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Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 2485	Posted - 2013.02.20 17:03:00 - [1] - Quote SDII Rally in Villore 2-21 Sounds nice, all that talk about "freedom and justice" and all that. Gotta hand it to the Federation at least to have such aspirations. But it's a little contradictory for the Black Eagles to be involved, no? This is like having a gun pointed at your head and the person holding it tell you how protected you should feel. All empires are a scam. Maybe I'll stick around for the entertainment.
Anabella Rella Gradient Electus Matari 450	Posted - 2013.02.20 17:14:00 - [2] - Quote This will not end well. What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand.
Simon Louvaki Sengokuvaa Corporation 105	Posted - 2013.02.20 17:18:00 - [3] - Quote 'loyalty and the Gallente way' coupled with recruiters and prominent Gallente figures there to 'do their civic duty'. Anyone seen the old holovid 'It can't happen here' ? The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word. - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21
Andreus Ixiris Mixed Metaphor 2082	Posted - 2013.02.20 17:19:00 - [4] - Quote Excellent! About time the SDII got some recognition for the tireless work they've been doing in defence of the Federation and its people. Mane 614
Anslo The Scope Gallente Federation 1270	Posted - 2013.02.20 17:29:00 - [5] - Quote Just don't have an anti-Blaque concert nearby, they might raid it. -\_For the Proveldtariat_/-
Akrasjel Lanate Naquatech Conglomerate 1051	Posted - 2013.02.20 17:37:00 - [6] - Quote Will have to see what's Blaque up to, but it's better that they organize such rally.
Sakura Nihil Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle 141	Posted - 2013.02.20 23:15:00 - [7] - Quote Things never go well when people start holding speeches talking about "loyalty" and "the ___ way". Look at Heth's recent comments. It's a fast slide to fear, paranoia, and the surrender of individual freedom in the name of security.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 2485	Posted - 2013.02.21 01:14:00 - [8] - Quote My point is that a truly free federation does not need this pageantry and hoorah crap. By day's end, I have a hard time figuring out if there are any good guys in the conflict, but I suspect that the war continues to keep the populations down and capsuleers busy while special interests get rich selling ammo to all sides.
Zsaryna Adrelana The Phantom Regiment THE ROYAL NAVY 8	Posted - 2013.02.21 01:34:00 - [9] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: My point is that a truly free federation does not need this pageantry and hoorah crap. By day's end, I have a hard time figuring out if there are any good guys in the conflict, but I suspect that the war continues to keep the populations down and capsuleers busy while special interests get rich selling ammo to all sides. You're still wondering if there are good guys?
Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine 391	Posted - 2013.02.21 02:12:00 - [10] - Quote Fascinating to see the New Federation at work. I must say that I do admire the changes that they're making. I may visit, it looks like I'd feel right at home.
James Syagrius The Philalethes Society 199	Posted - 2013.02.21 03:57:00 - [11] - Quote Andreus Ixiris wrote: Excellent! About time the SDII got some recognition for the tireless work they've been doing in defence of the Federation and its people. I second Andreus's sentiment. The perpetuation of our Federal Union compels us to temper our pursuit of individual liberty with the practicality of or collective self preservation. Let us then recall, "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice." "We are what we do."
Simon Louvaki Sengokuvaa Corporation 107	Posted - 2013.02.21 04:48:00 - [12] - Quote James Syagrius wrote: Let us then recall, "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice." To which I must warn my friend, GÇ£Patriotism is nationalism, and always leads to war.GÇ¥ - and thus is the anti-thesis to peace. The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word. - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21
Anabella Rella Gradient Electus Matari 452	Posted - 2013.02.21 05:39:00 - [13] - Quote James Syagrius wrote: I second Andreus's sentiment. The perpetuation of our Federal Union compels us to temper our pursuit of individual liberty with the practicality of or collective self preservation. Let us then recall, "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice." Extremism is still extremism no matter the circumstances. What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand.
Katran Luftschreck Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps 959	Posted - 2013.02.21 07:40:00 - [14] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: This is like having a gun pointed at your head and the person holding it tell you how protected you should feel. "Now remember class, it's only tyranny when other nations do it." chuckles EvE Forum Bingo
Astera Zandraki Moira. Villore Accords 38	Posted - 2013.02.21 08:15:00 - [15] - Quote I'll be there, if only to tell Blaque what I think of his vile, racist, jingoistic, imperialist, heartless and morally bankrupt self.
Akrasjel Lanate Naquatech Conglomerate 1051	Posted - 2013.02.21 08:34:00 - [16] - Quote Zsaryna Adrelana wrote: Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: My point is that a truly free federation does not need this pageantry and hoorah crap. By day's end, I have a hard time figuring out if there are any good guys in the conflict, but I suspect that the war continues to keep the populations down and capsuleers busy while special interests get rich selling ammo to all sides. You're still wondering if there are good guys? Im sure they are such, but aren't just publicly visible. Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Fascinating to see the New Federation at work. I must say that I do admire the changes that they're making. I may visit, it looks like I'd feel right at home. It's not the Federation, only Blaque and his Black Eagles doing PR.
Lyn Farel Kitzless 419	Posted - 2013.02.21 19:27:00 - [17] - Quote Anabella Rella wrote: James Syagrius wrote: I second Andreus's sentiment. The perpetuation of our Federal Union compels us to temper our pursuit of individual liberty with the practicality of or collective self preservation. Let us then recall, "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice." Extremism is still extremism no matter the circumstances. I think that was sarcasm.
James Syagrius The Philalethes Society 201	Posted - 2013.02.22 02:11:00 - [18] - Quote Simon Louvaki wrote: James Syagrius wrote: Let us then recall, "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice." To which I must warn my friend, GÇ£Patriotism is nationalism, and always leads to war.GÇ¥ - and thus is the anti-thesis to peace. Good Simon, you know my mind better than most regarding the conflict in which our two cultures now contend. It is important however to recall that while we may seek an "honorable peace", we are not willing to accept "any peace". Peace for its own sake is insufficient. If the State must have Caldari Prime, then it must be willing to make concessions of equal measure. "We are what we do."
Andreus Ixiris Mixed Metaphor 2098	Posted - 2013.02.22 02:14:00 - [19] - Quote James Syagrius wrote: If the State must have Caldari Prime, then it must be willing to make concessions of equal measure. Black Rise would be nice. Mane 614
Simon Louvaki Sengokuvaa Corporation 121	Posted - 2013.02.22 02:29:00 - [20] - Quote James Syagrius wrote: Good Simon, you know my mind better than most regarding the conflict in which our two cultures now contend. It is important however to recall that while we may seek an "honorable peace", we are not willing to accept "any peace". Peace for its own sake is insufficient. If the State must have Caldari Prime, then it must be willing to make concessions of equal measure. I would have to agree with you my friend. Some would say a bad peace is worse than any war; I myself hold that self evident by the situation cultivated by the Treaty Iyen-Oursta and how quickly the Caldari people were drummed up into a frenzy against the Federation. I'd very much like to see President Roden, if he so desired an end to this war, breach the topic of what 'concessions of equal measure' might be. The weak of mind are quick to judge with slightest tempt; Thus fools go forth to spread false word. - The Scriptures, Book of Trials 2:13 - 2:21
Henry Montclaire 42nd Devils and Dragons Dalek Asylum 49	Posted - 2013.02.22 19:49:00 - [21] - Quote False equivalency and fear mongering is in vogue it seems. So heartening that my people have set another trend now being followed by the rest of the galaxy.
BloodBird Mixed Metaphor 55	Posted - 2013.02.22 20:41:00 - [22] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: SDII Rally in Villore 2-21 Sounds nice, all that talk about "freedom and justice" and all that. Gotta hand it to the Federation at least to have such aspirations. But it's a little contradictory for the Black Eagles to be involved, no? This is like having a gun pointed at your head and the person holding it tell you how protected you should feel. All empires are a scam. Maybe I'll stick around for the entertainment. And I assume you have great arguments to share with us for holding such views and making these claims, pilot? I especially want to hear your smashing arguments for this wonderfully empty line "All empires are a scam." that you saw fit to share with us. To be honest, freedom of speech is free and all, but if you hate it this much, the road to unregulated, null space is not hard to find. And if you like it enough to stick around and live in Villore, of all places, you might want to change your tone a little bit - the Federation don't work on a "love us unquestioningly or GTFO" stance, you can find some middle ground between blind devotion (never a good thing) and abandoning the nation all-together. Anabella Rella wrote: This will not end well. Oh, it ended quite well, actually. It was pleasantly surprising, if I may say that myself. Anslo wrote: Just don't have an anti-Blaque concert nearby, they might raid it. Pure slander. None of us know why that concert was raided, indeed I have not even heard who was playing or what the lyrics were, or of any specific people that was there. Claiming that it was raided by special forces soldiers because the message was considered bad is an empty claim, as well as the same as saying that the SDII are actively opposing freedom of expression and free speech. You don't get to make such claims with credibility without some evidence, Anslo. Do you have anything for us all that we have not seen yet, regarding this event? Zsaryna Adrelana wrote: Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: My point is that a truly free federation does not need this pageantry and hoorah crap. By day's end, I have a hard time figuring out if there are any good guys in the conflict, but I suspect that the war continues to keep the populations down and capsuleers busy while special interests get rich selling ammo to all sides. You're still wondering if there are good guys? This. Wolfhammer, this naivet+¬ does not suit you. The Federation has never been perfect, despite the hard work from our various citizens aiming for that goal. It's an endless road of constant progress. War however can shift one's priorities around. Sadly, as much as you, me or anyone else may not like the SDII or their actions, right now they are a needed entity in the Federation. If you are angry about that, direct it at the guilty party that created this situation to begin with. Speaking of the guilty party...
BloodBird Mixed Metaphor 55	Posted - 2013.02.22 20:41:00 - [23] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Fascinating to see the New Federation at work. I must say that I do admire the changes that they're making. I may visit, it looks like I'd feel right at home. Hello Provist. I hope you enjoyed the show; a symptom of the condition your people saw fit to inflict on us. I would like to remind you that this is not the "New Federation" it is in fact the same as 5 years ago, running on war-mode. The Federation thrives in peace-times. It has the ability to reach it's greatest highs so long as peace reigns. Now that we are at war, the focus lies on survival and preserving what we have so far achieved, as opposed to improving the nation overall. It is after all, hard to improve something while outside parties seek to destroy it entirely, so now the focus lies on silencing the outsider danger and guarding against it's influence. If you don't like that, or the way this war goes, you know where you may direct your complaints. Anabella Rella wrote: James Syagrius wrote: I second Andreus's sentiment. The perpetuation of our Federal Union compels us to temper our pursuit of individual liberty with the practicality of or collective self preservation. Let us then recall, "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice." Extremism is still extremism no matter the circumstances. And extremism, though tempered by careful application and focus, is at times required for survival. Your own people know this very well. It is shameful indeed, but at times that's what necessity calls for, regardless of if anyone of us like it or not. This is why I hate intra-Empire wars. Henry Montclaire wrote: False equivalency and fear mongering is in vogue it seems. So heartening that my people have set another trend now being followed by the rest of the galaxy. And lastly, as true as this is, once again one must take into account why this is even happening. I doubt even the Black Eagles like the situation we are all in, but for now we all have little choice but to suck it up and deal with it.
Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 1494	Posted - 2013.02.22 20:46:00 - [24] - Quote My lord, Bloodbird, I just realized that I have never once seen you actually refer to someone by a name or callsign. You always just assign a title based on their allegiance, thereby allowing you to disavow any semblance of humanity in your ideological opponents. It is no wonder I have never seen you argue in good faith, you've actively dehumanized everyone you disagree with!
BloodBird Mixed Metaphor 55	Posted - 2013.02.22 20:59:00 - [25] - Quote Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: My lord, Bloodbird, I just realized that I have never once seen you actually refer to someone by a name or callsign. You always just assign a title based on their allegiance, thereby allowing you to disavow any semblance of humanity in your ideological opponents. It is no wonder I have never seen you argue in good faith, you've actively dehumanized everyone you disagree with! Not entierly true, Sansha. I have a fondness for titles indeed, but I only actively dehumanize those who deserve such. Like you. People like, say, Pieter Tuulinen I merely disagree with - in this case here. Tomorrow perhaps there will be a topic I can get involved with in a more positive way than merely arguing and making counters to statements.
Tiberious Thessalonia True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators 1495	Posted - 2013.02.22 21:04:00 - [26] - Quote BloodBird wrote: Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: My lord, Bloodbird, I just realized that I have never once seen you actually refer to someone by a name or callsign. You always just assign a title based on their allegiance, thereby allowing you to disavow any semblance of humanity in your ideological opponents. It is no wonder I have never seen you argue in good faith, you've actively dehumanized everyone you disagree with! Not entierly true, Sansha. I have a fondness for titles indeed, but I only actively dehumanize those who deserve such. Like you. People like, say, Pieter Tuulinen I merely disagree with - in this case here. Tomorrow perhaps there will be a topic I can get involved with in a more positive way than merely arguing and making counters to statements. You merely disagree with him, yet you refer to him as a Provist. I am not even sure that's true. I wonder if you even know from provists.
Scherezad Lai Dai Research Spacelane Security 594	Posted - 2013.02.22 21:05:00 - [27] - Quote BloodBird wrote: Hello Provist. I hope you enjoyed the show; a symptom of the condition your people saw fit to inflict on us. I'm afraid I'm somewhat lost, sir. Our conflict is restricted to the CEPWA Zone, and we have interest only in our homeworld of the space you possess. Can you tell me how we threaten your Federation's way of life? Thank you.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 2485	Posted - 2013.02.23 11:14:00 - [28] - Quote BloodBird wrote: ...some kind of statist dribble.... My you make a lot of noise. As surely as you have the right to do so, I have the right to ignore you. I didn't bother to read it. Until someone tries to put a gun to my head, I will keep doing whatever I please. Real liberty is not needing permission and acceptance, and unlike your perception, does not require fealty.
Seriphyn Inhonores Destiny Foundation 391	Posted - 2013.02.23 13:26:00 - [29] - Quote Scherezad wrote: I'm afraid I'm somewhat lost, sir. Our conflict is restricted to the CEPWA Zone, and we have interest only in our homeworld of the space you possess. Can you tell me how we threaten your Federation's way of life? Thank you. I believe the State has interest in the entire Gallentean side of the warzone. The annexation of Placid and adjacent territories, for example. Moreover, declaring unilateral rights over all persons and property in those areas is a significant subversion of the Federation's way of life, as is those regime changes imposed. Secondly, while the threats to level Luminaire has only been inferred by Caldari authorities, it has been supported by State loyalist capsuleers. I think most are confident that if the Provist administration and Patriots had their way, the eradication of the Federation as an entity would be a desirable outcome. That is unlikely for however long CONCORD are around with their leashes, though.
BloodBird Mixed Metaphor 57	Posted - 2013.02.23 14:38:00 - [30] - Quote Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: You merely disagree with him, yet you refer to him as a Provist. I am not even sure that's true. I wonder if you even know from provists. I owe you a small thanks, Sansha - my intel was out-dated and Pilot Tuulinen is not enrolled in the State Protectorate anymore, thus he is not a Provist, unless he is officially a member of the CPD. I will have to check up on that at a later time. So thank you, Sansha. When the Empires burn down your "Nation" once more, I will have to see if we can't spare you. For last.

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