your armor. And myself personally I only started ransoming ships again about 2 weeks ago because for months prior id just get a nice "**** you" if I tryed. The main reason people simply resort to ganking though is because the vast majority of people going through a system will not even touch a celestial object / belt / complex. So if your bored the only thing left is warp out killing at gates. A big factor for this in my opinion is that the map is WAY too limited to players under -5. We cant move around a whole lot. And all the low secs we want to get to are either pocket systems or take 100+ jumps through 0.0. So im forced into pretty much the same routine as are most other pirates. Just my 2 cents. Cool. If you guys are bottled up in a few systems, then I think it's all good.
infused	Posted - 2005.07.28 20:18:00 - [5] Gate camping rules. I love it. Espically when you pop a hauler with 500m of mins in it [World Domination] [Patch 3366-3538: Mirror Here]
Layrex	Posted - 2005.07.28 20:45:00 - [6] Originally by: infused Gate camping rules. I love it. Espically when you pop a hauler with 500m of mins in it It is not just 'a hauler' though. That is a real human being who's evening you just ruined. ------------------------------
Velsharoon	Posted - 2005.07.28 20:46:00 - [7] Originally by: Drosssk There are a few "real" pirates in eve. Id like to consider myself one of them. However, most of the time it simply saves time and effort to just gank a guy. At gates in low sec there isnt even an option, by the time you could start a convo sentries would already be half way through your armor. And myself personally I only started ransoming ships again about 2 weeks ago because for months prior id just get a nice "**** you" if I tryed. The main reason people simply resort to ganking though is because the vast majority of people going through a system will not even touch a celestial object / belt / complex. So if your bored the only thing left is warp out killing at gates. A big factor for this in my opinion is that the map is WAY too limited to players under -5. We cant move around a whole lot. And all the low secs we want to get to are either pocket systems or take 100+ jumps through 0.0. So im forced into pretty much the same routine as are most other pirates. Just my 2 cents. quotes cos its true, theres no one in the belts and its to hard to ransom at a gate, thio i havent tried it in a scorp which is on my to do list
Aadarm	Posted - 2005.07.28 20:48:00 - [8] If they woulda been careful they would've have lost that 500M of mins so it is JUST a hauler.
XKittyX	Posted - 2005.07.28 22:27:00 - [9] Originally by: Layrex It is not just 'a hauler' though. That is a real human being who's evening you just ruined. But I bet it gave his heart a workout. And I bet he won't be making that stupid mistake again.
XKittyX	Posted - 2005.07.28 22:31:00 - [10] Back on topic... there's some true pirate corps out there who are very well respected. It is a hard life though so the shoot and loot lifestlye is generally prefered amongst the PVP fraternity. Corps such as TunDraGon, Teddybears, S******dly etc are pretty old skool. CCP could fix it to make pirating a more viable option instead of killing and that'd be to the benefit of pirate corps and the ships who'd otherwise get killed. But right now gate camping in low-sec is either BS tanking or sniping from long range. Belt piracy is possible but it takes a whole lot of patience.
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2005.07.28 23:03:00 - [11] Damnit "Gate camping" is PIRACY! You make no isk ransoming small ships mining in belts. You make no isk popping NPCers in smaller ships in belts. Sometimes you can but most of the time you dont. Ok Understand that? Piracy has ALWAYS been about destroying people by brute force. That means hitting TRADE RUNS. If you don't know what the **** a trade run is then why are you speaking on the topic. Matter of fact why are non-pirates saying a style is not piracy? Gate camping people is PIRACY. It might be lame and stupid to you... But it's piracy. Hitting haulers from gate -> station is piracy... Get it through your simple heads. Now you ask about "BS" being the only ones to tank the sentry guns. This is NOT TRUE once again. We just recently had more tank mods UPPED in the patch as well. You can tank Sentry Guns (I's not II's) with a ship as small as a CRUISER. Like the MALLER for example. It has "Armor Resistance" bonuses per level for god sakes. So you can TANK the sentry guns for a SHORT time and STILL destroy a HAULER. (Trade Runs = Haulers). You also have the Battlecruiser like the Prophecy and Ferox who can do it great. But it's just easier to go Battleship for longer lasting fights and of course able to destroy bigger targets if you plan to TANK not snipe. -Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
Ikvar	Posted - 2005.07.28 23:32:00 - [12] Originally by: XKittyX I bet he won't be making that stupid mistake again. Come on Kitt, you know that isn't true (90% of the time) __________________
Deepeh	Posted - 2005.07.28 23:37:00 - [13] Originally by: Ikvar Originally by: XKittyX I bet he won't be making that stupid mistake again. Come on Kitt, you know that isn't true (90% of the time) Hey pal, get back to pooning people! You're doing great. :] Coming up next: can bees think? A new study indicates that no, they cannot.
infused	Posted - 2005.07.29 00:48:00 - [14] Originally by: Layrex Originally by: infused Gate camping rules. I love it. Espically when you pop a hauler with 500m of mins in it It is not just 'a hauler' though. That is a real human being who's evening you just ruined. It's not my fault someone is so stupid that he carrys 500m of mins with no tank or escort. [World Domination] [Patch 3366-3538: Mirror Here]
Jane Vladmir	Posted - 2005.07.29 01:50:00 - [15] I agree. Pirating in an interceptor/Assault frigate, in empire, would be awesome.
infused	Posted - 2005.07.29 02:08:00 - [16] Btw, this is what I mean by stupid: This person then said his alliance is going to war dec us... I mean comon... if you are going to carry this much stuff, protect it. Destroyed items: Type: 10MN Afterburner I (Cargo) Quantity: 1 Type: Basic Overdrive Injector System (Cargo) Type: Explosion Dampening Amplifier I (Cargo) Quantity: 1 Type: Nocxium (Cargo) Quantity: 98 Type: Zydrine (Cargo) Quantity: 10 Type: Medium Standard Container (Cargo) Empty. Type: Warp Core Stabilizer I (Cargo) Quantity: 2 Type: 1MN MicroWarpdrive I (Cargo) Quantity: 2 Type: Sensor Booster I (Cargo) Quantity: 1 Type: Small Remote Armor Repair System I (Cargo) Quantity: 1 Type: J5 Prototype Warp Inhibitor I (Cargo) Quantity: 1 Type: Nanofiber Internal Structure I (Cargo) Type: PL-0 Shipment Probe (Cargo) Quantity: 1 Type: Expanded Cargohold I (Cargo) Quantity: 4 Type: Nanofiber Internal Structure I (Cargo) Quantity: 4 Type: Concentrated Veldspar (Cargo) Quantity: 160 Type: Tritanium (Cargo) Quantity: 5 Type: Insulated Stabilizer Array I (Cargo) Quantity: 1 Type: Neutron Blaster Cannon I (Cargo) Quantity: 2 Type: Beta Hull Mod Overdrive Injector (Cargo) Type: Partial Hull Conversion Expanded Cargo (Cargo) Type: Partial Hull Conversion Expanded Cargo (Cargo) Type: 50mm Reinforced Nanofiber Plates I (Cargo) Quantity: 1 Type: Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners (Cargo) Type: Nanofiber Internal Structure I (Cargo) Type: Expanded Cargohold I (Cargo) Type: Fixed Parallel Link-Capacitor I (Cargo) Type: Morphite (Cargo) Quantity: 41 Type: Ammatar Navy Sergeant Insignia III (Cargo) Quantity: 2 Type: Co-Processor I (Cargo) Quantity: 1 Type: Small Secure Container (Cargo) Type: Obliterator F.O.F. Cruise Missile I Blueprint Type: Micro Auxiliary Power Core I Blueprint Type: XLarge Shield Booster I Blueprint Type: Phoenix F.O.F. Cruise Missile I Blueprint Type: Dragon F.O.F. Cruise Missile I Blueprint Type: Hunter F.O.F. Cruise Missile I Blueprint Type: Wrath Cruise Missile I Blueprint Type: Devastator Cruise Missile I Blueprint Type: Juggernaut Torpedo I Blueprint Type: Mjolnir Torpedo I Blueprint Type: Bane Torpedo I Blueprint Type: Mjolnir Torpedo I Blueprint Type: Inferno Torpedo I Blueprint Type: Warp Core Stabilizer I Blueprint Type: Bane Torpedo I Blueprint Type: Inferno Torpedo I Blueprint Type: Juggernaut Torpedo I Blueprint Type: 720mm Howitzer Artillery I Blueprint Type: Ballistic Control System I Blueprint Type: Paradise Cruise Missile I Blueprint Type: Cataclysm Cruise Missile I Blueprint Type: Controlled Bursts Quantity: 1 Type: Motion Prediction Quantity: 1 Type: Rapid Firing Quantity: 1 Type: Sharpshooter Quantity: 1 Type: Trajectory Analysis Quantity: 1 Type: Serpentis Ship Log 381038422 Quantity: 1 Type: Serpentis Ship Log 12682884 Quantity: 1 Type: Scorpion Blueprint Type: Battlecruisers Quantity: 2 Type: Warp Scrambler I (Cargo) Quantity: 4 Type: Inferno Torpedo I Blueprint (Cargo) Type: Cap Recharger I (Cargo) Type: Cap Recharger I (Cargo) Type: Guristas Brass Tag (Cargo) Quantity: 1 Type: ECCM Projector I (Cargo) Quantity: 1 Type: Guristas Copper Tag (Cargo) Quantity: 1 Type: 1400mm Howitzer Artillery I (Cargo) Quantity: 2 Type: Initiated Harmonic Warp Jammer I (Cargo) Quantity: 1 [World Domination] [Patch 3366-3538: Mirror Here]
Layrex	Posted - 2005.07.29 02:09:00 - [17] So a magical fairy takes hold of your keyboard, locks that person and presses all the F keys then? ------------------------------
infused	Posted - 2005.07.29 02:16:00 - [18] Originally by: Layrex So a magical fairy takes hold of your keyboard, locks that person and presses all the F keys then? ? [World Domination] [Patch 3366-3538: Mirror Here]
Razner Cerizo	Posted - 2005.07.29 03:15:00 - [19] Originally by: Layrex So a magical fairy takes hold of your keyboard, locks that person and presses all the F keys then? Yes. The magical piracy fairy did that to me recently, I ended up opening fire on an inty in a .6 system while I was piloting a cruiser D:< Nerf the magical piracy fairy.
Blind Fear	Posted - 2005.07.29 04:06:00 - [20] Originally by: infused Btw, this is what I mean by stupid: This person then said his alliance is going to war dec us... I mean comon... if you are going to carry this much stuff, protect it. Its a hauler filled with worthless crap. I wouldnt bother getting a scout for it either. Most of it will just get shredded for minerals anyway.
infused	Posted - 2005.07.29 04:32:00 - [21] Originally by: Blind Fear Originally by: infused Btw, this is what I mean by stupid: This person then said his alliance is going to war dec us... I mean comon... if you are going to carry this much stuff, protect it. Its a hauler filled with worthless crap. I wouldnt bother getting a scout for it either. Most of it will just get shredded for minerals anyway. What? I made over 100m out of that hauler. [World Domination] [Patch 3366-3538: Mirror Here]
Blind Fear	Posted - 2005.07.29 04:33:00 - [22] Originally by: infused What? I made over 100m out of that hauler. I guess you're lucky everything of value survived then.
infused	Posted - 2005.07.29 04:36:00 - [23] Originally by: Blind Fear Originally by: infused What? I made over 100m out of that hauler. I guess you're lucky everything of value survived then. Normally atleast something good makes it out alive... mostly it was mins and local hull expanders... which are nice. I've never had a hauler pop and lose everything good. Something good always remains, for me anyway [World Domination] [Patch 3366-3538: Mirror Here]
Kaleeb	Posted - 2005.07.29 05:38:00 - [24] Ransoming at a gate is diffcult, but possible. 90% of the time i blow people up (at gates) I have ransomed twice at gates first a raven for 40mil and then a CN Raven for 500mil, although myself and my corpmate almost died on that occasion What i think we need is to be able to have some form of automatic cargo scanner, as with the hauler in the above post could have been ransomed for a few mil and let a fortune get away by mistake. If sentries could be jammed that would be interesting
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2005.07.29 07:19:00 - [25] Edited by: Famine Aligher''ri on 29/07/2005 07:20:50 All you really need is a wingman in something like a vigil. Using scanning mods is not hostile so they can sit there and scan away. It would actually bring more skill to your trade than what most would do. Guess it would be something to be proud of in your job. Pilots working together relyaing infomation on TS or something. While you do it as quickly as possiable. Being timing is everything in that form of piracy/gate camping. Named Cargo/Ship Scanners would actually be worth something then snicker. That's how me and my fiance do it atleast. When she is on, I sit there and she scans. I judge my actions based on the information she gives me. So I better my chances to get more isk from ships that would give no isk if I just blew there ship up. Something that sniping from gates can't do. =) -Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
wild Ari	Posted - 2005.07.29 08:31:00 - [26] also - alwasy carry a good amount of spiced wine and spirits. when you get ransomed just drop the wine and spirits. Proof
infused	Posted - 2005.07.29 10:30:00 - [27] I agree on the auto cargo scanner... would stop me poping n00bs. You never know with them. [World Domination] [Patch 3366-3538: Mirror Here]
Keta Min	Posted - 2005.07.29 11:06:00 - [28] Edited by: Keta Min on 29/07/2005 11:08:55 i think sentry response should be scaled depending on ship class. it doesn't add security to a system if battleships can pirate at gates but frigs can not. the other way around would be more fun and more sane.
Hans Roaming	Posted - 2005.07.29 11:28:00 - [29] Something that might make ransoming work is to have mobile warp disrupters that work by ripping someone out of warp between gates. That way you could be in the middle of nowhere doing an ambush, of course it also means you could have a bunch of hostiles come and drop out of warp too. :) WTS: Male, 37, single, can fly starships, build rockets and dance Salsa. WTB: Female, plays eve, lives near London UK
Embattle	Posted - 2005.07.29 19:20:00 - [30] Why would you exist without these so called stupid people

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