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Chris Carlito
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Posted - 2005.07.30 12:32:00 -
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I was just curious to know if this problem has a worked around. I have 6800GT Ultra and run EVE with everything on its highest settings -
Full Screen
24 bit colour with 8 bit alpha
1280x1024
32bit Z buffer with 8 bit stencil (the culprit?)
Z Buffer
100Hz
Now when I'm in an Amarr vessel or I approach an Amarr Station they have this shimmering, flickering broken textures effect which is incredibly annoying.
If i knock down the 32bit Z Buffer With 8bit stencil down to 16bit the problem disappears. however, because its only 16bit the station textures then overlap each other when looking at them from a distance, which is equally annoying. This problem has been in EVE for as long as I can remember and it is incredibly frustrating.
I was hoping someone could shed some light on a way to cure this as I have changed to an ATI card then back again as it made no diffrence, played eve on 4 diffrent machines with the same problem and am beginning to reach the end of my patients.
Thank You
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Chris Carlito
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Posted - 2005.07.30 15:05:00 -
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Simpler question -
Does anyone else suffer with this problem or in some weird mystical way is this a problem that only affects my account?
Thank you
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Tsan
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Posted - 2005.07.30 17:00:00 -
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Hi Chris. You're not alone. I have noticed it and have an ATi x800 pro, its dead annoying as has also been there for as long as I can remember. My friend also has almost ur identical setup and he notices it too. It's simply beyond our control to fix, and I guess its one of the million things on ccp's "to-fix" list |
Dsanta2345
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Posted - 2005.07.30 21:57:00 -
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 Originally by: Chris Carlito
I was just curious to know if this problem has a worked around. I have 6800GT Ultra and run EVE with everything on its highest settings -
Full Screen
24 bit colour with 8 bit alpha
1280x1024
32bit Z buffer with 8 bit stencil (the culprit?)
Z Buffer
100Hz
Now when I'm in an Amarr vessel or I approach an Amarr Station they have this shimmering, flickering broken textures effect which is incredibly annoying.
If i knock down the 32bit Z Buffer With 8bit stencil down to 16bit the problem disappears. however, because its only 16bit the station textures then overlap each other when looking at them from a distance, which is equally annoying. This problem has been in EVE for as long as I can remember and it is incredibly frustrating.
I was hoping someone could shed some light on a way to cure this as I have changed to an ATI card then back again as it made no diffrence, played eve on 4 diffrent machines with the same problem and am beginning to reach the end of my patients.
Thank You
In the follow pic i am 600m from an amarr station.
The Picture
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Velor
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Posted - 2005.07.30 23:19:00 -
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I get the same thing as you, Chris. No solution yet. :(
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Zyrla Bladestorm
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Posted - 2005.07.31 00:27:00 -
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Edited by: Zyrla Bladestorm on 31/07/2005 00:27:21
Problem is that two surfaces of the model were made too close together and the Z-buffer has trouble telling which should be in front .. thus we get "texture fighting"
(I understand the games Z-buffer is more than normally imprecise because it has to deal with such large objects and distances)
the effect has been lessened and reduced over the last two years by various patches and graphics engine changes, but it has never dissapeared and I suspect never will unless they replace the model.
EDIT : Looked at the picture .. Sorry sounded like another issue :P
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Vexy NiLakum
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Posted - 2005.07.31 07:59:00 -
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Originally by: Chris Carlito
Simpler question -
Does anyone else suffer with this problem or in some weird mystical way is this a problem that only affects my account?
Thank you
I have,
Full Screen
24 bit colour with 8 bit alpha
1024x768
32bit Z buffer with 8 bit stencil (the culprit?)
Z Buffer
75Hz
and I do not experience that kind of corruption you describe. The Amarr stations appear normal to me, but when I am close I can see two textures changing back and forth. However the textures are rendered correctly, they just switch between eachother...
Btw, I have ATI X300 128MB.
I always thought this kind of problem with textures are due to incorrectly handling of ATI drivers  I do not know >.< Maybe some day people will be able to find a solution...
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Rawk Awn
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Posted - 2005.07.31 19:41:00 -
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My nvidia card (FX5200 Ultra, latest drivers) does this too.
I thought it was so annoying that I passed over Amarrians as my first choice for race.
Admittedly, Some Minmatar structures do this too but not anything like as bad as Amarr.
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Lu Tze
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Posted - 2005.07.31 20:41:00 -
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I used to get this all the time.
However, on the release of Exodus, I found that using W buffer rather than Z buffer fixed all these problems!
Since the release of CWE though, using W buffer causes planets to be transparent to the sun and their rings (you can see the whole ring, looping behind the planet). I'm back with shimmering Amarr stations now  |
Chris Carlito
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Posted - 2005.08.01 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Rawk Awn
My nvidia card (FX5200 Ultra, latest drivers) does this too.
I thought it was so annoying that I passed over Amarrians as my first choice for race.
Admittedly, Some Minmatar structures do this too but not anything like as bad as Amarr.
I find it very annoying, to the point I not only avoided being Amarrian, but even now I avoid there ships, there stations, pretty much any area of space they own.
I'm totattly absorbed into EVE 98% of the time having an absoulute blast then all of sudden you're torn from all that back to reality when you see a ship full of broken textures or a station flickering like a dodgy screens refresh rate.
Of all the niggly little bugs that many MMORPG's have I think most of us would forgive many of them providing we had some lush graphics and a lightning FPS.
So they nerf a Missile here and there, so what I'll just use a different weapon until you unnerf it. But hey! Before you do!? can you FIX THE GRAPHICS??!!
Thank You
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Commander Stringer
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Posted - 2005.08.02 20:56:00 -
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Edited by: Commander Stringer on 02/08/2005 20:57:40
This is a known issue and has been for along time. It can be reduced with a bit of modding.
First.. navigate to your Eve\Cache folder and make a copy of prefs.ini
Second.. Add a line at the top of the prefs.ini reading advancedDevice=1 (please note the captial D IS important)
Start eve and open the escape menu
On the graphics tab you will notice that the number of options you can tweak has increased.
change the Depth/Stencil buffer to 32-bit z-buffer with 8-bit stencil
change present interval to Interval Immediate (this will increase your fps..interval immediate is equivalent to no vsync)
I've no idea what multisample rate does so leave it disabled.
Flickering on amarr stations should be decreased/gone
DOH, i see you did that but those settings sorted it for me on an FX5600, GF3 and GF4 Ti4800
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John Panek
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Posted - 2005.08.11 11:51:00 -
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Multisample rate = AA
Can anyone else confirm that this helps? I am tired of flickering or seeing through planets.
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SpeedoMan
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Posted - 2005.08.11 14:07:00 -
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Messing with multisampling will not help this particular problem. It is indeed antialiasing, but this just smooths the edges of pixels so you get what looks like smooth edges and curves around things, instead of straight lines and visible square pixels.
For nVidia cards, one thing I've noticed that can make a HUGE difference on how EVE looks (but might lower FPS), is setting the texture quality/compression. Right click on desktop > Properties > Settings > advanced button > ...get into your video cards setup/control panel window. You should have a slider bar for graphics quality to choose between "Performance" and "Quality". Adjust that however... BUT there should also be a dropdown selector box for texture - Highest, Higher, Medium, Lower, Lowest.... or something similar. Leave that as high as you can stomach. If you put it too low, you end up with every image, icon, button, and even text in EVE being so mangled & fuzzy you can't see a thing.
I really only notice Amarr ship/station problems while on my laptop, with an Intel Extreme 2 graphics adapter (integrated & shared mem)... which is pretty sucky I'm sure. My desktop with a GF4 Ti4400 128mb DDR runs EVE a bit faster (same CPU speed) and higher quality, and never has any Amarr texture problems. The laptop problems are usually not a white texture-mangled sprite, but the Z/W buffer problems are there, and most of the station textures are replaced by just flat "material" colors, without specularity and such.
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John Panek
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Posted - 2005.08.11 14:18:00 -
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Oh, I meant if someone can confirm that selecting the 32 buffer with 8 bit helps the flickering. I know that AA has no effect on this :)
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Firebreak
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Posted - 2005.08.11 16:33:00 -
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Edited by: Firebreak on 11/08/2005 16:33:21
Edited by: Firebreak on 11/08/2005 16:33:09
This happens to me as well. I looked at that screenshot and I have not seen anything quite that severe, but it's basically the same. Only for me the glitches show on little pieces of the station and flash very quickly. I don't see it engulf the whole station like in the screenshot.
EDIT: BFG 6800OC
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John Panek
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Posted - 2005.08.12 06:50:00 -
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Yes Firebreak, I have the same problems as you. It was solved by using W buffer, but then you can see through planets with rings. It depends on what you like better. See through planets or flickering stations. I chose the first one as less worse. So I have reduced flickering, but can see through planets.
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Tyto
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Posted - 2005.08.15 22:56:00 -
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Hmm, this looks similar.
I run in windowed using a GeForce 5900XT.
Can anybody please help?
Certain Amarr systems do this weird spangly thing (you'll notice I am in the PFM and in Amarr and then getting 1 frame every 10s!  ), while at other times, especially near to gates, asteroids and the like the second pic happens. The camera is so far away that all I can see is the icons in the top middle of the screen (on the screenie you can see I am in trouble with a nasty ebil rat at the time too, nice).
Any ideas anyone? Flying on instruments isn't easy.
Linkage
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Gretchen Dawntreader
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Posted - 2005.08.16 13:13:00 -
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I have a kind of wavering flickering effect on the surface of some Amarr stations that have curved surfaces, kind of a crinkling effect. In EQII, this was referred to as a LOD issue...two or more layered textures arguing with each other as to which should be on top.
Not optimal, but I can deal with it. So far I haven't seen any other objects effected this way, and I look at moons and planets more than I look at Amarr stations.
I have 6800GT and play with high settings at 1600x1200 and the graphics look great except for this. And with almost no lag!
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Dayon
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Posted - 2005.08.16 18:39:00 -
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Exactly Gretchen that is what I have been experiencing not to bad of a flicker but the curved surfaces on the lower part of the stations are blinking. I will try what the other suggest.
GF 7800 GTX 256MB
1600x1200 windowed (for some reason 1920x1200 in windowed is running extremely slow any other have this problem? )
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Daniel Jackson
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Posted - 2005.08.16 19:37:00 -
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Edited by: Daniel Jackson on 16/08/2005 19:39:26
I am using: ATi x850 XT 256mb AGP vid card
with EVE Settings:
DISPLAY MODE SETTINGS
Windowed or Fullscreen: Window Mode
Color Depth: 24-bit color with 8-bit alpha (A8R8G8B8)
Window Size: 1280x1024
Depth/Stencil Format: 32-bit z-buffer with 8-bit stencil
Depth Buffer Type: Z Buffer
DEVICE SETTINGS
MultiSample Type: Enable multisample quality
MultiSample Quality: 2
Present Interval: Interval immediate
DISPLAY SETUP
[ ] Widescreen (unchecked)
[x] Dither (checked)
[ ] Use LOD (unchecked)
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and the amarr stations textures still flicker
:P
Caldari will once again rise above the Gallente and take back Caldari Prime!
Image done by Denrace |
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Wolverine PL
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Posted - 2005.08.16 20:44:00 -
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what "Use LOD" is for?
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Lisento Slaven
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Posted - 2005.08.16 20:56:00 -
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I also have this issue.
I have found that changing the game to fullscreen then switching back to Windowed (or the other way around) cuts down a lot on the amount of "flickering." I still get some stations flickering, but sometimes they don't. When I first logon I *always* have to do what I mentioned above, because the whole game just flickers constantly. On an Nvidia 128MB 5200FX (I updated drivers as well). I have the game on near lowest settings visually.
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Daniel Jackson
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Posted - 2005.08.16 21:15:00 -
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Edited by: Daniel Jackson on 16/08/2005 21:20:48
Originally by: Wolverine PL
what "Use LOD" is for?
turn it off if u want to see objects when u are zoomed out,
when u have it on the objects and your ship dissapear when u zoom out far enoth as in your ship becomes like a white dot with LOD on.
but with LOD off, u can still see your ship, but very small and far like in real life kinda.
Caldari will once again rise above the Gallente and take back Caldari Prime!
Image done by Denrace |
Daniel Jackson
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Posted - 2005.08.16 21:16:00 -
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Edited by: Daniel Jackson on 16/08/2005 21:17:34
*Damn, doubble post due to lag on fourms*
Caldari will once again rise above the Gallente and take back Caldari Prime!
Image done by Denrace |
Sir Anntros
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Posted - 2005.08.16 21:16:00 -
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Originally by: Wolverine PL
what "Use LOD" is for?
Normally it means "Level Of Detail".
On the problem side: I have a MSI NX7800GTX, with all details on : problem persists.
I had a ATI Radeon 9800 PRO a few months ago : problem persists.
I think we wont get rid of this problem in the near future...
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Original Prankster
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Posted - 2005.08.16 21:29:00 -
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Am also getting this on the amarr shuttle.. looking at it from behind on the left wing. the flat part flickers
And most amarr stations flickers everywhere
have a 6800 pci express
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Batar Fireheart
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Posted - 2005.08.16 22:05:00 -
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hi Chris I have been playing the last 2 years and have alway gotten this effect i thought maybe it was my nvidia drivers but that wasnt it, thought it it was my settings but after many different setings changes i finally gave up fighting it.. then about 2 months ago my monitor went on the fritz so I upgraded to a larger crt monitor 19 inch @ 1600x 1220 res and the flickering has decreased quite considerably.. there is still some flickering but not as bad
19" Insignia crt monitor
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Adira Saxx
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Posted - 2006.02.13 15:50:00 -
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Same issue, with an ATI 9250. I had a long e-mail conversation with support about this about 6 months back. I tried about 50 drivers from different places and of different versions. I tried all card and eve settings. Nothings got rid of the seizure-inducing amarran flickers.
Suppport agreed that everything on my computer was correctly set up and that it should work. Eventually, nothing came out of all that testing, tweaking and e-mailing back and forth. All I basically got was a comment along the lines "our 9200-series card works fine so there's nothing we can do".
Since this is a very select problem, appearing not only on certain specific objects, but just a few select parts of these objects - I'm sure the problem could be handled. If one end of an Amarran station can look fine, there's no reason the others can't be remodelled or retextured to look equally fine - and solve the issue. It does however seem to be an extremely low priority fix - if a fix is actually planned at all. In the meantime I, like many others, avoid the Amarr race and choose not to visit the Amarran stations. Shame really.
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Sonya Rayner
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Posted - 2006.02.13 16:42:00 -
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I`ve got amarrian stations flickering too, but don`t mind it (event i thought that might be problem with "garbage" since my r9200 is heavily OCed) :) I remember seeng this with my old one, gf2mx400 though... However not everyone amarrian station flickers.
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Zant Suken
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Posted - 2006.02.19 00:50:00 -
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I have the same problem.
Running: NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200, Full-Screen (also happens in windowed mode), 1024 x 768, 32 Bit color.
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