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mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
256
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Posted - 2013.02.19 10:03:00 -
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Boohoo. MMOs need to be constantly balanced or else they develop serious problems. It's healthy for the game.
What's that saying? Adapt or Die. |
Radamant Nemess
Caribbean Coke Enterprises
6
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Posted - 2013.02.19 10:04:00 -
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Cazador 64 wrote: I made a post that can carry out a decent conversation and intend to keep it going.
actually just...
Cazador 64 wrote: decent conversation
On eve forum? You`re joking, right? Tenderness will crush your heart |
GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
232
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Posted - 2013.02.19 10:04:00 -
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Andski wrote:Dante Uisen wrote:Hannott Thanos wrote:New HAM cyclone is awesome! you should try a ham sandwich with mustard, it's even better. do you have a good recipe for ham stew
Eh, I guess it MIGHT work with some onions, brassicas, pepper and mustard, light stock, and potatoes but **** why would you stew with ham when superior alternatives exist |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
844
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Posted - 2013.02.19 10:10:00 -
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The drake is still capable of doing about 300-400 DPS and shooting between 30-50km with HMLs all while having about 60,000-80,000 EHP and permanently running a MWD travelling at nearly 900m/s.
If it is still all that AFTER the nerf, then I think it probably needed one.
Drakes aren't as useless as people think, it's still a pretty good kiting battlecruier, it just means that it may not be appropriate to all circumstances as it was before. "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |
GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
232
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Posted - 2013.02.19 10:11:00 -
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Post for content: The drake changes are pretty well thought out. The HAM cyclone is pretty kickass and I think i'll be flying them quite a bit. New Ferox looks to have some serious potential as a brawler. Previous missile changes have made rockets a lot more viable.
tl;dr Caldari is in a reasonable place (though BS and capital missiles really need some work, paging CCP Fozzie) |
baltec1
Bat Country
5299
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Posted - 2013.02.19 10:15:00 -
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I have always wondered at what point does ham become pork and if its normal to crave ham and apple sause samich. |
Lexmana
931
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Posted - 2013.02.19 10:17:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:I have always wondered at what point does ham become pork and if its normal to crave ham and apple sause samich. I think it is all about the booty. And why does nobody mention bacon? |
Dante Uisen
Push button receive bacon
62
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Posted - 2013.02.19 10:20:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:I have always wondered at what point does ham become pork and if its normal to crave ham and apple sause samich. ham is the hind leg, while pork can come from any part of the pig.
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Dante Uisen
Push button receive bacon
62
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Posted - 2013.02.19 10:20:00 -
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Lexmana wrote:baltec1 wrote:I have always wondered at what point does ham become pork and if its normal to crave ham and apple sause samich. I think it is all about the booty. And why does nobody mention bacon?
please don't derail the ham thread with talk of bacon. |
Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
1872
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Posted - 2013.02.19 10:25:00 -
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I like the fact that the OP completely disregard mentioning the upcoming buff to the other shipclasses. "I'd rather have other players-áget shot by other players than not interacting with others" -CCP Soundwave |
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GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
232
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Posted - 2013.02.19 10:31:00 -
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Dante Uisen wrote:Lexmana wrote:baltec1 wrote:I have always wondered at what point does ham become pork and if its normal to crave ham and apple sause samich. I think it is all about the booty. And why does nobody mention bacon? please don't derail the ham thread with talk of bacon.
This thread is now the new stew thread |
baltec1
Bat Country
5299
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Posted - 2013.02.19 10:32:00 -
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Dante Uisen wrote:baltec1 wrote:I have always wondered at what point does ham become pork and if its normal to crave ham and apple sause samich. ham is the hind leg, while pork can come from any part of the pig.
Ah I see. |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
805
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Posted - 2013.02.19 10:33:00 -
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mechtech wrote:Boohoo. MMOs need to be constantly balanced or else they develop serious problems. It's healthy for the game.
What's that saying? Adapt or Die. more like "boohoo. despite all assertions to the contrary the metagame will go stale if CCP doesn't shake it up every now and then by creating a new FOTM"
(CCP has been pretty open about this recently - they are not looking for "perfect" balance, they are looking to keep the metagame interesting even if doing so results in temporary imbalances - and that's a very controversial stance for them to take.) I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid. |
Dante Uisen
Push button receive bacon
62
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Posted - 2013.02.19 10:36:00 -
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GallowsCalibrator wrote:Dante Uisen wrote:Lexmana wrote:baltec1 wrote:I have always wondered at what point does ham become pork and if its normal to crave ham and apple sause samich. I think it is all about the booty. And why does nobody mention bacon? please don't derail the ham thread with talk of bacon. This thread is now the new stew thread
by stew do you then mean the medieval word for brothel? |
DrunkenNinja
The Milkmen Test Alliance Please Ignore
104
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Posted - 2013.02.19 10:36:00 -
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Tubrug1 wrote:tl;dr the OP doesn't know what he's talking about.
Lol, and you do? They're removing a launcher from the drake. *****ing drastic overcompensation. By over nerfing things, they just make the remaining ships OP.
Would CCP for some reason would rather have Amarr and Gallente overpowered for a while, just because Caldari and Minmatar "had their day in the sun?" that's how it seems. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
395
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Posted - 2013.02.19 10:44:00 -
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What the...? Caracal is #3? Just wow!
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GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
232
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Posted - 2013.02.19 10:50:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:What the...? Caracal is #3? Just wow!
Also like how people whine about Cane getting "a lot more kills" than Drake when Drake is #6 and Cane #5.
Deservedly so, the new Caracal is incredible |
Hannott Thanos
Notorious Legion
362
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Posted - 2013.02.19 11:10:00 -
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DrunkenNinja wrote:Tubrug1 wrote:tl;dr the OP doesn't know what he's talking about. Lol, and you do? They're removing a launcher from the drake. *****ing drastic overcompensation. By over nerfing things, they just make the remaining ships OP. Would CCP for some reason would rather have Amarr and Gallente overpowered for a while, just because Caldari and Minmatar "had their day in the sun?" that's how it seems. And they doubled it's kinetic damage bonus. They also removed a gun from the Brutix, Myrmidon and the Harbinger. Your point? |
Joran Dravius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
85
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Posted - 2013.02.19 11:16:00 -
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Drakes needed a nerf. Cry me a river and go ******* drown in it. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6888
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Posted - 2013.02.19 11:18:00 -
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I have an idea
Reintroduce the Hurricane with the old stats as a "Hurricane Fleet Issue" ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
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Joran Dravius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
85
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Posted - 2013.02.19 11:22:00 -
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DrunkenNinja wrote:They're removing a launcher from the drake. *****ing drastic overcompensation. They gave it a damage buff you tard. It has a double bonus now. |
Nalha Saldana
Ordo Drakonis Nulli Secunda
683
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Posted - 2013.02.19 11:38:00 -
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Oh and completely ignore to mention that the drake DPS got buffed today..
Before patch 7*1,25=8,75 effective launchers
Post patch 6*1,5=9 effective launchers
Sure this is at BC V but the dps will be same pre/post at IV. |
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CCP Gargant
C C P C C P Alliance
483
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Posted - 2013.02.19 11:38:00 -
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Cleaned this thread up a bit. Stay kosher guys, and live in harmony or I will get floundered. CCP Gargant | Community Representative | EVE Illuminati |
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DrunkenNinja
The Milkmen Test Alliance Please Ignore
104
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Posted - 2013.02.19 11:44:00 -
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If Drake DPS got a buff forget what I said, I am now glad to be a shield tanker :D. |
Silk daShocka
Greasy Hair Club
314
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Posted - 2013.02.19 12:05:00 -
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Using eve-kill top 20 to judge performance is pretty silly for several reasons.
To name one, drakes are being used much less in null-sec fleet doctrines since HML nerf. You don't mention this, yet it has a huge impact on the topic you present. Despite being used less in those doctrines, drake still remains on the top 20, nearly tied with the hurricane.
Pretty much every ship on the top 20 is being used in null fleet doctrines. This doesn't mean they are overpowered. This means that they fit the current tactical meta game, among other things.
Then there is also the issue of what skills people have available to them. I don't know the statistics on this, but let's say more eve players have the skills to fit minmatar ships and fly them well. Thus, more people would fly minmatar ships, and generate more kills with them not because they are winning every fight, but because there's just more of them out there. That being said, one can assume the top 20 eve-kill list represents more so what ships are being flown the most, then what ships are the strongest. This argument is further reinforced by null-sec doctrines, where the FC is generally deciding what the pilots will be flying. With the CFC having a doctrine for maelstroms, having many doctrines that use huggins and scimitars, hurricane doctrines, TFI doctrines etc., many pilots have probably trained projectile and minmatar spaceship skills to a competent level.
TL:DR eve-kill top 20 is a terrible reference for determining ship balance, without including other relevant statistics. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
1715
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Posted - 2013.02.19 12:49:00 -
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Cazador 64 wrote:So I wanted to pick up on a Subject about nerfs that are coming primarily to the drake. CCP tends to nerf more then buff due to what they like to call "the power creep"
Almost every single tech 1 frigate and cruiser just got boosted in the last few releases.
Your thread is invalid after 2 lines. I stopped reading.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Dante Uisen
Push button receive bacon
72
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Posted - 2013.02.19 12:56:00 -
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War Kitten wrote:Cazador 64 wrote:So I wanted to pick up on a Subject about nerfs that are coming primarily to the drake. CCP tends to nerf more then buff due to what they like to call "the power creep"
Almost every single tech 1 frigate and cruiser just got boosted in the last few releases. Your thread is invalid after 2 lines. I stopped reading.
The first line contains 'nerf' and 'drake', that alone should have told you to stop reading, you clearly have to much faith in the eve community. |
nomad Raholan
1st Steps Academy Fidelas Constans
9
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Posted - 2013.02.19 14:02:00 -
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I'm ok with the changes, I made the "mistake" of cross training when I 1st started but am now able to take advantage of it with a great range of pretty much, new ships to fly. My only real complaint is the poor old Ferox, why the 10% range bonus? Would much rather have seen it swap the (pretty much useless) 8th high for a mid and a damage bonus, or extra low slot for an extra damage mod. As it is, with 7 highs you can't fit T2 250's at all and fitting T2 200's for most will require fitting mods/rigs to be able to fit any sort of tank on it. It will still make a half decent blaster fit brawler (logi keep me locked please)
Disagree with me if you like.. My opinion is free and mine only..
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GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
232
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Posted - 2013.02.19 15:43:00 -
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Andski wrote:I have an idea
Reintroduce the Hurricane with the old stats as a "Hurricane Fleet Issue"
I support anything that would result in a Fleet Issue skinned Hurricane, even if it only had 1/1/1 fitting |
Caltharian
0beron Construct AL3XAND3R.
9
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Posted - 2013.02.19 15:51:00 -
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overall the drake got a buff, not only is the dps at BC 4 the same as prepatch but now with 1 launcher less x amount of ammo in your hold will last you longer than it did before. Add to that the drakes cargo hold has been increased means you now have to go alot longer between docking for more missiles
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