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Mensha Khael Crow
House Murder
52
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Posted - 2013.02.19 03:40:00 -
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Sometimes it is good to remember and be reminded of what we have in common, what we agree on and what unites us with our brethren and even with those not of our Faith. As such Capsuleer House Murder is calling for public support from any and all capsuleers. Amarrian Faithful practice their Faith outside the borders of the greater Amarrian Empire.
They are Caldari, Gallante, Minmatar and Ammatar. They are of Amarrian lineages. They work just us their neigbours do and participate in their areas politics and social life just like all others. However their Faith may set them apart, they work hard to honour and follow the laws of the soveregnity they call home. In light of this and in support of these courageous individuals I feel we need to recognize their work for God. Even sometimes in conditions hostile to them.
It is said most Minmatar just wish to be left alone to their lives, on this initiave I will take these people at their word and invite them to participate in the defence of their Minmatar Republic given right to freedom of religion. Sadly not all of Tribal heritage feel this way as we occationally hear. There are agitators and those who would visit violence upon men based on their Faith alone.
It saddens me to find that large part of those who have immigrated from Empire to the Republic face prejudism and attacks upon themselves up to and including physical threats and acts of violence. Even futher many of those who have traveled to the Republic are ill equipped to deal with these threats in a fashion that is culturally and lawfully correct within the Republic.
Many of these Faithful have left behind planets where the need for a commoner to carry weapons for self-defence is unheard of. Most of these immigrants to the Republic have never fired a weapon or even had the need to raise their arms in defence on their depurture from the Greater Amarr.
I would help these people to defend their lawful right to practice their religion within the Minmatar Republic. I would see them prepared to defend themselves from aggression be that from a shoolyard bully or pirate on an illegal slave raid within the Republic. The Minmatar Republic offers them the right to this, God calls them to exercise those rights responcibly.
(Capsuleers with TL/DR symptoms start reading here.)
I am calling for donations of small arms and isk to pay for small arms and to go towards paying trainers of Faith to these brethren of our how to defend themselves against all agression responcibly and lawfully. Armed and unarmed. These arms and some of the trainers will be delivered in a convoy Flight to the Republic on the first Sunday of next month (03.03.2013). Intended departure time from within Throne worlds is at midnight of Intergalactic standard. Changes in schedule are at this time possible.
House Murder. Sadly I know will have to request all capsuleers to leave all other discussion from this thread so that that which is meant as a charity does not get tarnished by petty squabling. On Public Relations matters feel free to ask me. |

Alizabeth Vea
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
243
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Posted - 2013.02.19 03:47:00 -
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I support this effort. I will pledge fifty million ISK to your cause. I expect, however, to see receipts. Staff Writer: themittani.com -á If you are going anywhere else to get your Eve News, you are wrong.
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Thgil Goldcore
Advenus Classem Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
538
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Posted - 2013.02.19 05:24:00 -
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I have just finished a transaction of 50 elite laser pistols to Mr. Crow.
Good luck with your program. |

Mensha Khael Crow
House Murder
53
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Posted - 2013.02.19 05:30:00 -
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Thgil Goldcore wrote:I have just finished a transaction of 50 elite laser pistols to Mr. Crow.
Good luck with your program.
My thanks for donation of the 50 pistols. |

Alizabeth Vea
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
243
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Posted - 2013.02.19 05:38:00 -
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The ISK has been sent. I would suggest that it be used to buy projectile weapons, as the ammunition for such arms is more likely to be available in the Republic than laser crystals. Staff Writer: themittani.com -á If you are going anywhere else to get your Eve News, you are wrong.
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Mensha Khael Crow
House Murder
54
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Posted - 2013.02.19 05:57:00 -
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Alizabeth Vea wrote:The ISK has been sent. I would suggest that it be used to buy projectile weapons, as the ammunition for such arms is more likely to be available in the Republic than laser crystals.
I have received your donation of Fifty million isk. This will be used for small arms. Laser crystals last a long time compared to projectile weapons ms. Vea. But I suspect we will have a variation of weaponry to deliver. |

Lyn Farel
Kitzless
416
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Posted - 2013.02.19 19:39:00 -
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With all due respect, are you sure that distributing weapons will not actually favor a lethal escalation ? |

Natalcya Katla
Naqam Shaktipat Revelators
92
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Posted - 2013.02.19 20:08:00 -
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Speaking of responsibility and lawfulness, Captain Crow, how do you intend to ferry a cargo of small arms through Amarrian space legally? |

Mensha Khael Crow
House Murder
54
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Posted - 2013.02.19 21:21:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:With all due respect, are you sure that distributing weapons will not actually favor a lethal escalation ?
That is why those will not be simply distributed. They will come with training and hand-to-hand training. Now, if those who would seek harm to our brethren decide to escalate their agrression because of this. It is to our brethren to act in self-defence and accordingly. I stress that self-defence scales to the aggression that is defended against.
If instead of stopping the aggression some choose to increase it to leathal leavels because they know of our brethrens increased capacity to self-defence? Submitting to violence because someone might use more severe forms of violence if our brethren defend themselves? No. That road leads to submission to those with no respect for even their own laws. What was the Gallanrean saying? "a Right unused is a right lost."
As for a Nation loyalist question into legal side of the matter. There are several options to transport these supplies, including but not limited to pilots willing to accept the punishment due to the crime committed, for the good of our brethren. The excact specifics, are my concern and fall under operational security. As minor as such in an open charity Flight can admittedly be. |

Lyn Farel
Kitzless
417
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Posted - 2013.02.19 22:28:00 -
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What you are essentially telling is that these people need weapons for their safety because the proper Republic authorities do not provide that safety for them, am I right ? |
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Mensha Khael Crow
House Murder
54
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Posted - 2013.02.19 23:28:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:What you are essentially telling is that these people need weapons for their safety because the proper Republic authorities do not provide that safety for them, am I right ?
Do not provide similar safety as many of them may be used to in the Greater Amarr, yes. |

Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
50
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Posted - 2013.02.19 23:30:00 -
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Lyn Farel wrote:What you are essentially telling is that these people need weapons for their safety because the proper Republic authorities do not provide that safety for them, am I right ?
Correct.
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Gosakumori Noh
Viziam Amarr Empire
100
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Posted - 2013.02.20 02:30:00 -
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I recently hucked my Hulk because I'm never in the silly thing. Furthermore, you're cause is just and your blood is pure. Consequently, I have sent you forty million ISK (so as not to engage in an unseemly contest of one upsmanship that I cannot possibly win). That said, should you at some point start an effort to recruit disaffected, unemployed feral young Sebiestor hooligans to fight with new purpose, I should gladly contribute another forty million for their... rehabilitation.
Best wishes! |

Mensha Khael Crow
House Murder
54
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Posted - 2013.02.20 03:02:00 -
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I have received 40million Isk from one, Gosakumori Noh. My thanks for the donation.
House Murder does not, at this time, hold slaves. I am certain there are plenty of holders willing to find a place for these young Sebiestor you mention. |

Gosakumori Noh
Viziam Amarr Empire
100
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Posted - 2013.02.20 03:12:00 -
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Mensha Khael Crow wrote:House Murder does not, at this time, hold slaves. I am certain there are plenty of holders willing to find a place for these young Sebiestor you mention.
No, no. Not slaves. I'm well stocked in feral young Sebiestor lads. Rather, boots on the ground. I had interpreted your effort as primarily directed at Nefantar who have come under attack from the Murientor, inter alia. Opening an "unexpected" flank with other Tribes within the "unified" Republic may give an oppressed minority the breathing room it needs to get on its feet.
To the extent that you already intend to equip and train a diverse force, of course, disregard my dissembling. |

Lucius Vindictus
Samarkand Financial
92
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Posted - 2013.02.20 03:25:00 -
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Not that I doubt your good intentions. But I don't believe this project is in the best interest of our faithful brothers and sisters abroad. If it were to become known that they hide arsenals in their communities out of distrust towards their neighbors that would almost certainly work against them. And that is in the unlikely event that this would be simply allowed to happen without a fight. Especially where they are in the minority it would seem unwise to undermine their religious work by creating an atmosphere of fear and distrust. You could very well end up destroying centuries of careful missionary work.
Think of Abel Jarek, the martyr of Tronhadar Valley. Would he have carried, let alone have used a gun if you had given him one?
He did not fight, but had more courage than the greatest of warriors. His sacrifice ensured that his people persevered, and his townships survive to this day while the wrong decision could have seen them raised to ashes instead.
Lets not decide for our brothers and sisters what is best for them. Conversion is a slow process, but one that is tried and tested over millennia. And what are we Amarr if not patient? |

Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
449
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Posted - 2013.02.20 05:47:00 -
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Your arming of the "Matari faithful" could be viewed as supporting an insurrectionist minority determined to overthrow the government through force of arms. As another has pointed out this provocative act will escalate, trust me on this. People practicing your faith within the Republic are already viewed with suspicion just think how much worse it will be when they're receiving arms and combat training from an imperial loyalist corporation.
As a practical matter; how much screaming would there be from Imperial loyalists if a Matari organization announced a program to arm slaves in the heart of the Empire?
Rethink this Crow. It will not end well I guarantee you. What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |

Alizabeth Vea
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
244
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Posted - 2013.02.20 07:17:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:Your arming of the "Matari faithful" could be viewed as supporting an insurrectionist minority determined to overthrow the government through force of arms. As another has pointed out this provocative act will escalate, trust me on this. People practicing your faith within the Republic are already viewed with suspicion just think how much worse it will be when they're receiving arms and combat training from an imperial loyalist corporation.
As a practical matter; how much screaming would there be from Imperial loyalists if a Matari organization announced a program to arm slaves in the heart of the Empire?
Rethink this Crow. It will not end well I guarantee you.
Since slaves in the Empire have no rights, that would be a breech of local laws. However, from my experience there are no laws prohibiting Republic citizens from owning weapons. Please correct me if I am wrong. Staff Writer: themittani.com -á If you are going anywhere else to get your Eve News, you are wrong.
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Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1193
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Posted - 2013.02.20 07:21:00 -
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Alizabeth Vea wrote:Please correct me if I am wrong.
You spelled 'breach' wrong. |

Valdezi
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
80
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Posted - 2013.02.20 07:25:00 -
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Katrina Oniseki wrote:Alizabeth Vea wrote:Please correct me if I am wrong. You spelled 'breach' wrong.
Zing.
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Alizabeth Vea
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
244
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Posted - 2013.02.20 07:36:00 -
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I blame faulty text to speech software. I'll correct it. You can go back to being ineffective at pretty much everything. Staff Writer: themittani.com -á If you are going anywhere else to get your Eve News, you are wrong.
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Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
1193
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Posted - 2013.02.20 08:39:00 -
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Alizabeth Vea wrote: Please correct me if I am wrong.
Alizabeth Vea wrote:I can go back to being ineffective at pretty much everything.
Corrected again! |

Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
450
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Posted - 2013.02.20 17:11:00 -
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Nice of you to focus on one tiny detail and miss the overall message, Pilot Vea. If Crow chooses to move forward with this enterprise it will only result in bloodshed. I know that I wouldn't feel very safe if my neighbors, already "converted" to the Amarrian religion and culture, were suddenly also armed and trained by Imperials and I'd have to contemplate how to proactively deal with the new threat. I'd probably just choose to be hyper-vigilant. Others might decide that such a threat on their doorstep to be intolerable and take preemptive action to neutralize it. Neither of these scenarios are conducive to peaceful relations. What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |

Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
959
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Posted - 2013.02.21 08:04:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:Nice of you to focus on one tiny detail and miss the overall message, Pilot Vea. If Crow chooses to move forward with this enterprise it will only result in bloodshed.
True, but there has already been bloodshed and it's not going to stop anytime soon. If we arm the Faithful then we give the Republic the excuse they're looking for to march them all off into the desert for "orderly disposal." If we don't arm them then we've only bought them some time until they can concoct a different excuse to "purge those of unclean bloodlines from the purity of the Six Tribes." Which they will do, eventually - it's only a question of time.
So with one option... you may buy them some time spent living in fear & terror before they are eventually massacred. With the other option they may get a chance to take out a few of their murderers before the end. EvE Forum Bingo |

Alizabeth Vea
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
244
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Posted - 2013.02.21 09:28:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:Nice of you to focus on one tiny detail and miss the overall message, Pilot Vea. If Crow chooses to move forward with this enterprise it will only result in bloodshed. I know that I wouldn't feel very safe if my neighbors, already "converted" to the Amarrian religion and culture, were suddenly also armed and trained by Imperials and I'd have to contemplate how to proactively deal with the new threat. I'd probably just choose to be hyper-vigilant. Others might decide that such a threat on their doorstep to be intolerable and take preemptive action to neutralize it. Neither of these scenarios are conducive to peaceful relations.
The law is not a tiny detail. I know several instances off hand wherein Caldari Corps gained, or lost, millions due to a misplaced comma, or an 'and' in place of an 'or.' If you want to live in a free society, then you accept everything that comes with it. Or, pass a law that restricts the right of anyone with an Amarrian faith and prove yourselves to be no different from them. Staff Writer: themittani.com -á If you are going anywhere else to get your Eve News, you are wrong.
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Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
3277
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Posted - 2013.02.21 09:46:00 -
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I believe someone once said, Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. I support your initiative and will make contributions to it when I am able.
Torn from grace, gotta find your faith or the devils gonna claim your soul
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Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
456
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Posted - 2013.02.21 17:34:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote: True, but there has already been bloodshed and it's not going to stop anytime soon. If we arm the Faithful then we give the Republic the excuse they're looking for to march them all off into the desert for "orderly disposal." If we don't arm them then we've only bought them some time until they can concoct a different excuse to "purge those of unclean bloodlines from the purity of the Six Tribes." Which they will do, eventually - it's only a question of time.
So with one option... you may buy them some time spent living in fear & terror before they are eventually massacred. With the other option they may get a chance to take out a few of their murderers before the end.
I think you're confusing the Republic for somewhere else, pilot. We Matari have never set ourselves up as the "chosen" of mankind or the arbiters of all morality. We've never glassed a planet from orbit in order to prove a point. We've never invaded peaceful planets and enslaved billions of people. We've never rounded up entire groups and marched them off to be murdered because of their beliefs or ethnicity.
Just because you had a bad experience in the Republic (unlike the billions who freely live here or emigrate here) doesn't make the Republic the evil thing you rail against constantly. Your judgements have been emotionally compromised by hatred. In that you're no better than those "bigots and racists" you complain about ad nauseum. What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |

Natalcya Katla
Naqam Shaktipat Revelators
94
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Posted - 2013.02.21 17:57:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:I think you're confusing the Republic for somewhere else, pilot. We Matari have never set ourselves up as the "chosen" of mankind or the arbiters of all morality. We've never glassed a planet from orbit in order to prove a point. We've never invaded peaceful planets and enslaved billions of people. We've never rounded up entire groups and marched them off to be murdered because of their beliefs or ethnicity. Such short memories you Central Empires have. |

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1485
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Posted - 2013.02.21 18:30:00 -
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Natalcya Katla wrote:Anabella Rella wrote:I think you're confusing the Republic for somewhere else, pilot. We Matari have never set ourselves up as the "chosen" of mankind or the arbiters of all morality. We've never glassed a planet from orbit in order to prove a point. We've never invaded peaceful planets and enslaved billions of people. We've never rounded up entire groups and marched them off to be murdered because of their beliefs or ethnicity. Such short memories you Central Empires have.
To be fair, Natalcya, they never expected us to retain things within living memory. |

Tabor Murn
Gradient Electus Matari
14
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Posted - 2013.02.21 18:36:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:
So with one option... you may buy them some time spent living in fear & terror before they are eventually massacred. .
If it is true that such people live in fear & terror in Republic space, they enjoy the freedom to leave. Can the fearful oppressed of the Empire claim the same?
Maybe instead of armaments, Mr. Crow should be distributing InterBus fare. |
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
57
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Posted - 2013.02.21 19:00:00 -
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It is true, mister Murn. Even if the government and many Minmatar capsuleers are united and respectful of their religion and background, there are many extremists who aren't (like the Murientor Tribe).
I do agree that shuttle fare would be a better option than weapons, since I doubt the latter would even make it past Republic customs. Though it would also require additional money to get started in whatever empire they wished to settle in. |

Mensha Khael Crow
House Murder
57
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Posted - 2013.02.21 19:01:00 -
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Tabor Murn wrote:Katran Luftschreck wrote:
So with one option... you may buy them some time spent living in fear & terror before they are eventually massacred. .
If it is true that such people live in fear & terror in Republic space, they enjoy the freedom to leave. Can the fearful oppressed of the Empire claim the same? Maybe instead of armaments, Mr. Crow should be distributing InterBus fare.
Faithful within the Republic also enjoy freedom to choose their religion, as per Republic law. They enjoy the right to self-defence . I am merely seeking to improve their preparedness to defend those rights and freedoms Minmatar Republic affords them. Whether that be against a bigoted mob intent on violating their personal safety for excersicing those rights or a slew of illegal slavers caring one whit who they take in order to profit.
Quite frankly. suggesting that those of Amarrian faith should refrain from excersising their rights because someone might break Republics laws if they do? Unseemly blaming of those who would be the victims of criminals in such a scenario.
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Tabor Murn
Gradient Electus Matari
14
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Posted - 2013.02.21 19:20:00 -
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I never claimed anything of the sort Mr. Crow.
I pointed out that the people you are attempting to aid are free to travel elsewhere if they do not like their current environment. A freedom that cannot be claimed by many within the Empire.
Yes they are also free to believe whatever they wish. A freedom that cannot be claimed by any within the Empire. They are also free to arm themselves in self defense. I believe small arms are illegal in the Empire, so that would be another freedom that this supposedly at risk community enjoys in Republic space that similar communities could not claim within the Empire.
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Mensha Khael Crow
House Murder
57
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Posted - 2013.02.21 19:35:00 -
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Tabor Murn wrote:I never claimed anything of the sort Mr. Crow.
I pointed out that the people you are attempting to aid are free to travel elsewhere if they do not like their current environment. A freedom that cannot be claimed by many within the Empire.
Yes they are also free to believe whatever they wish. A freedom that cannot be claimed by any within the Empire. They are also free to arm themselves in self defense. I believe small arms are illegal in the Empire, so that would be another freedom that this supposedly at risk community enjoys in Republic space that similar communities could not claim within the Empire.
And this charitable event is intended to aid those who choose to live and practice the Amarrian faith within the Republic, as you have agreed is perfectly within their rights under Republic law. Your opinions on the societies of Greater Amarrian Empire are not relevant for this discussion.
Perhaps you could seek your alliances support for these law-abiding inhabitants of the Republic, as I have stated I am not turning away any helpful donations. |

Lyn Farel
Kitzless
420
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Posted - 2013.02.21 20:34:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Natalcya Katla wrote:Anabella Rella wrote:I think you're confusing the Republic for somewhere else, pilot. We Matari have never set ourselves up as the "chosen" of mankind or the arbiters of all morality. We've never glassed a planet from orbit in order to prove a point. We've never invaded peaceful planets and enslaved billions of people. We've never rounded up entire groups and marched them off to be murdered because of their beliefs or ethnicity. Such short memories you Central Empires have. To be fair, Natalcya, they never expected us to retain things within living memory.
It does not only applies to Stain.
Sarum Prime, Kor Azor Prime, Jarizza... For the invading bit, at least, since the enslavement was more akin of a genocide than anything else.
Pots and kettles. |

Alizabeth Vea
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
244
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Posted - 2013.02.21 22:49:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Natalcya Katla wrote:Anabella Rella wrote:I think you're confusing the Republic for somewhere else, pilot. We Matari have never set ourselves up as the "chosen" of mankind or the arbiters of all morality. We've never glassed a planet from orbit in order to prove a point. We've never invaded peaceful planets and enslaved billions of people. We've never rounded up entire groups and marched them off to be murdered because of their beliefs or ethnicity. Such short memories you Central Empires have. To be fair, Natalcya, they never expected us to retain things within living memory.
Killing a Nationite has the same moral implication as stepping on a bug. When the combined empires fought against Nation the first time, they had to glass planets to eliminate an infestation, not to prove a point, as the Amarr did at Starkman Prime. Staff Writer: themittani.com -á If you are going anywhere else to get your Eve News, you are wrong.
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Natalcya Katla
Naqam Shaktipat Revelators
95
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Posted - 2013.02.21 23:17:00 -
[37] - Quote
Alizabeth Vea wrote:Killing a Nationite has the same moral implication as stepping on a bug. When the combined empires fought against Nation the first time, they had to glass planets to eliminate an infestation, not to prove a point, as the Amarr did at Starkman Prime. Watch the bee calling others bugs. |

Gosakumori Noh
Viziam Amarr Empire
104
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Posted - 2013.02.22 00:52:00 -
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Saede Riordan wrote:I believe someone once said, Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. I support your initiative and will make contributions to it when I am able.
Huh. Well, she doesn't have the plumbing I had in mind... and she's not on the ground.... but she is a Sebiestor, and so I think it must be Heaven's will that I make good on my second pledge. Best wishes!
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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
980
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Posted - 2013.02.22 01:14:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:I think you're confusing the Republic for somewhere else, pilot.
Actually, no I'm not. You don't read the news much, do you?
"A Brutor Tribe-owned Minmatar refugee settlement in Abudban endured a violent riot last night, during which visiting Starkmanir Sage Uldas Dreeter was killed by anti-theists who were protesting his public services"
"PATOR - The Minmatar People's Theatre's main stage was bombed this morning, only a few short hours after the opening night of controversial play GÇÿPlantation.GÇÖ "
"Pashanai - The Bloody Hands of Matar, one of the most notorious terrorist organizations in New Eden, has come forward to claim responsibility for the massive explosion on a Ministry of War station at Pashanai III earlier today which claimed the lives of just under 5600 people and destroyed several billion ISK's worth of infrastructure."
"Pator GÇô Abel Jarek, the leader of the Salvation Crusade, a movement of former slaves preaching the Amarrian faith, died yesterday during an attack by masked vigilantes in the township he founded for his followers in the Tronhadar Valley region of Matar."
"Illuin - Scope News has just obtained confirmation of the mass-murder of hundreds of municipal and regional government officials and throughout the Minmatar Republic. The assassins, believed to be aligned with the same Minmatar-Thukker strike force invading the Amarr Empire, are allegedly leaving evidence of the victim's complicity with Amarrian intelligence services with each corpse. This "purge", as the attackers have allegedly described, was clearly timed to coincide with the invasion. Police detectives have remarked that the Minmatar-Thukker operation was "flawless", leaving "no opportunity for police forces to react."
"Yulai - *** This is a breaking news story *** Scope News has confirmed that CONCORD Bureau Station in Yulai has been destroyed, and that all rapid-reaction defense capabilities of the police agency have been disabled."
The day that the Amarr decided that brute force conquest of New Eden was no longer our goal was the day that the Republic decided it would become theirs.
Oh, and a bit of historical trivia that you types love to forget: The Amarr Empire never conquered the Minmatar Republic. We conquered the Minmatar Empire. That's right, kids - the Minmatar were once an Empire, same as us. Oh no, truth seeping into skulls... quick, grab the memory erase pills! EvE Forum Bingo |

Karmilla Strife
Utopian Research I.E.L. Suddenly Spaceships.
36
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Posted - 2013.02.22 05:46:00 -
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I find it deliciously ironic that you quote news articles in one IGS thread while failing completely to comprehend a concurrent IGS thread regarding a news article. |
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Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
458
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Posted - 2013.02.22 06:02:00 -
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I read the news constantly, pilot.
Be as condescending, pedantic and snarky as you please Luftshreck but the news items you posted are isolated incidents and not some kind of widespread, organized persecution as you keep attempting to portray. Sorry but, you can't erase 1000 years of history just like that. Our people, just like your Amarrian masters, have long memories. It will take time for relations between traditional Matari and those practicing your religion to normalize. It's only been a little over a century since the founding of the Republic. Freedom of speech, assembly and religion were enshrined in the Republic's original constitution. The fact that some, perhaps most, Matari aren't ready to accept your Amarrian religion with open arms doesn't change the fact that the practice of said religion is protected by our laws. That's a damned sight more freedom than anyone has in your masters' monolithic Empire.
You really need to find a new thing to rail against. Your constant attempts to discredit the Republic only serve to make you appear foolish and biased. We get that you had a hard time but honestly, the vast majority who are in the Republic are quite happy to be here. If they're not, they're free to leave for the Federation, State, Empire, Mandate, Kuvakei's Nation or wherever they feel they'd be happy. The fact that there is no mass exodus, even among your Amarrian faithful, puts the lie to your assertions. What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |

Koronakesh
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
108
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Posted - 2013.02.22 06:39:00 -
[42] - Quote
I find this idea of arming and training individuals who are placed within a crowded, hostile environment quite laudable and will be making appropriate donations to that effect. SASPR Amir al-Mu'minin and Eve Online Hold'Em Management |

Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.02.22 09:41:00 -
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Anabella Rella wrote:You really need to find a new thing to rail against. Your constant attempts to discredit the Republic only serve to make you appear foolish and biased. We get that you had a hard time but honestly, the vast majority who are in the Republic are quite happy to be here. If they're not, they're free to leave for the Federation, State, Empire, Mandate, Kuvakei's Nation or wherever they feel they'd be happy. The fact that there is no mass exodus, even among your Amarrian faithful, puts the lie to your assertions.
To be fair, many who might wish to leave are unable to do so due to low incomes. Afterall, many had to rely on aid from the Sisters of EVE just to get transport to the Republic in the first place. It can be especially hard if your family does not support your desire to leave, as individual family members will certainly not have the income necessary for that kind of relocation on their own.
It is true though that the situation is certainly not as... apocalyptic as miss Luftschreck seems to believe, and Amarrian-delivered weapons are just as likely to escalate the situation as they are to protect the victims. While greater security for those that are targeted for their faith is needed, I feel that transport and startup fare for those who wish to leave but lack the income would be a superior option to pursue. |

Gosakumori Noh
Viziam Amarr Empire
104
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Posted - 2013.02.22 14:31:00 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:While greater security for those that are targeted for their faith is needed, I feel that transport and startup fare for those who wish to leave but lack the income would be a superior option to pursue.
Why live under the tyranny of "or" when you can exult in the bounteous magnanimity of "and?"
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Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
3296
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Posted - 2013.02.22 14:53:00 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:While greater security for those that are targeted for their faith is needed, I feel that transport and startup fare for those who wish to leave but lack the income would be a superior option to pursue.
I tend to agree. I believe Crow's goal here is that he's actually trying to increase the volatility of the situation without breaking Republic law. I don't think it will work as well as he thinks it will. Yes, people get scooped up in slave raids who might have wanted to stay in the Empire (and that in and of itself is a problem that needs to be dealt with) but its not like the republic is kidnapping people in order to persecute them like Luftshreck seems to believe. Its a messy situation but its not that big of a problem overall, and its not like its the republic's fault either. Its the fault of the those tribes who decided it would be a good idea to launch 'rescue missions' in violation of international treaties and grab entire slave villages in the middle of the night. That needs to stop. Spirits, its no wonder the Empire calls the republic a Rebel state.
Torn from grace, gotta find your faith or the devils gonna claim your soul
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Lunarisse Aspenstar
Beaumonte Exploration and Foundry Consolidated
7
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Posted - 2013.02.22 15:10:00 -
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*flickers in wearing a long ankle length dress, seated on a wooden chair at a simple dormitory desk that is otherwise bare except for a datapad. Through the window can be seen the spires and domes of the Amarr Legio Basilica.*
Lord Crow with all due respect and deference to one of your station, I would humbly urge you to consult with the Imperial ministries dealing with foreign affairs to ensure that you are not interfering with or causing complications for long-time plans of the Empire. While I applaud your efforts to help the Faithful, I worry that your unilateral efforts may complicate Her Majesties' management of the Minmitar "problem". While you are of course free to and will probably disegard the thoughts of a mere commoner, like me, I urge you to exercise prudence and caution. I am willing to send you non-military supplies to the extent the Faithful in the regions concerned may need humanitarian aid.
*closes the book, puches a button on her datapad, and ends the feed* |

Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
283
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Posted - 2013.02.22 18:26:00 -
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Koronakesh wrote:I find this idea of arming and training individuals who are placed within a crowded, hostile environment quite laudable and will be making appropriate donations to that effect.
No, you won't be. |

Mensha Khael Crow
House Murder
61
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Posted - 2013.02.22 18:29:00 -
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How often need I warn people away from attempting, or claiming capacity, to reading my mind? I have stated what is happening and the reasons for it. If as Electus Matari member Annabella Rella claims these news are independent, individual cases. Then the only results from this is few people more within the Republic with a capacity to resist raids by any pirates. If she speaks truth, then there is little harm done to and possible respect to gain by the Faithful by protecting their neighbours against illegal slave raids.
Ms. Aspenstar, it is not my habit to disregard what people say. So while I may disagree or hold my own counsel your words will get measured I assure you. Capitulizing to demands to relocate law-abiding Republic inhabitants of Faith, based on minmatar claims that even though all of Amarr Faith are perfectly safe, increasing their ability to self-defence will somehow escalate things? No, I think not.
House Murder assisting some other Amarrian outreach programs helping those disillusioned with the freedoms of minmatar Republic? Possibly, however such discussion does not touch upon this particular effort.
As empyrean Noh stated we are not in a situation where we are forced to choose between one or the other. |

Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
3332
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Posted - 2013.02.22 19:47:00 -
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Gosakumori Noh wrote:Saede Riordan wrote:I believe someone once said, Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. I support your initiative and will make contributions to it when I am able. Huh. Well, she doesn't have the plumbing I had in mind... and she's not on the ground.... but she is a Sebiestor, and so I think it must be Heaven's will that I make good on my second pledge. Best wishes!
wat.
Torn from grace, gotta find your faith or the devils gonna claim your soul
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Gosakumori Noh
Viziam Amarr Empire
106
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Posted - 2013.02.23 00:29:00 -
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Saede Riordan wrote:Gosakumori Noh wrote:Saede Riordan wrote:I believe someone once said, Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. I support your initiative and will make contributions to it when I am able. Huh. Well, she doesn't have the plumbing I had in mind... and she's not on the ground.... but she is a Sebiestor, and so I think it must be Heaven's will that I make good on my second pledge. Best wishes! wat.
I had suggested previously that if His Excellency were ever to expand his program to include recruiting members of the Sebiestor Tribe to his noble cause, I should happily match my initial contribution. Although I prefer my Sebiestor in a different package, your statement struck me as Close Enough For Serendipity, and so I forwarded my second pledge - may it help those most in need.
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King Moroni
Men of Wealth and Taste Legio Damnata
2
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Posted - 2013.02.23 01:48:00 -
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Mr. Crow
I'm trying to honestly find a more productive advance of your casue. Surely my father (as of late) wouldn't approve of, or the rise of, potential conflict. Granted there are alot of hate crimes. But our God is bevelonet and knows the individual crysis's of our hearts. perhaps a more local building of protective services? I'm sure funding for that would well be quite easy to get. and you can use those small arms to army the protective services. that sounds like a win win to me...
Frankly i don't understant why amarr citizens would even go into a questionable places to temporarly live if the threat is high. Don't we have levels of dangers for travel to certain places? |
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