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Angelica Cartalino Altruism. Brosefs. 0	Posted - 2013.02.20 05:52:00 - [1] - Quote First let me start by saying I played Eve long before it was a MMO. I like the idea what and its about the only space game out there. I have 3 boys and i can honestly say we have all played Star Trek MMO ( fail) , Start Wars MMO ( another fail) and currently 2 World of Warcraft accounts since the games creation. I have seen many MMO's and games come and go. I actually bought this game when it came out but never opened it up. Maybe its my fault but it never showed much in publicity . Since this past month of playing if you call it that ive lost my ships , there's basically no help and all the old timers have no use to explain anything. You have no current books in any stores and it appears to be one hell of a complex game, but impossible for new players to start , catch up, or really want to play. Im sure all the old players will complain and shoot their mouths off. However look at this from a new players perspective. If you buy a game in which theres really no way to get to any level of the older players( in which they are in a field their own doing way way more advanced stuff talking years in real life?) why would you want to play. Granted the game has evolved 10 fold just like world of warcraft ; but people can still catch up and still play with the bigger boys in the game. You have lost other servers and many players and those that do play get by without paying by killing for paid game time? To me that seems stupid. So the only players that stay playing are free players? Ive sat for literly one month skilling only to still be like nowhere near competent to play this so evolved game. Why would any new player plan on paying for years when they can't progress much? I get it for the old timers ;that being said but then again this game wasn't that evolved and players were all in the same boat when Eve first started. Now you have a huge disadvantage to new Players. I joined a corp just the other day and i mean seriously 4 of us were new to the game a few lost everything of what little bit we did have. We are learning from people ; but still many don't want to talk to you even in your own corp. You are like a pesky fly on the wall. This game is going to go down the tubes like the others if you don't change things or give newbies a buff to skill speed or a basic set of skills to start depending on what they want and a penalty to change it? Something needs to change. SO many people I've talked to ,have said buy a character its the only way. Are you kidding me ill quit before i buy a character or have to play 3 years to get up?? Now don't get me wrong its a great game , concept and the best space MMO but just like Star trek and Star wars they lost all their players because of non content . You are the complete opposite. So much content , no help, no understanding, and so far behind that you cannot play with the main group, and years behind ( literately years behind to catch up).So im asking you DEV's please fix this or it will be the end to your great MMO for any new players wanting to join. I cannot logically continuing playing a half dead game with years behind and pay to play when i could just buy any mmo and in a few months be part of the rest of the guys talking and playing. No hard feeling i love this MMO but i would have to buy an account or character to even talk and play with the group on here and no reason since this place seems dead at least anywhere i can go and play ingame.Feel Free to contact me no hard feelings or
Karl Hobb Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium 1183	Posted - 2013.02.20 05:56:00 - [2] - Quote 0/10 If you're not already part of a bloc, this is the best guy for CSM8.
baltec1 Bat Country 5320	Posted - 2013.02.20 05:59:00 - [3] - Quote Good god use paragraphs.
Degren Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1973	Posted - 2013.02.20 06:15:00 - [4] - Quote I would like to address your points one at a time first there is the fact that you say you played other mmos well not all good games have to be mmos and not all mmos are good you see you compare eve to these other lesser games and then say there is no way to catch up to other veteran players but really the character bazaar exists and new people with a little panache can get some money to buy an advanced character and since roles exist that doesnt even really matter its just the perception of the player but i do agree some more lore and iterations on the new player experience would be a positive thing but i think youre going a little too far towards ccp being responsible for content when it is the players ccp just provides the tools have a good day Hello again, friends.
Tah'ris Khlador Space Ghosts. Break-A-Wish Foundation 584	Posted - 2013.02.20 06:25:00 - [5] - Quote Degren wrote: I would like to address your points one at a time first there is the fact that you say you played other mmos well not all good games have to be mmos and not all mmos are good you see you compare eve to these other lesser games and then say there is no way to catch up to other veteran players but really the character bazaar exists and new people with a little panache can get some money to buy an advanced character and since roles exist that doesnt even really matter its just the perception of the player but i do agree some more lore and iterations on the new player experience would be a positive thing but i think youre going a little too far towards ccp being responsible for content when it is the players ccp just provides the tools have a good day NO. DO NOT TAKE UP AFTER THE OP. USE GODDAMN PUNCTUATION. This thread is awful. EVE is not WoW, nor is it Star Trek or Star Wars Online. There are fairly efficient tutorials. There are actually good training corporations for players who have a harder time understanding mechanics. Heck, there are systems setup so rookies cannot even be an active target just so these players can get a better grip on the game. The problem is not that "EVE has too much content, not enough supports, and not enough ways to catch up to older players." The problem is that it takes a little more thinking and dedication than your average MMO and this apparently is a challenging concept to some people. I'm Denzel Washington.
Jonah Gravenstein Gordian Knot Holdings 5850	Posted - 2013.02.20 06:26:00 - [6] - Quote Angelica Cartalino wrote: First let me start by saying I played Eve long before it was a MMO. I like the idea what and its about the only space game out there. I have 3 boys and i can honestly say we have all played Star Trek MMO ( fail) , Start Wars MMO ( another fail) and currently 2 World of Warcraft accounts since the games creation. I have seen many MMO's and games come and go. I actually bought this game when it came out but never opened it up. Maybe its my fault but it never showed much in publicity . Since this past month of playing if you call it that ive lost my ships , there's basically no help and all the old timers have no use to explain anything. You have no current books in any stores and it appears to be one hell of a complex game, but impossible for new players to start , catch up, or really want to play. Im sure all the old players will complain and shoot their mouths off. However look at this from a new players perspective. If you buy a game in which theres really no way to get to any level of the older players( in which they are in a field their own doing way way more advanced stuff talking years in real life?) why would you want to play. New Citizens Q & A has many older players who are willing to help out anybody with questions, there's a lot of experience and knowledge being shared in there. New players can and do catch up with older players, each class of ship has a skill cap, specialise in for example frigates or cruisers and in under a year you will have as many SP invested in that class of ship as someone who has been playing for 9 years, you'll be able to use the same modules and weapons to. Quote: You have lost other servers and many players and those that do play get by without paying by killing for paid game time? To me that seems stupid. So the only players that stay playing are free players? Ive sat for literly one month skilling only to still be like nowhere near competent to play this so evolved game. Why would any new player plan on paying for years when they can't progress much? Lost other servers? Eve has always been a single server unless you count Serenity which is a requirement of the Chinese Government. The only other servers are for testing purposes and always have been to the best of my knowledge. Your lack of progress and feelings of incompetency are entirely down to you, many newbies are extremely successful in the having fun aspect of Eve. You can hop into fights on day 1, you'll die but you'll have fun doing it. Quote: Now you have a huge disadvantage to new Players. I joined a corp just the other day and i mean seriously 4 of us were new to the game a few lost everything of what little bit we did have. We are learning from people ; but still many don't want to talk to you even in your own corp. You are like a pesky fly on the wall. This game is going to go down the tubes like the others if you don't change things or give newbies a buff to skill speed or a basic set of skills to start depending on what they want and a penalty to change it? Something needs to change. SO many people I've talked to ,have said buy a character its the only way. Are you kidding me ill quit before i buy a character or have to play 3 years to get up?? Now don't get me wrong its a great game , concept and the best space MMO but just like Star trek and Star wars they lost all their players because of non content . You are the complete opposite. So much content , no help, no understanding, and so far behind that you cannot play with the main group, and years behind ( literately years behind to catch up). You simply picked the wrong corp, many corporations are all about helping the newbie find their feet and will go out of their way to make you feel wanted. Newbies used to get a boost to their skill training, it was removed and replaced by considerably better initial statistics. Content wise, tbh the Dev provided content isn't that great, the best content has and always will be produced by the players, CCP admit this and see their role as caretakers, they provide the framework, we try our best to bend and break it, and they love us for it. Help is out there, you just have to ask in the right places, see my first comment. As for buying a character? as a newbie that would be a hell of an expensive mistake, it's all well and good having a character that can fly uber pimp mobiles, but the players own skills and knowledge will keep them from exploding, as a newbie you have neither of those and you will lose pretty much everything you undock in. Quote: So im asking you DEV's please fix this or it will be the end to your great MMO for any new players wanting to join. I cannot logically continuing playing a half dead game with years behind and pay to play when i could just buy any mmo and in a few months be part of the rest of the guys talking and playing. No hard feeling i love this MMO but i would have to buy an account or character to even talk and play with the group on here and no reason since this place seems dead at least anywhere i can go and play ingame.Feel Free to contact me no hard feelings or Eve isn't about instant gratification, if you play Eve you're in it for the long haul. The game isn't half dead, it's about the only MMO that has increased it's subs year on year (except for the incarna mess) and is always growing. You can join in and be one of the guys from day one, most people don't mind that you're a newbie, in fact most will welcome newbies even if it's only as a meat shield, because you'll progress from meat shield to being a useful member of any corporation over time. You have to start at the bottom and work your way up, Eve doesn't give you a cookie and a silver spoon, it steals them from you and expects you to earn them back. Eve in a nutshell, it's you vs the universe, and everybody in it.
Jonah Gravenstein Gordian Knot Holdings 5851	Posted - 2013.02.20 06:41:00 - [7] - Quote TL;DR this is Eve, please don't insult it by treating it like World of Warcraft. dammit the wall of text meant I ran out of characters, even after some pruning. Eve in a nutshell, it's you vs the universe, and everybody in it.
Sir Substance Quantum Triplines 555	Posted - 2013.02.20 06:46:00 - [8] - Quote My god, its full of words. Ishtar Starfire: As a pure caldari pilot i feel that with the deployment of the new tier 3 battlecruisers you have given an unfair advantage to everyone except caldari pilots. an example would be like giving a fat kid a whole cake while the skinny kid has to watch and get nothing.
NightCrawler 85 Phoibe Enterprises Project Wildfire 269	Posted - 2013.02.20 07:04:00 - [9] - Quote Expanding a bit on what Jonah said. As he mentioned New Citizens Q & A has a lot of older players who are more then willing to answear questions if you have them, and a lot of infomation can be ready by just checking the stickied threads. Including how to find a corp, since this aspect of the game is a lot more..challanging then say WOW were you just said "raider looking for guild!" 10 invites (well ok maybe thats a bit over the top but you get the idea). Point is, dont use the one corp you joined as a reason to claim that EVE is on the verge of failing. Now for "books in stores" which is the other thing i wanted to mention.. If i understand this correctly your thinking the kind of books that explains the gameplay, story and so on? Im basically just guessing here because my knowledge of them stops at flipping trough one for Final Fantasy at a random store while being bored. If this is what you mean, can i ask.. why do you need it as a book? And why would you pay for it! If you take a few minutes and look around you will find so many articles and guides on how to play EVE, all for free! Many people have put hours into writing guides and articles and making videos to help younger players, or vets who are expanding into a new area. Use the information they have provided for you and instead of paying money for a book with (ohh shiny!) pictures that has nothing to do with the guide, take a moment and say thank you to them, and teach other new players what you learned. Good luck out there, and instead of obsessing about SP and having to be "the best!" in a month, have fun with the game. You will find it becomes a lot more enjoyable when you forget how other online games work, and consider this something completely new Phoibe Enterprises official recruitment thread
Peter Raptor Galactic Hawks 491	Posted - 2013.02.20 07:23:00 - [10] - Quote Youtube has so much great advice on becoming a great/filthy rich Eve player that I can't understand why people complain. Ive learn't more from youtube videos than from anywhere else, and now I pay with plex Evelopedia;-á The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á
Degren Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1977	Posted - 2013.02.20 07:36:00 - [11] - Quote Tah'ris Khlador wrote: Degren wrote: I would like to address your points one at a time first there is the fact that you say you played other mmos well not all good games have to be mmos and not all mmos are good you see you compare eve to these other lesser games and then say there is no way to catch up to other veteran players but really the character bazaar exists and new people with a little panache can get some money to buy an advanced character and since roles exist that doesnt even really matter its just the perception of the player but i do agree some more lore and iterations on the new player experience would be a positive thing but i think youre going a little too far towards ccp being responsible for content when it is the players ccp just provides the tools have a good day NO. DO NOT TAKE UP AFTER THE OP. USE GODDAMN PUNCTUATION. ALSO, I FOUND YOUR CAPITAL LETTERS AND PUT THEM IN THIS STRING OF WORDS. This thread is awful. EVE is not WoW, nor is it Star Trek or Star Wars Online. There are fairly efficient tutorials. There are actually good training corporations for players who have a harder time understanding mechanics. Heck, there are systems setup so rookies cannot even be an active target just so these players can get a better grip on the game. The problem is not that "EVE has too much content, not enough supports, and not enough ways to catch up to older players." The problem is that it takes a little more thinking and dedication than your average MMO and this apparently is a challenging concept to some people. BRO. I THINK YOU SHOULD THINK A BIT BEFORE POSTING. JUST FOR A SECOND. FOOD FOR THOUGHT, BRO. ONE LOVE. ******* tryhards in these forums, for reals. Hello again, friends.
Kestrix Industrial Renaissance MinTek Conglomerate 85	Posted - 2013.02.20 07:37:00 - [12] - Quote Perhaps these other MMO's you mention going down the tubes, went that way becasue they listened to people like you. Every single person in this game was new once and we all managed to cope. I didn't even bother doing the tutorials. You just need some grey matter.
Lexmana 938	Posted - 2013.02.20 07:46:00 - [13] - Quote WOW is dying so you come here?
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance 1988	Posted - 2013.02.20 09:18:00 - [14] - Quote Quote: Since this past month of playing if you call it that ive lost my ships.... May I ask how you managed to do this? If you lost your ships in PvE you either... - tried to do things that were way beyond your capacity to handle. - didn't do any research before you tried something - did something dumb - some combination of all of the above If you lost your ships to other players you either... - didn't research the aggression rules - didn't learn from your mistakes - went to places without adequate preparation - used the wrong ships/equipment for the wrong situation -did something dumb - some combination of all of the above Quote: there's basically no help and all the old timers have no use to explain anything Maybe you're asking the wrong people (sometimes the people who ganked you or destroyed your assets will be more helpful than someone who simply grinds to make ISK). Or your are asking the wrong way. Humor, humility, and politeness (or sometimes the opposite of this) can go a long way in making people more sympathetic to your problems. It also helps if you ask very specific questions and/or know something already and just want clarification and/or show you want to actually learn. Quote: but impossible for new players to start , catch up, or really want to play.... (snip)... theres really no way to get to any level of the older players( in which they are in a field their own doing way way more advanced stuff talking years in real life?) ...(snip)... but people can still catch up and still play with the bigger boys in the game. ..(snip)... o far behind that you cannot play with the main group, and years behind ( literately years behind to catch up) If you look more closely the skill system is actually very intelligently done. - All skills cap at level 5. No matter how many years you have played the game, you cannot exceed that limit. And lower level skills (ex. [Racial] Frigate) are very quick to train relative to more advanced skills. - Only a limited number of skills affect any one ship, module, weapon system, and specialty at any given time. Ex1: Someone you are facing has about 20 million SP, but how much of that overall SP is actually combat related. He/she could be a HUGE industrial player with limited combat skills. Ex2: A veteran player has just trained up the skill Large Hybrid Turret to level 5. That skill in no way affects the skill Small Hybrid Turret and thus the veteran will be no better or worse than before at the frigate level. - Getting a skill from level 4 to level 5 only adds on an extra 2% here, 5% there (exceptions apply). If you simply train up all the skills within a specialty to level 4, you will find yourself flying at about 80 to 90% of the effectiveness of a multi-year veteran with those same skills in that specific specialty at level 5. - Getting a skill to level 5 is supposed to be a painful train. Many players (yes, even veteran ones) opt to avoid doing it and instead train up other skills to level 4 (because it's faster). - Ships and weapons have been balanced against one another. Ex: A battleship can potentially instapop a frigate... but the frigate can fly very fast, making it difficult for the battleship's weapons to track, especially at very close range... then again, the battleship can deploy drones to deal with the frigate... and the frigate can shoot the drones down... however the battleship might have a Large Energy Neutralizer fitted to nuke the frigate's capacitor every 24 second... in which case the frigate could use a Small Nosferatu that sucks out capacitor from the battleship every 3 seconds... etc. etc. tl;dr... - the point of the skill system is to force you to learn the game's mechanics and nuances in cheaper equipment and ships... that way when you DO gain access to more expensive equipment and ships, you know HOW to use them properly. - more SP is not indicative of a pilot's ability. It just means that the pilot has more options in what he/she can do. - no one ship is superior to everything in the game. Even Titans, the largest ship in the game, has its Achilles heel; smaller ships. Quote: You have lost other servers and many players and those that do play get by without paying by killing for paid game time? There has only been one server in EVE. This is actually one of the selling points of the game; "One Universe for all to play in." The exceptions to this would be the Test Server (which operates under very strict rules and oversight and is often wiped or altered from time to time) and the Chinese Server (which only exists because Chinese law prohibits people from connecting to servers beyond its control or ability to filter). Quote: Ive sat for literly one month skilling only to still be like nowhere near competent to play this so evolved game. Just because you don't have the "best" skills, doesn't mean you can't do something. Go out and try an activity. You won't be the "best" ... but you'll still be able to make money and/or have some effect. It's better than sitting in station. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance 1988	Posted - 2013.02.20 09:18:00 - [15] - Quote Quote: I joined a corp just the other day and i mean seriously 4 of us were new to the game a few lost everything of what little bit we did have. We are learning from people ; but still many don't want to talk to you even in your own corp. You are like a pesky fly on the wall. Three things: 1. What happened? 2. Your first mistake here was joining up with a bunch of people who knew just as much as you did. Try to find a veteran whose coattails you can ride for awhile and learn from him/her. 3. You joined one of the many "bad" corps out there. Leave it and find another. There is no shame in this and you shouldn't be loyal to people who don't and won't provide help in some fashion. Quote: This game is going to go down the tubes like the others if you don't change things or give newbies a buff to skill speed or a basic set of skills to start depending on what they want and a penalty to change it? Three more things... - 10 years of rising subscriptions beg to differ on your first point. - Faster training speed? I will invoke Malcanis Law: "Anything done in the name of 'helping' younger, poorer players will invariably be to the greater benefit of older, richer players." - Basic "skill sets" used to exist... then people started complaining about having all these "excess" skills that served them no purpose for what the really wanted to do and/or "dirtying up" their "perfect" skillsheet. Quote: SO many people I've talked to ,have said buy a character its the only way. The people you talked to are idiots. Again... you don't need "advanced" skills to be competitive. EVE is more of a "process" game rather than a "get to max level and start doing stuff" game. Quote: So much content , no help, no understanding, It's almost impossible to quantify and detail "content" that is mostly generated by the players themselves. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
Buhhdust Princess Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships. 460	Posted - 2013.02.20 09:22:00 - [16] - Quote Is it bad that I saw "Brosefs. Altruism" then stopped reading?
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet 4554	Posted - 2013.02.20 09:31:00 - [17] - Quote Buhhdust Princess wrote: Is it bad that I saw "Brosefs. Altruism" then stopped reading? You did the right thing.
Jonah Gravenstein Gordian Knot Holdings 5861	Posted - 2013.02.20 09:36:00 - [18] - Quote Destination SkillQueue wrote: Buhhdust Princess wrote: Is it bad that I saw "Brosefs. Altruism" then stopped reading? You did the right thing. They really that bad? Aside from the name of course. /me adds one more to the list of corps and alliances to never get involved with. Eve in a nutshell, it's you vs the universe, and everybody in it.
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2478	Posted - 2013.02.20 09:42:00 - [19] - Quote 3 day old newbie gets 2 points on a Moros securing it's destruction, but OP says new players can't catch up. Apparently booking your flight & accomodation to Iceland BEFORE you buy the tickets for the convention which is pretty much the only reason you wanted to go there in the first place is popular.
Joran Dravius Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 105	Posted - 2013.02.20 10:03:00 - [20] - Quote Why is it that the only post I made that wasn't intended to be offensive got me a warning for trolling and this thread isn't locked yet?
Arronicus Vintas Industries Mistakes Were Made. 236	Posted - 2013.02.20 10:11:00 - [21] - Quote Let me start by saying I didn't read your post, because the grammar of the title gave me an aneurism, and I am only posting now, after some critical brain surgery. "DEV's AN outsider view of the game and desperate needed changes" I can only assume by this you MEANT to say; "CCP Developers: An outsider's view of the game, and some desperately needed changes." You're welcome.
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2480	Posted - 2013.02.20 10:23:00 - [22] - Quote Joran Dravius wrote: Why is it that the only post I made that wasn't intended to be offensive got me a warning for trolling and this thread isn't locked yet? I notice that too. I get banned for the most trivial things, while the really offensive stuff doesn't seem to get noticed. I'm pretty sure it's based on whether it's reported or not. Apparently booking your flight & accomodation to Iceland BEFORE you buy the tickets for the convention which is pretty much the only reason you wanted to go there in the first place is popular.
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2480	Posted - 2013.02.20 10:26:00 - [23] - Quote Arronicus wrote: "CCP Developers: An outsider's view of the game, and some desperately un-needed changes that I as an outsider who knows nothing about EVE at all thinks need to be changed." You're welcome. I would've gone for this. Apparently booking your flight & accomodation to Iceland BEFORE you buy the tickets for the convention which is pretty much the only reason you wanted to go there in the first place is popular.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 12932	Posted - 2013.02.20 10:31:00 - [24] - Quote Here are two things in desperate need of changes: 1. Your use of languange, specifically the employment of paragraphs and punctuation. 2. Your understanding of the mechanics and history of the game. I did not read the OP because it was unreadable, but from the other answers I have sussed out that the fundamental problem is that you don't understand how EVE works. You think it's like most other MMOs you've tried, and you're making assumption about EVE based on those other MMOs. It's a bit like assuming you know how Civ works because you've played minesweeper. Pretty much everything you said was wrong in one way or another, and the way in which you said it was wrong as well. That's quite an accomplishment. Vote Malcanis for CSM8.
Sura Sadiva Entropic Tactical Crew 293	Posted - 2013.02.20 10:55:00 - [25] - Quote Joran Dravius wrote: Why is it that the only post I made that wasn't intended to be offensive got me a warning for trolling and this thread isn't locked yet? What? Do we get warnings? Where do I see this, is somewhere on the foprum profile or they send you a message?
Sarah Schneider PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore 1876	Posted - 2013.02.20 11:34:00 - [26] - Quote For some reason I actually read your un-paragraphed post... Angelica Cartalino wrote: First let me start by saying I played Eve long before it was a MMO. I like the idea what and its about the only space game out there. I have 3 boys and i can honestly say we have all played Star Trek MMO ( fail) , Start Wars MMO ( another fail) and currently 2 World of Warcraft accounts since the games creation. I have seen many MMO's and games come and go. I actually bought this game when it came out but never opened it up. Maybe its my fault but it never showed much in publicity . Since this past month of playing if you call it that ive lost my ships , there's basically no help and all the old timers have no use to explain anything. You have no current books in any stores and it appears to be one hell of a complex game, but impossible for new players to start , catch up, or really want to play. Im sure all the old players will complain and shoot their mouths off. This is true, not all of them but in general imo, it is. Eve has one of the worst tutorials I've seen on any MMOs I've played so far, but that's also partly (or you can say even mostly) because none of the games I've played were even comparable in depth compared to Eve. This game is hands down the most complex and has the deepest gameplay I've ever seen out of any games for that matter. Quote: However look at this from a new players perspective. If you buy a game in which theres really no way to get to any level of the older players( in which they are in a field their own doing way way more advanced stuff talking years in real life?) why would you want to play. Granted the game has evolved 10 fold just like world of warcraft ; but people can still catch up and still play with the bigger boys in the game. You have lost other servers and many players and those that do play get by without paying by killing for paid game time? To me that seems stupid. So the only players that stay playing are free players? Ive sat for literly one month skilling only to still be like nowhere near competent to play this so evolved game. Why would any new player plan on paying for years when they can't progress much? I get it for the old timers ;that being said but then again this game wasn't that evolved and players were all in the same boat when Eve first started. Now you have a huge disadvantage to new Players. But this is when I start to disagree with you. I've played WoW for 3 years or so (among a dozen other MMOs), I can honestly say this. You got it wrong there, you are not meant to measure enjoyment, competence and competitiveness by the amount of skill points you have, this is actually one of the strongest point in Eve's design. In other MMOs, the longer you play, the older your character is, the harder it is for new players to beat you, in most cases, it's even strictly impossible for newer players to beat veterans. Say in WoW for instance, a level 20 warrior, no matter how good you are are in playing, there is no way possible to beat a level 80 paladin, the game doesn't allow it to happen, the devs doesn't want that to happen. In Eve, you can beat the crap out of a guy flying a 2bil isk ship with 50mil SP (that's a ~2 years old character) with a mere 3-5mil SP char in a frigate. In Eve, weeks old characters can make far far more isk than years old characters if you know what to do. You won't see that kind of stuff in a lot of other MMOs. Eve game mechanics rewards knowledge and social interaction above any other games I've played in the last 12 years. In Eve, new players weighs the same value as veterans, mainly because the players are what's important, not the characters nor their skillpoints, this short quote that I've taken shamelessly would probably describe this better : "Every rifter counts". Quote: I joined a corp just the other day and i mean seriously 4 of us were new to the game a few lost everything of what little bit we did have. We are learning from people ; but still many don't want to talk to you even in your own corp. You are like a pesky fly on the wall. Your problem is quite simple, you joined the wrong corp. Quote: This game is going to go down the tubes like the others if you don't change things or give newbies a buff to skill speed or a basic set of skills to start depending on what they want and a penalty to change it? Something needs to change. The only thing that needs changing is your perspective, Eve doesn't work like other MMOs. Quote: SO many people I've talked to ,have said buy a character its the only way. Are you kidding me ill quit before i buy a character or have to play 3 years to get up?? Those people are dumb and you shouldn't listen to them. TL;DR version : As others have stated, you completely missed the point of how Eve works. You literally can't compare Eve with other MMOs out there, try to learn what you missed, join a corp that appreciates players more than their skillpoints. In short, figure out what Eve's all about. "I'd rather have other players-áget shot by other players than not interacting with others" -CCP Soundwave
Solstice Project Brave Newbies Inc. 2773	Posted - 2013.02.20 11:38:00 - [27] - Quote The use of language reflects ones cognitive abilities. You lack punctuation, thus i can only say that you lack the ability of forming conscious thoughts. That won't make much sense for for most people, but that doesn't matter at all. Learn to use language properly and you will stop displaying low education, but you'll also start displaying that you can actually think proper, conscious thoughts. Once you've learned that, your analyzing abilities will improve A LOT and you'll also (re)gain the ability to self reflect. Thank you. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire
Natsett Amuinn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1780	Posted - 2013.02.20 11:46:00 - [28] - Quote Looked at op, read op, understood why no one wants to help him. Not every game is made for everyone, and not everyone is smart enough to play every game.
Irya Boone TIPIAKS 202	Posted - 2013.02.20 11:47:00 - [29] - Quote I' ve seen this message before it's the message written in the structure at the entrance of Langley CIA headquarter kryptos Improve C2 class WH More anos more signs ...RENAME null sec system With the name Of REAL Universe Stellar Name like KOI-730 etc etc It xill be awesome-á
Dasola Rookie Empire Citizens Rookie Empire 148	Posted - 2013.02.20 12:57:00 - [30] - Quote Holy wall of text... Theres plenty of new player friendly corporations arround. One of them just got special mention in community highlight, witch makes me think its dev alts corp and devs trying to see how bad wardeck griefing really is... Lol, almost feel like i should join brave newbies, plenty of pew pew going arround i see.. [Insert something funny or smart here] Good lord has set me on path, sometimes im confused about what he wants from me. But path leads on, towards why he placed me on this wonderfull planet...
Whitehound 881	Posted - 2013.02.20 13:01:00 - [31] - Quote I got one-shotted by a wall of text. Nerf wall of text, pls. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.
Lykouleon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 650	Posted - 2013.02.20 13:09:00 - [32] - Quote The "Enter" key is such a big key on the keyboard. It's really hard to miss. Please stop missing it. Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER SO I CAN HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD Also, your boobs :o --áCCP Eterne, 2012.11.05 14:50
Rico Minali The Straw Men Dark Therapy 1225	Posted - 2013.02.20 13:21:00 - [33] - Quote Angelica Cartalino wrote: First let me start by saying I played Eve long before it was a MMO. Oh yeah? Well I played it before computers even existed! Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
War Kitten Panda McLegion 1732	Posted - 2013.02.20 13:31:00 - [34] - Quote Rico Minali wrote: Angelica Cartalino wrote: First let me start by saying I played Eve long before it was a MMO. Oh yeah? Well I played it before computers even existed! Damn, that beats me. I didn't join until the TRS-80 version was out. I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 1393	Posted - 2013.02.20 13:49:00 - [35] - Quote I did actually read the OP, painful as it was. Who the F has internet access in 2013 and doesn't know how to format a post so it's at least readable? Anyways, I'd like to point this post out to all those "EVE WOULD GET SO MANY MORE SUBS IF" types for whom 300k+ subscriptions are not enough. This is the kind of players you'd get, people who think that "not being able to catch up" with veteran players is somehow important in EVe liike it is in other "leveling" style MMOs. Impatient people that don't like the idea that an mmo would gasp make you wait to fly "the good stuff" etc etc. You "more subs" people only see the potential good that comes from what you want ("ccp would have more money to make EVE awesomer!) but never the bad (ie general MMO gamer's SUCK and would lead to the ghetto-ization of EVE with all their begging for CCP to put them on equal footing with players who have been around longer).
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 1393	Posted - 2013.02.20 13:52:00 - [36] - Quote War Kitten wrote: Rico Minali wrote: Angelica Cartalino wrote: First let me start by saying I played Eve long before it was a MMO. Oh yeah? Well I played it before computers even existed! Damn, that beats me. I didn't join until the TRS-80 version was out. Noobs, A played EVE on an Abacus with Aristotle litterally Eons ago. You think lag is bad now, it took me 400 years to dock in Jita one time.
Covert0ne Sons Of 0din Dark Therapy 39	Posted - 2013.02.20 13:53:00 - [37] - Quote I thought his corp was called Autism. for a second there. I was disappointed when I was wrong as it would have made so much sense. http://www.dark-therapy.com Sov Holding, PvP Alliance
kodohumper Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 3	Posted - 2013.02.20 13:57:00 - [38] - Quote Although your wall of text is a bit hard to respond to. I'd suggest joining rvb as one of the options for yourself as a newbie. Be forewarned we are mostly a PVP corp so you will need to drop/join the alt corp to earn isk. And we will gladly explode your ships when you undock them. But it is a place where you can be effective even as a relatively new player and see a variation of ship v. ship PVP that's available in EVE. The other options would that you might want to look at are EVE-uni and Brave newbies inc.
Tah'ris Khlador Space Ghosts. Break-A-Wish Foundation 588	Posted - 2013.02.20 14:01:00 - [39] - Quote Degren wrote: BRO. I THINK YOU SHOULD THINK A BIT BEFORE POSTING. JUST FOR A SECOND. FOOD FOR THOUGHT, BRO. ONE LOVE. ***** tryhards in these forums, for reals. My brain wouldn't allow me to attempt to read it. It saw no punctuation and a lack of capital letters and said "No. Just no." I am slightly sad I missed the troll, but not really. I'm Denzel Washington.**
La Nariz GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 781	Posted - 2013.02.20 14:28:00 - [40] - Quote Angelica Cartalino wrote: First let me start by saying I played EVE long before it was a MMO. I like the idea what and its about the only space game out there. I have three boys and I can honestly say we have all played Star Trek MMO ( fail), Star Wars MMO ( another fail) and currently two World of Warcraft accounts since the games creation. I have seen many MMOs and games come and go. I actually bought this game when it came out but never opened it up. Maybe it is my fault but it never showed much publicity. Since this past month of playing if you call it that I've lost my ships, there's basically no help and all the old timers don't explain anything. You have no current books in any stores and it appears to be one hell of a complex game, but impossible for new players to start, catch up, or really want to play. I'm sure all the old players will complain and shoot their mouths off. However look at this from a new player's perspective. If you buy a game in which there's really no way to get to any level of the older players ( in which they are in a field their own doing way way more advanced stuff talking years in real life) why would you want to play? Granted the game has evolved 10 fold just like world of World of Warcraft; but people can still catch up and still play with the bigger boys in the game. You have lost other servers and many players and those that do play get by without paying by killing for paid game time? To me that seems stupid, so the only players that stay playing are free players? I've sat for literally one month training skills only to still be like nowhere near competent to play this so evolved game. Why would any new player plan on paying for years when they can't progress much? I get it for the old timers, that being said but then again this game wasn't that evolved and players were all in the same boat when EVE first started. Now you have a huge disadvantage to new players. I joined a corp just the other day and I mean seriously four of us were new to the game a few lost everything of what little bit we did have. We are learning from people but, still many don't want to talk to you even in your own corp. You are like a pesky fly on the wall. This game is going to go down the tubes like the others if you don't change things or give newbies a buff to skill speed or a basic set of skills to start depending on what they want and a penalty to change it. Something needs to change. So many people I've talked to, have said buy a character its the only way. Are you kidding me? I'll quit before I buy a character or have to play 3 years to get up? Now don't get me wrong its a great game concept and the best space MMO but, just like Star Trek and Star Wars they lost all their players because of non-content. You are the complete opposite, so much content, no help, no understanding, so far behind that you cannot play with the main group, and years behind ( literately years behind to catch up). So I'm asking you developers please fix this or it will be the end to your great MMO for any new players wanting to join. I cannot logically continuing playing a half dead game with years behind and pay to play when I could just buy any MMO and in a few months be part of the rest of the guys, talking and playing. No hard feelings I love this MMO but, I would have to buy an account or character to even talk and play with the group on here. There is no reason to buy a character since this place seems dead at least anywhere I can go and play in game. Feel free to contact me no hard feelings. Put the op into a more readable format. OP pretty much all of your problems could be fixed if you found a corp you like. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team.
LHA Tarawa Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 379	Posted - 2013.02.20 15:10:00 - [41] - Quote Angelica Cartalino wrote: Since this past month of playing if you call it that I've lost my ships, there's basically no help and all the old timers don't explain anything. You have no current books in any stores and it appears to be one hell of a complex game, but impossible for new players to start, catch up, or really want to play. I had to stop reading right there. I'd never played an MMO before. I downloaded the game, ran the tutorials, asked a lot of questions in rookie chat, asked questions in the new player forum here. It seemed every day I was turning down several invites from new player friendly player run corporations that were looking for new recruits. The corp recruitment boards are still full of corps looking to recruit and train new players. I read the internets, talked to people, payed attention. I had no trouble picking up the game. Heck, it is even easier now that it was when I started. Now they have ISD's, official volunteer helpers, right in the rookie chat. Now you get eve mails pointing you to all kinds of helpful info and links. Now you get pinged by a CCP employee asking you if everything is working out well for you.
Maxpie Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations 251	Posted - 2013.02.20 15:32:00 - [42] - Quote OP, as many have said, it is important to find a good player corp. I agree with you about documentation, much of the Wiki is out of date and ought to be updated, but there really is a great deal of information available if you look for it. My corp has new players and 10 year vets. Our new guys are not 'behind' because of a lack of skill points. They enjoy nearly all aspects of the game, operate in low, high, wormhole and occasionally null space. In a recent corp t1 frigate tournament, one team of new guys trounced the grizzled vets thanks to creativity and great tactics. The point is, much of this game is what you make of it. It can be difficult and frustrating at times. And yes, the learning curve can be a bit much if you are not around helpful people, but it is a hill worth climbing. No good deed goes unpunished
Kobal81 Killing is Business Tribal Band 76	Posted - 2013.02.20 15:44:00 - [43] - Quote You forgot to add "Fail" next to "Currently having two World of Warcraft accounts" also there is a lot reference material online created by players whether its PvP, PVE or indy. Reading is Fundalmentle "Greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right, greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit"
Verity Sovereign Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 396	Posted - 2013.02.20 23:21:00 - [44] - Quote Started a year and a half ago... now own every sub capital Pirate and navy issue ship, nearly every T1 subcapital ship, and a number of T2 frigates, have something like 14 plex stockpiled... I did have a bit of help - I started with a 21 day trial invite, and back then if the invitee used a plex, the inviter could still collect his reward. So I had 51 days of free game time to start. I managed to grind enough missions to plex in that time, I got a bit lucky early one when some noob that scanned down a deadspace complex was asking for help in local, ended up scooping 2 c-type items for roughly 250 million ISK, and I paid the other guy a mere 65 million for his share and he was happy. Joined a corp, corp mate gave me use of a Nightmare, got into incursions, made lots of ISK. Incursions got nerfed, I got T2 guns and involved with a better incursion community... today I made 400 million isk in 3 hours... I've given others usage of my faction battleships... There are ways to get ahead... just try mission running at first, then get a battleship, then go to TvP, run some incursions - the premier group PvE activity in EVE - its easy to plex an account running those... from there, train your skills, upgrade your fittings, get a better ship, and join a more elite community for even more ISK. Save up, train up, and buy yourself a carrier (which I'm about to do - to finally make the step up from battleships to capitals, even though carriers aren't much more expensive than Pirate battleships, and I have several pirate battleships) or a dreadnaught - now you're wielding one of the principle arms of nullsec and low sec aliances. Hopefully, by now, you've made some friends... You can get ahead, you just have to do it right, and meet the right people
Whipple Shai God is great Beer is good People are crazy 0	Posted - 2013.02.21 00:37:00 - [45] - Quote No. I started playing at the end of November and I like Eve BECAUSE it's hard. My rule #5: Improvise, adapt and overcome. Try that. If I wanted to continue playing an instant gradification game, I'd go back to WoW, or Starcraft, or Diablo 3, or LoTR, or.... get the picture? I tried a nullsec corp and found it not to my likeing. Now? I mine and run missions. I learn something new every log in. Sometimes I ask, sometimes the new knowledge finds me. Just yesterday I found that if I'm not careful before I shoot I can, and will, destroy the Retriever my other account is flying. Kind of sucked. But I learned from my mistake and wont do it again. Be safe out there, Whipple
Xpaulusx Naari LLC 198	Posted - 2013.02.21 00:45:00 - [46] - Quote Soon as i seen the dreaded " WoW comparison " I Stopped reading. Please stop insulting our game by making comparisons to a kids game....... that is all......... Dismissed. ......................................................
Bane Veradun Black Sun Dawning 1	Posted - 2013.02.21 01:01:00 - [47] - Quote I read your post......really, all I can advise is a couple of things. 1) If you are going to quit so easily, then this might not be the MMO you seek. 2) You get out of it what you put into it. If you quit, the game isn't going to beg you to stay, it will quit on you. But if you dig your teeth in, you can actually be rewarded in a myriad of ways. The choice is yours, ultimately. Might I suggest a few sites for you... This is a start For a more meta view, go here For Eve related topics, comedy, advice, etc. try here These are some of my preferred sources of Eve related lore and knowledge, maybe they'll help you. While you only co-opt the darkness for your petty purposes, I was borne of the darkness.
dark heartt I Own Four Sheep Silent Requiem 23	Posted - 2013.02.21 01:04:00 - [48] - Quote The fact is that you are approaching Eve like a themepark MMO, which never works in this sandbox environment. The truth is that a new player with 3-5 million SP can kill a player who has been playing since launch if he thinks about his attack and makes it happen. I have flown with RvB and in that the newbies kill older players regularly. You can make billions of Isk as new player by working the market if you are smart. However in the sandbox there is something you need to realise: YOU MAKE YOURSELF LEVEL. The only thing holding you back is an idea. You say that you have no way to make yourself level to older players. In what way? How can you say that when you have no idea what skills they have trained. You might be more than a match in the area you want to beat them. I've seen 3 or 4 day old characters tackling players who started in 2003/2004 thus allowing them to be killed. I've seen swarms of noob ships take out ships worth millions of isk (goonswarm back in the day for example). A mindset is all that is between you and 'being level.' In other words it's on you to make yourself equal. Also just to address some things you have said that are either misinformed or just flat out ignorant: You didn't play EVE before it was an MMO, as it was always an MMO. The other games you mentioned are nothing to do with EVE as they are themepark MMO's not sandbox ones, so experience in them really doesn't help you. There has always been only one server (so no they haven't 'lost servers'). Buying a character isn't the only way to become 'equal'. Its just a quick way to get into ships you want to fly. And finally EVE is not 'half dead'... That statement is amazingly bad. EVE has been holding its numbers nicely since the issues in the Summer of Rage and the Jita Riots were addressed, increasing even. There is more interest in the game now that ever before and it will continue to run for years to come (touch wood). It's probably already too late for you, as you seem to have made your mind up about what you want to do, but you should really take a breath and learn to adapt (I seem to be saying this a lot lately), because that will help you succeed in EVE more than SP or even ISK.
Ryuu Shi School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 18	Posted - 2013.02.21 01:06:00 - [49] - Quote Hahaha... reading this thread with all the editing makes me laugh.... i wanna join in cough but then I might get banned for 30 days so I'll just say this... HTFU and do the tutorial missions scrub!! Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread
Smohq Anmirorz State War Academy Caldari State 80	Posted - 2013.02.21 01:25:00 - [50] - Quote A large concern of yours seems to be that you can't catch up to other people. What you don't seem to realize is that at some point training new skills doesn't result in much benefits while creating an even more expensive clone to insure. Not sure you understand the 'buy a character' thing, either. This isn't WoW, you don't go buy a character from gold seller. You find one on the forums: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=277
Ckra Trald Stellar Essence STELLAR CONSTELLATION 83	Posted - 2013.02.21 01:29:00 - [51] - Quote First let me start by saying I played EVE long before it was a MMO. stopped reading there We must embrace pain and use it to fuel our POS

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