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ikreb ysug
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Posted - 2003.07.18 19:51:00 -
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EvE is becoming a trash mouth community. Whenever a pirate becomes outnumbered and trapped in a station, the 'good' guys begin throwing taunts and foul language at the pirate/s. Honestley, most pirate DO NOT trash talk as much as you 'miner' folk do. That is a common stereotype of pirates. We are not all trash talking l337 speaking morons. We choose to put some spice into the game. Yes I can see you using harsh words when you lose your temper but plz people it's getting rediculous.
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Neslo
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Posted - 2003.07.18 20:28:00 -
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SHUT UP YOU F()*&)*(&^ PIRATE. COME OUT AND FIGHT LIKE YOU DID WHEN YOU PODDED OUR FRIEND, F(*)&(& A*&(&HOLE.... lol... ok enough roleplaying. Seriously its *** that pirates come to a system and shoot miners... and complain that people are complaining! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA... go home.
From Ashes to Ashes... From Dust to Dust....
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.07.18 22:30:00 -
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/me hugs the sensitive pirate
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Macumba
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Posted - 2003.07.18 23:26:00 -
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Yeah! Scum has feelings too you know.
"PVP = griefing" Papa Smurf |
Nirvy
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Posted - 2003.07.18 23:55:00 -
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hehe a pirate with a sensitive feminine side.
Pigs *do* fly :)
Seriously..some of the younger subscribers will always use bad language..just ignore it, its nothing really..i mean isnt taking abuse both verbally and physically part of being a pirate? People remember when you pod them..and thus take pleasure when it comes around and they have you on the run
Edited by: Nirvy on 18/07/2003 23:58:38
Mercenary | The Azath |
Nybbas
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Posted - 2003.07.18 23:55:00 -
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Really though, if you are going to be a pirate.... dont be expecting respect.
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Maarek Steele
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Posted - 2003.07.18 23:56:00 -
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He's got a point. Most of us go out of our way to RP and be respectful to our victims. Were I to insult my victims and call them the names that some have called me, the boards would be full of "******* pirates grief you and insult you im sueing111!!!11".
Keep it IC, and thats fine. But when people start going for OOC attacks for no reason, then there is a serious problem not only with that player, but anyone who condones such actions.
-=Maarek Steele=-
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syndic4te
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Posted - 2003.07.19 00:07:00 -
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no reason to be rude or mean, you are taking his money and blowing his ship up if he dont pay.
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Macumba
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Posted - 2003.07.19 00:13:00 -
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Maarek, The Gang are the exception to the rule.
Most of the "pirates" I've come across in Eve have been the biggest bunch of charisma bypass patients this side of a Linux convention.
To the untrained eye, piracy in Eve resembles Counterstrike in space.
"PVP = griefing" Papa Smurf |
Maarek Steele
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Posted - 2003.07.19 01:29:00 -
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See I've dealt with and pirated with Space Invaders, Spectral Armada, and several lone pirates in my time here, none have ever shown on the whole to be anything less than a class act. Yes there are exceptions in terms of invidivuals, but as a whole, in my experience, the situation is usually the opposite of what you describe.
Maybe I should post a log from my last encounter with 2 players from Solarwind, if you wanna get harkened back to Counterstrike, that surely will.
-=Maarek Steele=-
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Haunty Moto
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Posted - 2003.07.19 02:40:00 -
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Probably best to just ignore the trash talking. Every time I saw people trash talking pirates in a system, the pirates would just trash talk back and it would go on forever.
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Maarek Steele
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Posted - 2003.07.19 14:18:00 -
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Theres a difference between the trash talk on local (which is usually just friendly banter) and the **** ppl send us in convo's and evemails.
-=Maarek Steele=-
Have gun, will travel. |
Hyden
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Posted - 2003.07.19 15:09:00 -
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Being silent is a tactic...makes them wonder what you are doing...=)
Ensign hyden(Mining & Transport) - Logistics Division - Hadean Drive Yards
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Werewolf
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Posted - 2003.07.19 16:56:00 -
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With few exceptions, all the pirates i have seen or heard of have been juvenile, instinct-driven killing machines who cannot grasp the basic concept of empathy. As a rule of thumb, pirates deserve all the abuse we can heap upon them. It's no use trying to reason with the little 1337 |<1||4z, just pod em and throw in some insults about their mothers, it's all they understand anyway.
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Maarek Steele
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Posted - 2003.07.19 18:23:00 -
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Really werewolf? Give us some names. I want to know who all these immature pirates are. I've had dealing with just about every "Pirate" corp in the game, either as my main or while training up an alt, and I can say I have had 1 encounter with someone who was like that. 1.
I've had far more from the likes of Squirrel, Gai2, any of the Quake Addict DPs, Singular, Silverstriker, HazelJedi, Juxta. The list goes on and on.
-=Maarek Steele=-
Have gun, will travel. |
Alvin
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Posted - 2003.07.19 21:39:00 -
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"Whenever a pirate becomes outnumbered and trapped in a station... We choose to put some spice into the game."
Really? Hiding in a station whever you're not guaranteed to win lends "spice" to the game? In what way? Hiding makes the game just the same as if you had never even logged in.
Fighting valiantly against impossible odds; actually accepting a negative consequence of your actions; perhaps that would be "spicy".
On the flip side, only sticking around to fight with overwhelming superiority isn't "spice", either. Hey, look, we can kill a cruiser with our five battleships. Even fighting NPC pirates is more challenging and interesting that that combat -- on either side. Brief, one-sided combats aren't fun for anyone (except of course a sociopathic serial killer as long as he's on the winning side). No "spice" there. The pirates that insist that nothing bad should ever happen to them while they're pirating as just as "carebear" as their fondly-imagined miner stereotype.
A true "roleplaying" pirate would be perfectly happy to have their character imprisoned for life (or hung) when they got caught. Instead, what we see is a lot of whining about the sentry guns might shoot them. You may have noticed most societies don't let disturbed young men hang out at the shopping mall and kill everyone that comes through the entrance with impunity.
I was in a system that got occupied by M00 a little while back. All that happened was that the system got shut down; everyone docked, or jumped. Might as well have been one of those systems you read about daily where everyone gets stuck in-station. No spice there.
The so-called pirates claim to make the game interesting, but in fact they tend just to make it dull. That's not a "carebear" attitude; it's an observation from several MMORPGs. Makes the boards more interesting as people argue about it, but the gameplay itself isn't any better off for having serial killers in it.
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Nerhtal Al'Thali
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Posted - 2003.07.19 22:30:00 -
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to be honest ive not come across many pirates whove been terribly insulting....
but then its a damn sight annoying being podded and some people react funnily i suppose
ive cornered pirates, ive met lord zap (well his nice big artillery shells anyway) and never had any bad mouthing from em...normally they just shut up and kill
so i jam and run (stupid stargates even on pirates side *spits at the pf-346 stargate in orvolle*)
"Game Experience And Dev Opinions May Change With The Time Of Day During Online Play"
Oveur
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Maarek Steele
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Posted - 2003.07.19 22:35:00 -
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Alvin, are you telling me you would stay and fight 5:1 odds? And sorry, I have yet to see a blockade of pirates consisting of anything more than a pair of Big Boys and some cruisers. Most of the time its 5-8 of us in Blackbirds with a few Heavy Cruisers as support.
If we feel we can win, we stay and fight, if not, we run. The same can be said for our foes. I have yet to see any enemy come charging headlong into us when he doesnt have the 3:1 odds required to even think about a successful frontal assault.
When will you people learn, we are not here for combat. We dont spice up the game with combat, we add risk to an otherwise incredibly dull event, long range trading. And if it weren't so dull, we'd see far fewer ppl who've set the autopilot and gone afk.
But maybe they were having so much fun they couldnt stay at the keyboard. Yeah..thats it!
-=Maarek Steele=-
Have gun, will travel. |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.07.19 22:38:00 -
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Maybe all the trash-talkers are just roleplaying their "trash-talking" character...........................
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Crepiscule
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Posted - 2003.07.19 23:01:00 -
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"A true "role-playing" pirate would be perfectly happy to have their character imprisoned for life (or hung) when they got caught. Instead, what we see is a lot of whining about the sentry guns might shoot them.:
Hahahahaha
It's amazing how many non-pirates seem to know so much about role-playing pirates.
Too bad none of them seems to want to give it a try. Must be because it's so easy and they want more of a challenge. Or it could be that if they charged in guns blazing against 5:1 odds they wouldn't have a pot to **** in after a couple of weeks.
Tell you what. You stick to "proper" miner techniques and leave the pirating to others.
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Zeidrich
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Posted - 2003.07.20 02:18:00 -
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hehe.
Sheez.
Give me a break, you expect players to give you there money to no benefit to themselves, or lose the ship that they've been mining for weeks to get.
And then you cry because they say bad words to you?
/shrug.
Take your lumps.
Carebear miners have to live with the fact that there might be mean old pirates hanging around gates ready to blow them up.
Pirates better be able to life with the fact that carebear miners might say mean words that hurt the pirate's feelings when they get blown up. It's part of the package.
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SOL0
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Posted - 2003.07.20 03:41:00 -
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Pirates can go to hell about people sending them mean and demeaning chats and emails. You guys make things run in a way they wouldn't otherwise, but the rest of us who work to progress DON'T care.
"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." |
Maarek Steele
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Posted - 2003.07.20 03:53:00 -
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No you insignifigant *****. I get ****ed off when they threaten to "Come over to your house and beat the **** out of you." or, my personal fav, "Come over******your wife and children." or how about "I bet you're a worthless n*gger, right?". You want more? I could care less if they call me an evil pirate whos out to ruin their fun.
It's funny, you're trying to justify OOC attacks because of IC actions, thats just plain ****** man. This is Just a Game.. If you can't distinguish between actions a person commits in game and the living breathing human behing at the otherside of the keyboard, you have serious issues. We all lose ships, some of us lose them because we are unlucky, others because they are stupid. Do you cuss out NPC pirates in local when they kill you?
Didn't think so. But because its a human being doing it they have to be some immature 13 year old limp **** abused child because they gave you a chance to pay and you told them to **** off.
Sorry, but I have no sympathy for those types. It disgusts me and dramatically increases my apathy towards them as soon as they come out with the OOC insults. I enjoy the IC banter, but when you cross the line, its nothing but a new clone for you.
-=Maarek Steele=-
Have gun, will travel. |
SOL0
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Posted - 2003.07.20 04:16:00 -
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Maarke,
I was not taking it out of the game, and the peices of **** that make comments like those mentions I have no sympathy for either. It is just a game, but I am not one of the people that you mentioned.
"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." |
ikreb ysug
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Posted - 2003.07.20 05:55:00 -
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As Maarek said, I made this post to ask people to leave their bad mouthing in game. As Maarek also said, I've had quite a few "i'm going to kill your family" encounters. You think that isn't something to care about? Then maybe you do need to see a doctor....
Edited by: ikreb ysug on 20/07/2003 05:55:18
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Vendris
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Posted - 2003.07.20 08:19:00 -
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I believe that'd come under the topic of "Harassment". I also believe the police in many countries take an interest in people who make death threats over email, phone, SMS or snail mail.
Trash talk is one thing - Can't say I condone it on public channels because some players are very young. Mind you, what's said is seldom worse than what they'd hear in the playground on a daily basis from their peers, so wtf - however, making threats against people's family is quite another.
It's blatantly against the rules of EVE, (whereas piracy is not), and contrary behaviour expected of a decent human being, game aside.
On a side note, anyone who thinks this is in any way a role playing game, with it's current playerbase in mind, is sadly, sadly deluded.
I wish it was otherwise, but the only bit of roleplaying I've actually seen in-game is CCP lamely making up in character excuses for bugs in the game. I'd much rather hear that something's messed up, they're trying to fix it, and an eta on repair completion, rather than some vague nonsense about pilots going missing in this area of space, or dock workers on strike at this station. Point being, if it's a purely roleplay thing, as a character I'd want to be able to follow up on why pilots are going missing in a particular region of space, or what's got the dock workers so riled up, and is there anything I can do to resolve matters.
If it's posted in an IC manner, it should be IC interactive, otherwise there's no point.
I love a good rant in the morning.
Edited by: Vendris on 20/07/2003 08:23:23
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PropanElgen
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Posted - 2003.07.20 10:22:00 -
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All those remarks you claim ppl sent you, Maarek, could also just be roleplaying.
What, you think a ****ed off pilot who lost his ship wouldn't threaten the lives of the pirate who shot him down or his family? (in other words, your EVE characters' family)
And if someone calls you "n*gger" ingame, you'd report them to the local police or CONCORD, go cry to them and see if they listen...
Ahh, but only the pirates have the right to roleplay, ehh?
Edited by: PropanElgen on 20/07/2003 12:06:00
All the angels and the puny men of god looked away...
Frightened to death by the evil that was born on that day!
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Trill Asam
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Posted - 2003.07.20 11:06:00 -
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Ok first of remember that this is a game.
Secondly, when pirates destroy your ship that cost maybe 7 million and then pod you, you think they are going to send flowers to the pirate who did it to them and say thank you? Of course they are going to be ****ed off. Ok so bad language aint great, but if you think about the amount of people the pirates annoy, personaly I think they deserve it.
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Maarek Steele
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Posted - 2003.07.20 11:51:00 -
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Propan, Trill, you guys illustrate my point nicely. You think its alright for people to say that.
Guess what, the Police don't agree with you, and neither does CCP. I know of at least 2 people who CCP banned for sending us similar messages and since they lived in the US reported them to their ISP.
You are tlaking about pixels in a game. Nothing more. If it really upsets you so much that you feel the need to threaten someone else's life, or the lives of their families, or to go insulting them using racial, sexual, or any other bigoted remarks, you really don't need to be playing.
I'll be honest, I could give a rats ass what most people say in local, its when I start receiving threats from people that we've never had any contact with before that I start to get disturbed.
I suggest both of you seek proffesional help or quit gaming altogether since you don't seem to be able to differentiate between a Role Played Character and a person.
Oh and please, do try to RP that. If you need more to workwith, I have an eve-mail box full of other gems.
-=Maarek Steele=-
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Trill Asam
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Posted - 2003.07.20 12:04:00 -
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I did not say that I support the use of abuse that is racialy or sexualy orientated, or whatever, just that it's no suprise that people in eve use it because of what pirates do, but because it's a game, I don't see why they do send that sort of abuse. I do think that pirates deserve some grief after podding people but not messages sent to their inbox all the time. Discrimination is not something that people should have to deal with on this game. However, it is expected that pirates who pod people wil reviece harsh comments, because you can really annoy people that have worked a long time to get their ship, only to have it destroyed the next day by pirates.
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