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PropanElgen
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Posted - 2003.07.20 12:09:00 -
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Maarek whatever, you didn't get the point anyways.
All the angels and the puny men of god looked away...
Frightened to death by the evil that was born on that day!
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M0RPHEUS
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Posted - 2003.07.20 12:44:00 -
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pfff the more ppl talk **** the more inclined i am to undock and make a little bloodfest...btw i also roleplay like that, so i cant be bothered ;) personal choice for everyone...just there is a line, if yous step over it - i will buy a ticket and come to ur doorstep and make u eat ur balls...thats all
Edited by: M0RPHEUS on 20/07/2003 12:44:43
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M0RIARTY
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Posted - 2003.07.20 15:36:00 -
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Quote from the back of the EVE game box:
"CHOOSE A PROFESSION
Dauntless fleet commander, or the most nefarious pirate ever to terrorize the galaxy - be and do anything you'd never dare to imagine."
Well I have had my fair share of run ins with pirates, mainly The m0o, Ive been deshipped and once Jort pod killed me, I have even been in thier system taunting them for failing to destroy my unarmed shuttle. The way I see it if you PK then you are going to set yourself up to abuse from the people you kill, I dont agree with the personal threat thing, thats real lame, I also think pod killing is real lame too, but what can you do? Well you could gather up a posse and go for a good old fashioned lynching :) but the fact is alot of people havent got the gumption to organise themselves into a positive group to take such action. But at the end of the day it is just a game. As someone else said earlier in the thread if you cant tell the difference then get professional help. There is no room for racist or threats to peeps to be carried out in RL in this game, if you get that kind of thing then file an harrasment complaint.
Sorry to be so long winded, but pirates are a fact of life, you either got to live with it or get together and do something about it.
PPS to Zap, Rev, J0rt and the other early bovine guys, you guys do your job and do it well, but just lately you have allowed a couple of lamers into your corp, and you know who they are, they bleet on about honour and stuff. They wouldnt understand about honour if it were ramed up thier asses with a ten foot barge pole. ;)
Noo sig comming SOONÖ
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What are we going to do about all this ignorance and apathy?.... I don't know and I don't care! |
Leodic Elfman
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Posted - 2003.07.20 16:30:00 -
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O_o
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Magallen
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Posted - 2003.07.20 19:00:00 -
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I also don't agree with the people that make personal threats to in game players. Doesn't matter what kind of injustice you think the griefer or so called "pirate" inflicted upon your character and hard work, you have no right to cross that boundry into the personal and private world of that opposite player.
If you get killed by a player it's all your fault. PK'rs are a dime a dozen, it starts and ends with you, next time don't allow your self to get caught.
Go ahead and vent your anger and frustration at the person who destroyed your achievements but don't get personal. EVE needs bad guys.
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Trill Asam
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Posted - 2003.07.20 19:10:00 -
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Megallen wtf are you on about, don't let yourself get caught, how the hell are you supposed to know they are at a gate if no one on local is talking about it, and if you get warp jammed and webified straight away there is nothing you can do except pray, I would like to see you get caught in a trap by zap and jort and see if you can get away from it.
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Fetty Chico
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Posted - 2003.07.20 19:37:00 -
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..heh..I like how both side blane the other..pking is a ="grey" area
both sides did sumthin
the pirate choose to be a pirate
the player wasnt observant
of course high some folks being high sec pirates..hard to tell
maybe should have it where sec rateing changes no matter where you are..but only in Empire will Concord rating drop so you cant buther people and no one know, yet the cops will leave ya alone since you aint been caught in the act by them
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Tell my tale to those who ask.
Tell it truly - the ill deeds, along with the good - and let me be judged accordingly.
If this world was supposed to be friendly
CCP wouldnt have wasted time paying the devs to code so many weapons |
Maarek Steele
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Posted - 2003.07.21 04:42:00 -
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Trill, any fool with half a brain, knowledge of his ship, and the smarts to read a map can avoid and foil even the most carefully laid traps.
God knows I've run my cruiser by 3 battleships and 9 cruisers all waiting at a gate for me and I got by very easily.
-=Maarek Steele=-
Have gun, will travel. |
Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2003.07.21 20:06:00 -
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probably the original poster should have been clearer.
What he's referring to is not "Thou treacherous cowards, face me!" craptalk in local, or even "Arg hyou gd pirates i'm gonna kill you all i swear you podding bastards!" as that's part of the deal...
He means getting mail that suddenly remind you that the majority of the Internet seems to be populated by Kentucky circa 1844*. Really, it's amazing that the 19th century can pilot a spaceship...
*no offense to anyone actually in Kentucky, unless, of course, you are an idiot.
You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike. |
Fusco T
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Posted - 2003.07.21 22:41:00 -
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Well obviously certain comments are probably a bit over the top.
However like someone mentioned anyone with half a brain should understand. As a pirate who gets a catch is now forcing his will onto other said player. This person in most cases will be locked down 9 ways to sunday and face odds that are far beyond impossible.
The person pays or gets podded. Now he is in a position where he cannot exact revenge so he fights back with the tools available to him. Hopefully to illicit a similar feeling in the pirate that he now feels.
It's not hard to understand human nature.
Hmmm trash talk? I've heard ooc type stuff from m3g4, Sinister corp, moo, project mayhem and one other that escapes me. This all being said to someone in local channel.
Isn't it just a wee bit hypocritical to create a bad effect on someone and then cry when they create a bad one on you?
Trouble with alot of "pirates" is they want it their way all the time.
Maybe you should recall a little thing your mom or dad taught you when you were a youngster 'Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me.'
There is NOTHING you or anyone could say to me that would cause me harrasment or cause me to file a petition because 'the bad man called me a ngr'.
BTW: Your funny lookin' and your momma wears combat boots.
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Nibarlan
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Posted - 2003.07.22 05:04:00 -
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*hugs pirate and steals his wallet
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In space no one can hear you scream...unless you scream on the radio, then everybody on that channel can hear you...but only if your in a ship, because they wouldn't hear you if you were in space and screamed into the radio
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Gerben
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Posted - 2003.07.22 09:53:00 -
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How do you know that?
Are you spying on my mum 
And my rupture was shot by pirates and I did not whine about it. Am I cool now?
Too infinity and beyond!!! |
Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2003.07.22 12:36:00 -
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Vendris: you oughtta hang around when Oracle and the 1st Praetorian Guard run into each other. It's fun 
PropanElgen: grasp at straws much? He didn't get your "point" because it's about as sharp as a bowling ball. If you really actually BELIEVE all that %&$?!! flowing from your mouth, Get Help Fast.
You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike. |
Ivanav Soulsteal
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Posted - 2003.07.22 20:22:00 -
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[The same can be said for our foes. I have yet to see any enemy come charging headlong into us when he doesnt have the 3:1 odds required to even think about a successful frontal assault.]
You have a short memory....
I remember taking your gang on not to long a go me against 7 of you, I did not run till 2 more of your gang showed.
I also rememeber remarking asking if those were warning shots, cause you kept missing me. 
And so it begins.... |
Anastasia Grimoire
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Posted - 2003.07.23 20:50:00 -
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Hmmm, it's kinda a double-edged knife, inn't? Yes, it's a game. And people think they have a right to say what they want, simply because they're paying customers.
Well, guess what?
If you're making ethnic slurs, using *overly* harsh amounts of profanity, or in general, being an ass with your mouth, you've now become a turn-off to all the *other* paying players. You may pay your $15/mo. Those people together may pay $150/mo. Guess who wins? :)
I've been pirated twice in this game, now. The first time, they locked me down, disabled my warb drive, webbed me, and then demanded cash. I paid them what I could, and they publicly ridiculed me for being poor. But all in all, it actually had to flair to it, and I thought it was actually cool. The 2nd time? 2 of the 'M3G4 Morons' blew me up while I was minding my own business in Hakonen, just to see if I had 'ph4t l3wt' on me. Bleh. Fun.
So I'd like to take a moment to thank all the 'RP' pirates out there. Especially the ones that have taken it upon themselves to wipe out the more idiotic folks who seem to take pleasure from ruining the game experience. You make take my cash from time to time, but at least you don't leave me bored. :P
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Barb Wire
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Posted - 2003.07.24 15:28:00 -
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I rarely POD people but I make exceptions for foul mouthed children. So the next time you open your yap... be mindfull of what spews fourth.
Wasn't me! |
Hampstah
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Posted - 2003.07.24 16:28:00 -
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I relish really good hate mail from my "customers". I play a pirate, I am taking peoples hard earned money and blowing up their ships - I have to expect a little hostility. I have yet to have any personal threats, that is really bizarre behavior for an online game.
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Bas Rutten
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Posted - 2003.07.24 19:39:00 -
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I think I addressed this in another thread b4 but yah...
I think some things have to come together for a person to insult and threaten someone in the way Maarek mentioned. The loss of expensive stuff, the "humiliation" of defeat and maybe a quick temper. Weird thing is no one is as ****ed when losing a ship to npc. Might be something psychological...
Although that doesn¦t justify anything, it just explains. Then put a little immaturity into the game and you have one of the worst flame mails ever.
I totally agree with CCP banning such ppl ... cause this crap can surely ruin a community. I for myself would actually lose the mood to play after a while when such things kept up, hence, I remember very good why I stopped chatting in the gamespy lobby if anyone knows what I mean.
Amongst all the so-called griefers and exploiters, the ones mistaking a game with RL are the worst imho.
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Deny the Urge - brutal Death from Germoney
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Lord WinZip
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Posted - 2003.07.25 10:56:00 -
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Well the hard work people have put into getting/equipping their ship, that gets blown away in an instant isnt very motivating indeed.
The game is in some sort of stand off if you ask me. Only a few scenarios exist:
1. Pirates at a gate, you get shot and get killed
2. Pirates at a gate, you run and live
3. Pirates at a gate, group comes in and the pirates run
There just isnt a way to win from pirates. If they think they cant handle it, they run.. Probably with cargoholds full of really nice loot and cash already. They do not depend on a working market because people bring the stuff to them for free, all they need to do is lock on and press F1 - F8. I bet they've got so much good loot in stock they can equip themselves 100 times over, with enough cash to have multiple battleships on stock.
But for (example) the indy hauler its aanother matter. He has to work 3x as hard and read endless lines in the trade channel to get better guns / expanders / whatever for a lot of cash. Move through endless gates where npc pirates drain the shield and player pirates finish him/her off.
I like pirates in this game.. i wouldnt want to see them go away at all. I do feel that this game needs another major change to make it all more balanced. The pirate's payoff is just too good and the risk is low.
Us normal folks just want to stand a chance and make a difference and not just be cannonfodder for an armada of battleships.
Perhaps its the Quake spirit in me (this is my first MMOG) that demands the chance to overcome a large number of enemies just because i'm better then them.
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OvErLoDe
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Posted - 2003.07.25 11:14:00 -
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Edited by: OvErLoDe on 25/07/2003 11:15:27
Well i've gotta say after reading the posts here a certain sort of attitude is acceptable for pirate behaviour. I for one have been podded like many others and simply sent an eve-mail to my killer saying "You will pay for your actions." No racial abuse or such, not even an insult in local. At the end of the day it is just a game still and I agree with earlier comments about if you feel the need to use racial or sexual insults then I dont think you should be playing. Normal foul language is pretty much expected but nothing more. I agree that pirates DO add excitement to the game, without them EVE would be a very dull place. So all you out there who are so aggressively against being podded, go sit in a 1.0 system and try and entertain yourself.
One last thing, CCP should really clamp down on this racial ****, it isn't accepted in RL so why should it be in a game?
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Acix
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Posted - 2003.07.25 18:53:00 -
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Edited by: Acix on 25/07/2003 18:55:46
Its funny, I have learned the hard way that EVE favors the runner period. I have escaped many a gate camper. Its really easy if you just set yourself up for the worst possible outcome you will normally come out on top.
I was in a system that was claimed by what I would consider positive sec. rating pirates. I tried to reason with them and even flew a few informational flights to see what they would shoot at me. THey had me pinned in a station from time to time. But I never lost my ship. I tried to reason with them and try to work together with them and they just started accusing me of this and that, ended being a big stalemate. They said that I brought the problem on myself because i wouldn't leave. I turned the tables with a few well placed forum bounties. Got one of their members corpse deleivered to me and nearly had another. I would have liked to have worked with them but they were closed minded and didn't understand that cooperation makes EVE go-round. We were just miners and could have helped them expand with our recource gathering. This single minded bully mentality made me leave the area when i was accepted to the EVE Marshals. We now go after the pirates, but man is it really hard to chase the runner. I really wish the pirates would come to me and I could just sit in one place and wait like pirates do. The tactics going into taking out a gate camping pirate are 10 fold of that of just gate camping are. The pirates have a chance to web and scramble before someone gets to a gate. We don't have the luxury of time, because the gate camper just right-clicks the gate and jumps; while we wait til our hulls discharge so we can get a shot at targeting them. It mostly ends in just running a pirate off. I would like to see some kind of balance to make it just as risky to camp a gate as it is to try to take out a gate camper. This would probobly get rid of half the spam you pirates get. Concord keeps track of the pirates but doesn't fire on them when the pirates come into empire space, kind of retarded but thats the way the game is. My roomates who also play decided about a week and a half ago that they were just going to start a rampage of death and destruction. I watched them kill going from system to system just taking people out. In curse 0.0 space they didn't even drop from thier +4.0 sec ratings even podding people. In that small amount of time they have made more money than they made in the entire rest of the time they were playing. 1.5 weeks pirating > over 2 months of hard work mining and killing NPC's. It seems the easy way out of the game to me, and it just seems that when the balance comes back to the middle again that there will end up being large conseques for what they are doing now. My one roomate is getting spam from the same group over and over about how they are going to kill him. Its about 10 a day right now, and this is over a guy that they just fired on and didn't even get to destroy his ship before he got away (he planned for what he was doing and used a micro warp drive to get away, very smart person). They now have started another tactic of looking for small corps and declairing war against them in high sec systems. They can kill them all day long and just take what they want from the start-up corp. As he said it is like shooting a fish in a barrel. He is making soooooo much money doing this its really out of control. In the next few days they will go buy a battleship off the spoils of pirating. They said they won't do this forever, they have alt characters that are in thier corp that have positive sec ratings, and when they have enough money together they will kill off thier main characters and go on with the alts and make a new corp that has everything right off the bat. Its not forbiden in EVE to do this and I am sure they were not the first to thnk of it. It really SMELLS like some kind of exploit to me...........
Anyway sorry for rambling but I understand both sides and just have to say that what is going on is not excuseable. But as many have tried to say in the wrong way eariler in the thread. There are idiots all over the world, and if you become a pirate you are going to have to understand that you will get this reaction from time to time. The trick is trying to figure out a way to deal with it. Because unless CCP starts having a behavioral screening process to filter these people out you will find them once in a while.
I do like the pirates that we can have good conversations with before and after engagements. TheBinary has been a great opponent so far and makes this game more enjoyable than I thought it could be. We might chase him though systems and chat area's from time to time but we don't step over the lines. We might ask him why he doesn't want to come back and play with 15 cruisers against his Battleship, but it mostly ends in good hearted fun.
SNIGG is now officially open for business. We are a merc corp looking for contracts.
For more info click below
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=68313 |
Hampstah
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Posted - 2003.07.25 19:07:00 -
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Acix, could you condense that in the Reader's Digest version? I'm at work and don't have a lot of time to read.
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Acix
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Posted - 2003.07.25 22:36:00 -
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I ramble, i said sorry.................
Don't make me start again................
SNIGG is now officially open for business. We are a merc corp looking for contracts.
For more info click below
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=68313 |
Maarek Steele
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Posted - 2003.07.26 00:40:00 -
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Fusco, what we are doing is not Illegal in the eyes of any Country. Making racial slurs can be prosecuted in some, and certainly threatening someone physically over the internet, even in a game, can be punished by the law.
Its obvious you're one of those people who take this game so seriously that you would make OOC threats to someone. Attempting to justify these in anyway is simply asinine.
I want to make this clear, the next person who uses racial slurs, any form of bigotry, or threats of physical violence against myself or my corpmates will find themselves in a whole lot of legal trouble. With proof these remakrs and anything that constitutes 'harassment' I can subpoena CCP for their account info in order to bring criminal charges against them.
Make no mistake, I will prosecute the person(s) to the fullest extent of the law.
-=Maarek Steele=-
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Beseb
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Posted - 2003.07.26 02:51:00 -
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Lol, stfu Maarek and lighten up.
Maarek "Don't call me bad names or I'll sue you". And who is taking this game too seriously?
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Fusco T
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Posted - 2003.07.26 03:37:00 -
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I'm probably someone who would do that? How's that my little junior professor?
If you're so tender as to let words get you that riled up maarek you might need to 'thicken your skin'.
The big bad world is much worse than some keyboard jockey hurling baseless insults.
BTW: Maybe you could close your legs I can smell your last boyfriend. :)
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Keltin
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Posted - 2003.07.26 03:46:00 -
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Your lawsuit wouldn't even make it out of arbitration.
I thought Maarek had a point, but something doesn't smell right about the entire ordeal.
Some have called Maarek a hypocrite which I definitely find true.
Harrassment is a crime, you are right. Trying to legitamize your "harassing" actions by saying it is within game rules is slightly different, and you do admit you enjoy harassing people.
I've played a ton of PvP games and only rarely have I had any conversations with my opponents. If they started yelling or screaming I simply ignored it. I am sure I have had a few curse words and attacks on my family type threats, but really I knew they were full of it and that it was not going to happen.
And now the mighty Maarek has not only revealed he can no longer take the stress, but that he will bring a lawsuit against anyone who does the things he mentioned. Hmm is your threatening to sue people in RL an RL reaction to a game? You have come full circle Maarek, you are now making RL threats against people also. Welcome to the real world.
"I have never had so much fun playing a game that I have trouble staying awake playing!" |
Maarek Steele
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Posted - 2003.07.26 04:12:00 -
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Edited by: Maarek Steele on 26/07/2003 04:23:08
-=Maarek Steele=-
Have gun, will travel. |
Keltin
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Posted - 2003.07.26 04:20:00 -
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I would ban your account according to Rule #7 of the ToS.
Private communication between the Game Masters, Eve Team members, moderators and administrators of the forum and the forum users is not to be made public on these forums or by any other venue.
You are not permitted to publicize any private correspondence (including petitions) received from any of the aforementioned.
"I have never had so much fun playing a game that I have trouble staying awake playing!" |
Maarek Steele
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Posted - 2003.07.26 04:20:00 -
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Quick info about that message, it was sent to the browser on my phone. I only use the name "Maarek Steele" in Eve, so someone is obviously taking the game a little too serious, no?
-=Maarek Steele=-
Have gun, will travel. |
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