Just an idea, instead of nerfing highsec or making non pvp zones, why not just reduce the amount of highsec systems?

This would force people into a tighter busier space. If highsec was limited to 24 systems how long untill the miners deplete the belts,

the Indys take all the moons and all of a sudden the little corps are forced to wardec other corps so they can get a piece of the pie? Need a moon, gotta pos bash.

Need sone rocks? Gotta get to ganking and "claiming" space.

Just an idea, instead of nerfing highsec or making non pvp zones, why not just reduce the amount of highsec systems?
This would force people into a tighter busier space. If highsec was limited to 24 systems how long untill the miners deplete the belts, the Indys take all the moons and all of a sudden the little corps are forced to wardec other corps so they can get a piece of the pie? Need a moon, gotta pos bash. Need sone rocks? Gotta get to ganking and "claiming" space. Don't want to compete with a ton of bears? Move off to low or null. Ccp could also just throw a bunch of highsec islands in here and there and that would give larger corps an option of gate camping the connectig systems to protect their highsec belts. This wouldn't break the game just forcing players to compete against each other, could also breathe new life into the wardec / merc lifestyle. Also would alow gankers endless targets in a handful of systems

How about yes,

They won't unsub because they didn't really loose anything

Not a bad idea, it would increase competition for highsec resources. Which, in theory should increase highsec aggression as people will fight over those resources but, what about untouchable NPC corps? The existence of NPC corps defeats what your idea would hope to achieve.

Not a bad idea,

How about no.



About 1 minute longer than it takes 200K high sec miner accounts to unsub the game.





Indy corps taking moons... lol.... because Indy corps so want to get hot dropped by suppers.

Indy corps DO NOT war dec each other. They do everything they can to avoid war. War is really bad for profits, recruitment, logistics, etc, etc.






They won't need rocks because they won't be playing the game anymore.

Then just make a solo wardec possible. With a war can start in a few hours, that way most ppl will want to join a corp.

Just an idea, instead of nerfing highsec or making non pvp zones, why not just reduce the amount of highsec systems?
This would force people into a tighter busier space. If highsec was limited to 24 systems how long untill...

Damn it James 315, you were right all along.

Just an idea, instead of nerfing highsec or making non pvp zones, why not just reduce the amount of highsec systems?
This would force people into a tighter busier space. If highsec was limited to 24 systems how long untill the miners deplete the belts, the Indys take all the moons and all of a sudden the little corps are forced to wardec other corps so they can get a piece of the pie? Need a moon, gotta pos bash. Need sone rocks? Gotta get to ganking and "claiming" space. Don't want to compete with a ton of bears? Move off to low or null. Ccp could also just throw a bunch of highsec islands in here and there and that would give larger corps an option of gate camping the connectig systems to protect their highsec belts. This wouldn't break the game just forcing players to compete against each other, could also breathe new life into the wardec / merc lifestyle. Also would alow gankers endless targets in a handful of systems

i'm not sure i can correctly and eloquently assess the stupidity of this idea. so i'll just say: no.

As it is highsec industry corps don't recruit pvpers, why? No targets.

Love the way it's always the non-highsec dwellers always calling for changes to highsec and complaining that it's not fair.

How many highsec dwellers do you see complaining about lowsec/0.0/WH space?

Let people play the game how they want.

As it is highsec industry corps don't recruit pvpers, why?

How about no.



About 1 minute longer than it takes 200K high sec miner accounts to unsub the game.





Indy corps taking moons... lol.... because Indy corps so want to get hot dropped by suppers.

Indy corps DO NOT war dec each other. They do everything they can to avoid war. War is really bad for profits, recruitment, logistics, etc, etc.






They won't need rocks because they won't be playing the game anymore.

Why do you hate CCP and want to bankrupt them?




Rocks will be gone, moons taken, station manufacturing slots gone, etc, etc, etc,

You can't squeeze 200K high sec industrialists, 20K of which are on at a time, into like 27 systems.

They will quit.

As it is highsec industry corps don't recruit pvpers, why? No targets.

How many higsec corps die as it is if they go through a month or more of wardecs from random griefers?

wow you always whine and threat to quit when you dont like some idea, also are you and those others that always show up the same person?

If reducing the amount of space available will promote player interaction and more dynamic gameplay, let's just have one highsec system, one lowsec system, and one nullsec system.

Rather than "less highsec" I'd prefer "dynamic highsec" but then I'm an ass.

Basically the more ratting\missioning\etc there is in one system the higher the sec status goes.
The downside to this is that the higher the sec status goes the lower the missions get.

Just an idea, instead of nerfing highsec or making non pvp zones, why not just reduce the amount of highsec systems?
This would force people into a tighter busier space. If highsec was limited to 24 systems how long untill the miners deplete the belts, the Indys take all the moons and all of a sudden the little corps are forced to wardec other corps so they can get a piece of the pie? Need a moon, gotta pos bash. Need sone rocks? Gotta get to ganking and "claiming" space. Don't want to compete with a ton of bears? Move off to low or null. Ccp could also just throw a bunch of highsec islands in here and there and that would give larger corps an option of gate camping the connectig systems to protect their highsec belts. This wouldn't break the game just forcing players to compete against each other, could also breathe new life into the wardec / merc lifestyle. Also would alow gankers endless targets in a handful of systems

because Indy corps so want to get hot dropped by suppers.

If reducing the amount of space available will promote player interaction and more dynamic gameplay, let's just have one highsec system, one lowsec system, and one nullsec system.

"in theory"...

And in practice would simply result in mass unsub.

OP, I agree, high-sec should be half the size it is now, if not smaller. The "converted" systems should be low-sec.

That's perfectly fine there will be others who do sub because of the content created.

That's perfectly fine there will be others who do sub because of the content created. I love how the first reaction from the "plexing my account AFK in highsec from my npc corp" poster always threaten to unsubscribe for even the smallest of changes.

love how the first reaction from the "plexing my account AFK in highsec from my npc corp" poster always threaten to unsubscribe for even the smallest of changes.

Explain.

What new content?

We shrink high sec to 20 systems. 200K people that currenlty play high sec unsb the game.

What new content has been created?




Why do you think CCP created high sec, CONCORD, NPC corps, etc? The answer is, to bring in a larger player base because they were teetering on bankruptcy with the tiny player base they had. So, what would happen if they remove that content? Right, CCP goes bankrupt. No more EVE.

Just an idea, instead of nerfing highsec or making non pvp zones, why not just reduce the amount of highsec systems?
This would force people into a tighter busier space. If highsec was limited to 24 systems how long untill the miners deplete the belts, the Indys take all the moons and all of a sudden the little corps are forced to wardec other corps so they can get a piece of the pie? Need a moon, gotta pos bash. Need sone rocks? Gotta get to ganking and "claiming" space. Don't want to compete with a ton of bears? Move off to low or null. Ccp could also just throw a bunch of highsec islands in here and there and that would give larger corps an option of gate camping the connectig systems to protect their highsec belts. This wouldn't break the game just forcing players to compete against each other, could also breathe new life into the wardec / merc lifestyle. Also would alow gankers endless targets in a handful of systems

Explain.

What new content?

We shrink high sec to 20 systems. 200K people that currenlty play high sec unsb the game.

What new content has been created?




Why do you think CCP created high sec, CONCORD, NPC corps, etc? The answer is, to bring in a larger player base because they were teetering on bankruptcy with the tiny player base they had. So, what would happen if they remove that content? Right, CCP goes bankrupt. No more EVE.

There needs to be a way for me to go about my business despite the best efforts of those that are doing their best to annoy me into quitting the game... otherwise, I'll just quit.

If, as it seems, more people in terms of numbers/subscriptions, spend more time in high sec than in low, perhaps CCP might spend more resources developing that part of the game.

Highsec should be smaller. It should be jampacked with the amount of highsec pilots currently flying around. Pack em in like sardines!

There is a way for you to go about your business unmolested. It's called outsmarting your enemy. Oh wait, you want CCP to do it for you or you'll quit.

You can not pack them in like sardines. They will log in, find the belts empty, manufacturing lines with long waits, moons gone so unable to put up a POS and then.... Hmmm... nothing to do, I'm going to log out.

Do that a few days in a row, they go to the CCP account management page and press unsubscribe.

This would force people ...

I don't want to have any enemies. I don't want to have to outsmart anyone. I want it to be a relaxing diversion, not work.

I want to log in, mine for a few hours, maybe kick off a few manufacturing jobs, and generally go about my business unmolested.


THIS is why CCP created highsec, why they created CONCORD, why they buffed the tank on exhumers, why they have NPC corps, etc, etc, etc.

CCP wants people like me playing this game too!!!!

There are areas of teh game for ship-to-ship PVPers. There are areas of the game for carebears.

The PVPers need to stop focusing on "fixing" a non-broken high sec. The need to stop focusing on how to mess with carebears. They need to stop worrying about how the carebears like me choose to play the game. CCP is never going to make changes that will force me, and the large number of players like me, to quit the game.

Spend your time figuring out how to better PVP against the other players that enjoy PVP.

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WE as players and subscribers ***** whine fight and moan at each other about content. The ones who do not are the same industrialist who quietly afk mines, actively mines, multibox mines, mines mines mines (also transporting etc is in there as well as traders and manufacturers) while doing nothing but what... watch netflix? Spin a ship? Update an order for 5 minutes while they reque a skill?

They aren't playing anyways.

So I ask u this question, why do you play eve?

I just see u [as] another player who wants something for nothing, you should have to work for isk. Not log in orbit ice rock and go afk for an hour come back and get money.

If u were playing before they nerf drone alloy drops u will remember trit was down around 3-4isk per unit. Now its around 5-6. If velspar was harder to get in highsec, the price will rise, a lot. Which means not everyone can afford a frieghter and a orca and 10 hulks. If u take the risk, join up with a group and get a small deadend low traffic low sec system, bang big money. But that's a risk and theres a reward for it. Hmm doesn't seem so broken

cool words and stuffs about mining

Do you know how little profit there is in AFK ice mining? Not even worth it to me. I actively mine belts, run missions, play the market, research, manufacture, and a wide variety of other activities to "work for" my isk.

THEY ARE PLAYING!!!!!!

They are playing EXACTLY how THEY enjoy playing.

Why do you care if I sit in my high sec belt, switching rocks, dragging ore to the orca, while watching something on TV?

Why does that bother you so much?


If the answer has ANYTHING to do with, I want them to be doing XYZ instead, and that XYZ is anything other than quitting and lowering CCP's revenue, then you have NO POWER to make them do XYZ.

They will play the game the way they want to play it, or they will quit. CCP doesn't want them to quit, so will ensure that these people can continue to PLAY HOWEVER THEY WANT TO!

You people need to stop worrying about what the high sec industrialists do while playing EVE, and worry a heck-a lot more about figuring out how you can better enjoy a game that doesn't involve messing with carebears for giggles and eppen.

20 something was a number off top my head, but if u enjoy all that stuff, would u enjoy it more if ur group of friends were able to work together and make more isk?
I understand ppl who don't want to pvp won't, and I'm not saying they have to, simply reducing hs systems creates a competion between players in a loss risk way, those that want to risk it all can and would profit from it. Not press button recieve bacon

I enjoy the complexity of the resource gathering, manufacturing, player driven market. I enjoy hanging out with friends, whether that just be BSing on Team Speak while across the region from each other, emptying system of roids together, or running a few mission for stress relief and profits.

I enjoy being part of a larger group working toward a common goal, like maybe acquiring a full set of BPOs, going into the capital manufacturing business, cornering a certain market in a certain region, etc.





Do you know how little profit there is in AFK ice mining? Not even worth it to me. I actively mine belts, run missions, play the market, research, manufacture, and a wide variety of other activities to "work for" my isk.





I've never been against buffs to low and null. I see no reason they couldn't have rock in low produce, say, 2x the minerals of high sec, and null produce 4x as much.

The result would be that... well... the null bears would mine the heck, produce a bunch more mins, crush the price. The price of PLEX would crash along with the mineral price, so I'd still be playing the same number of hours to PLEX my accounts.


What I'm opposed to is the major nerfs to high sec that people like to call for as a way to FORCE carebears to engage in more conflict Things like removing NPC corps, making in possible to avoid CONCORD after you've ganked someone, Or even like the OP of this thread suggests, reduce the number of high sec systems to 20-something total high sec systems.

You can't force high sec carebears out of high sec in any way other than causing them to quit the game. CCP is not going to allow that.

I agree with murx, you really arnt playing at all anyway. Your just a taget every now and then for a ganker.
What does ccp gain from afk ice miners buy plex off the market evey month for their main and alt? Not a damn thing other than the 15 bucks it cost u to start the accounts. Might even solve tidi issues if u just unsubbed

They are getting the cost of the PLEX.

Player one pays for his account... $15. He then pays another $15 for a PLEX.

I buy the PLEX off him in game. He get the ISK I ground into existence (or that I got from other player who bought stuff from me with ISK they ground into existence).

If I'm buying the PLEX to fund my account, CCP gets revenue from 2 accounts... the person paying for his own account and that person buying the PLEX.


If the carebears that are buying the PLEX all quit, playing, that player has no one to sell PLEX to in exchange for isk. So, he doesn't buy PLEX, and instead has to grind his own ISK. CCP gets revenue for only one account instead of two.


It doesn't matter if I'm paying for my subscription myself, or someone else is paying for my subscription by buying a PLEX and selling it to me in game, CCP is getting paid for my accounts.

In Eve 1.0 - 0.5 are all basically the same mechanic the only differences are the available resources, the rats and the proximity to Lo-sec.

Those plexes would have been purchased by other characters, albeit at a slightly lower cost. Do you understand how the market works? Apparently not.

You are injecting $0 into the pockets of CCP, yet you crow about how CCP is going to have no money because everyone is going to quit.

Absolutely hilarious.

Moved from General Discussion.

Those plexes would have been purchased by other characters, albeit at a slightly lower cost. Do you understand how the market works? Apparently not.

You are injecting $0 into the pockets of CCP, yet you crow about how CCP is going to have no money because everyone is going to quit.

Absolutely hilarious.

Still laughing.

Ok... Market lesson 1: Some PLEX sales ONLY take place because the market prices make the investment worth it. If the average price goes down, so will the PLEX supply, thus driving it back up again to compete for the reduced supply. Fewer PLEX being bought and sold means less money for CCP, or hadn't you noticed a PLEX often costs more than a monthly sub?

Oh, and the bit about players will grind their own ISK? PRICELESS!!
At any point do you think PLEX selling players are attempting to donate to a charity here? They do this specifically because they do NOT have the play time to grind ISK. They have more demands on their lives than you can relate to, perhaps.
Between children and jobs, playing to just grind ISK can be a luxury of time they simply cannot afford.

Now, if you want to remove a convenient way for them to fund their in game activities, they also might reconsider playing a game where they need to spend most of their time grinding, rather than the precious few hours with friends online.

Your interesting post has a round-a-bout way of saying do things my way. It's called the sand box because we get to do it any way we want.
High sec is for this type of play, so don't be pushing the risk averse PvE crowd into low or null any more than they already are.

Just an idea, instead of nerfing highsec or making non pvp zones, why not just reduce the amount of highsec systems?
This would force people into a tighter busier space. If highsec was limited to 24 systems how long untill the miners deplete the belts, the Indys take all the moons and all of a sudden the little corps are forced to wardec other corps so they can get a piece of the pie? Need a moon, gotta pos bash. Need sone rocks? Gotta get to ganking and "claiming" space. Don't want to compete with a ton of bears? Move off to low or null. Ccp could also just throw a bunch of highsec islands in here and there and that would give larger corps an option of gate camping the connectig systems to protect their highsec belts. This wouldn't break the game just forcing players to compete against each other, could also breathe new life into the wardec / merc lifestyle. Also would alow gankers endless targets in a handful of systems

No, it's pretty much a terrible idea. It's basically a long winded version of "CCP, punish people that don't play my way."

Let me say this, for what fees like the millionth time:

You cannot FORCE people to actively PVP if they don't want to. You can force PVP on them (by ganking, or gatecamps, or what have you) but as the Wardec mechanic has consistently proven, people who do not WANT to PVP will find a way to avoid it, if at all possible. You will not increase conflict among these players, you will simply drive them out of the game completely if you make their style of play untenable.

This suggestion is pants-on-head.

Move CONCORD response to systems .8+, move faction police only response to .7 - .5 systems, and keep lowsec and nullsec as it is.

This will lower the amount of truely effective highsec systems and should be an acceptable compromise for everyone.

As it is highsec industry corps don't recruit pvpers, why? No targets. How many higsec corps die as it is if they go through a month or more of wardecs from random griefers?
Would allow corps to recruit hs pvpers and if they are heavy indy based I'm sure they can supply cheap ships and modules.
Something could be workd into fw as well, when same amarr is winning, certain systems in amarr space go from .4 to .5. Making dust and fw have an effect on the game and u possibly even putting an alt in fw corp to help when ur waiting for 10k runs of ammo to finish being built so u can haul it off to jita and try not to get ganked.

And again we see F&I used as a place where threads go to die.

But highsec stays the same nothing gets nerfed, u just need to compete with other players. Theres too much money in highsec as it is. This would make lowsec more viable option to players. It would require a player to be at the computer. If u watch local, run dscan and pay attention you should never loose a ship unless you **** up or are not paying attention.

nerfing High sec its not a solution... most probable result will be a mass loss of subs due to indy pilots quiting.

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Not all people plays the game the way you do, some people play the game because u can mine and manufacture things or because they ca shot npcs all day or do exploring all day or any other activity.

So as my final point is, if you really want to ask ccp anything you should ask them to improve low sec so that those players that are in high sec will be encouraged to move their favorite activity in game there.

Be that as it may, this thread needed to die.

But highsec stays the same nothing gets nerfed, u just need to compete with other players. Theres too much money in highsec as it is. This would make lowsec more viable option to players. It would require a player to be at the computer. If u watch local, run dscan and pay attention you should never loose a ship unless you **** up or are not paying attention.

If your not at the keyboard ur not playing. Plain and simple.
U wanna go make a snack or get coffee, dock. I personally have not issues with miners or carebears, what I have an issue with is ppl that afk all day everyday and make huge profits from it. You should have to work to get a plex every month, not just orbit and ice block for 24 hours. From what I'm seeing and have seen on the forums theres a lot of ppl that feel the same way. Accually being at the computer to play I don't think is a hardcore game style. Watching local and running dscan every few minutes isn't a hard thing to do when ur mining. What else you gonna do for the minutes it takes to cycle ur lazer?
If u want passive income, moon mining and pi. Both can be done easy with any risk.
And as for not listening, I didn't say remove all of highsec, I said remove some of it. You can still auto pilot in low and null btw, its not wise but feel fee to give it a try.