So if we are happy with risk free activity in low sec / null sec why do people keep critizing people in high sec when they complaining about being ganked. Surely low risk fits with the ethos of game rather than no risk???

I talk of null sec spying.

Yes in Null Sec where you would expect someone to be able to have full control over their own system. There needs to be a counter, with my idea it would be a massivly expensive counter, which would take time and effort, and be a risk to the titan also. Would limit the ships use also, to being one niche.

The mechanics of eve without any local would change massivly, would be interesting to see how it turns out.

People would be using directional scan like its a click for **** button.

What you talking about lol? I just drop a super cap fleet on that pos and take it down, then kill you. how do i uncloak you and kill you?

Ok and then I can kill you right? That is a counter. There is no counter for the cloak.

You're getting off topic to what im saying, this is directed to safe spot afk cloaking and spying when needed.

People use HICS for a reason. There is a counter, there is a counter to all of what your saying, please tell me the counter for finding someone afk, in a random safe spot cloaked.

Ok your ability to try and bring up every obvious reason is baffling.

First I was answering Danikas message on the comparison to POS and afk cloak counters, i'm sorry if you felt you were a part of that.

The HIC was in response to you saying there was no counter to someone sitting save in a POS warping away from being in the POS, just showing you there was a counter.

Because it stops you performing strategic operations. The unknown gives you a massive tactical advantage, Internal spys and scouting is how it should be leaked. Much like in modern warfare, you countinue to develop counters to everything which gives others an advantage over you.

If you have not noticed eve is based on counters upon counters, it is one of the reasons it is so interesting.

So little faith in POS bashing :)

Just lol, your thought of its as impossible to take down a POS as it is to find a cloaked frig in billions M^3 space.

But ofc you will know so much better than me that there is no counter to POS', just as random SP cloaked frigs.

Oh cool I missed that, what exactly is the counter for cloaking?? I didnt realise there was actually a counter to a random person sitting in middle of space cloaked for 23.5 hours per day for weeks at a time. I understand you might be able to catch someone on way into system but once they are in and cloaked to my knowledge there is nothing you can do about it although i would be really grateful uf you could share what it is i missed.

Someone being able to log in with absolutely no risk from downtime to downtime for me is an issue. Even if you had to do something to maintain cloak every 4 hours or even 6 hours that wouldnt affect ability to provide intelligence or what ever other arguement people have for people being able to cloak for 23.5 hours per day. The issue is most of time it isnt about intelligence or anything else its purely a way of providing grief. Im all for people being able to provide grief and play game any way they choose I just think that everytime you undock there has to be a degree of risk. Using arguement that being docked is risk free doesnt hold - being docked is supposed to be only safe thing you can do in eve or am i missing something else??

Not avoiding issue at all. Couldnt care less if we had a local channel. To be honest I would be open to that being removed also. I spend very little time ratting I actually play game to kill people - killing people more difficult when you jump into local and they can see you. Not having a local channel would be nice at times. Not quite sure how the two issues are linked if im completely honest though - not sure we have AFK cloakies because we have a local channel.

Removing local would mean you have to be careful but anyone hunting in a system is just as likely to warp into your pvp fleet and therefore runs the same risks. AFK cloakies have no risks and still would have no risk if there was no local channel.

Come up with a solution that doesn't break other aspects of the game (such as wormholes), balances things and creates a bit more of a dynamic approach to things while preserving the fact that null space is intended to be a dangerous place to live.

Cloak detection or auto-decloaking break the wormhole aspect, so you'll need to start somewhere else.

Also Local Has NOTHING to do with the matter