http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Incursion

move to another constellation for a few days

better yet, buy an incursion fit battleship and join one of the incursion fleets and make some isk. it's essentially group missioning / raiding.

yes it makes the belts mostly unuseable.. too bad :P ..

Incursions aren't PvP content, they're PvE content. Basically Sansha NPCs invade a constellation, plunder the planets for unwilling recruits and take on all comers in a fight. Depending on the level of control they have you'll find your ships tank is reduced and your damage output is reduced, mission rewards are also reduced.

They do all types of damage and hit hard, the only NPCs that are anywhere near as nasty live in wormholes, mining in an incursion system is not advised unless you're using a Skiff, even then you have to be careful.

TL;DR if you're in an incursion system, expect to explode in a PvE fitted ship.

That is my point Why should i have to move, not that we dont at time for more ore. And why should i be forced to play in this manner when i dont want to: if i want to raid witch i have done in other games i would have stayed playing them and spent my 60$ some were else

Thank you for your explation of an incursion, and i understand that it is other player can do what ever they want, they pay to play the same as i do but ccp pop my ships in .7 space not a npc and that is my problem

I have been out of the game for a few years and I donGÇÖt fully understand what an incursion dose to a system. I do know that I lost 3 hulks do to my ignorance and almost my Orca, do to the fact that the rats in the belts were not the normal rats I was use to. I have accepted the fact that I have to deal with greefers and other people that are looking for a fight in high sec.. I worked my concord faction to lower this problem. I have accepted that fact that if I want to build anything that I must pay a high price for low sec. ore. I have no want to pvp or have to deal with low sec. rats in my belts in high sec. I have 4 account (costing me 60$ us ) so me and my sons can play together and all we do is mine and mission. And it is bowling my mind that CCP would cater so much to pvp player or player that r to chicken ___t to move to low sec. and play that they bring low sec to high sec for them. I would love to see the # of account that are not active just because CCP dose not realize that not everyone wants this kind of game play.

I have been out of the game for a few years and I donGÇÖt fully understand what an incursion dose to a system. I do know that I lost 3 hulks do to my ignorance and almost my Orca, do to the fact that the rats in the belts were not the normal rats I was use to. I have accepted the fact that I have to deal with greefers and other people that are looking for a fight in high sec.. I worked my concord faction to lower this problem. I have accepted that fact that if I want to build anything that I must pay a high price for low sec. ore. I have no want to pvp or have to deal with low sec. rats in my belts in high sec. I have 4 account (costing me 60$ us ) so me and my sons can play together and all we do is mine and mission. And it is bowling my mind that CCP would cater so much to pvp player or player that r to chicken ___t to move to low sec. and play that they bring low sec to high sec for them. I would love to see the # of account that are not active just because CCP dose not realize that not everyone wants this kind of game play.

I will add: you logged in, heard the eerie music, saw the green background and all the warnings and wierd icons on the left. undocked your stuff and warped to belt anyways when a simple google search or asking anyone in game would have saved you.l

there is no excuse. there is no 'safe' space in EVE.

1 not everyone find the same things fun. i raid for over 8 years in other game and dont realy want to do that anymore.

2 if you dont know the meen of somthing you should ask true and i did with no respon in genal chat it was not till i picked some one out of the system that it was expland to me
3 why dose it have to spill over in to the belts forceing me to move or perticapate in something i dont want to.
4 i pay to play and if same as u and know i dont want do these style of play and till this week i did not have to and dont think it is right that ccp force this on players that dont want to for the sake of others that do

What's better than Platinum guys? im running outta precious metals to compare this too!!

Apparently Rhodium.

you know out of all the responce no has mentioned my question about how much money ccp has lost do to the fact there r alot of people out there that think like me, and have just left the game.

you know out of all the responce no has mentioned my question about how much money ccp has lost do to the fact there r alot of people out there that think like me, and have just left the game.

So in essence you want CCP to cater to your needs even if other people enjoy incursions, hisec pvp and ganking etc. I'm sorry but you are not a unique and special snowflake.

You have a choice in this matter
a: Play EvE the way CCP intended to cater to the playerbase as a WHOLE as well as their vision for the game
b: Find a different game which caters more to your needs.


You are quite arrogant if you believe that your needs/desires for gameplay supersedes others'. I personally enjoy incursions, hisec pvp, ganking as well as mining - so what makes your needs more important than mine?

you know out of all the responce no has mentioned my question about how much money ccp has lost do to the fact there r alot of people out there that think like me, and have just left the game.

OP needs to try out Progress Quest. You're guaranteed not to be interrupted by anything there.

there is an old saying that goes "You can please some of the people some of the time, some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time. But you can never please all of the people, all of the time."

CCP introduced incursions at the request of the community. If you got your head outta your keister for a moment and tried running them you might find they are a lot more fun than sitting on your hands in top belt.

Or, like I said, move out of the constellation.. Did your ******* warp drive break down or something? Can your precious mining barge not fly three jumps or something?

In short. none, well not any of those that they wanted to keep anyway. Subs have been increasing steadily for years, with the very occasional glitch. Any players that leave because they don't like it, are rapidly replaced by those that do.

And there you go missing my point again i dont combat that fun i love the market and building. i need to mine to get the ore to build and sale what i build and think that ccp could keep the incusion RAT out of the high sec belts. they have giving me away to deal with pvper and i do mission to up my faction to they dont bother me. but there is no way for me to deal with Rats out side of move or not log in witch is bs

and how may are one person with muti. acount i have 4 and looking to get 5

so what u are say is you fall under the chicken caragory of play that wont just leave it in .4 space or less u force other to play your game even if they dont want to

Sure there is a way to deal with the belt rats. Get a couple friends in a small tanked gang to kill them for you, or jump out of the constellation, or run the incursion to get rid of it faster.

They are giving you plenty of options, just not the options that *you* want.

The entitlement in this thread is mindblowing

I find it very amusing that that is the only part of my argument you address. Am I right to assume that you therefore unable to form a rational argument agains the bulk of my response?

I foray into lowsec and nullsec as well, however I was addressing hisec pvp since you mentioned it.

Perhaps we could look forward to a more coherent response from yourself actually dealing with the issue at hand rather than regurgitating arguments which other people have already made. Although I am starting to believe you are incapable of such an act.

As such I won't be wasting any more of my time in responding to this thread; as you will clearly never understand nor provide a substantial counter argument.

Highsec is not totally safe, deal with it. Sansha NPCs have been in highsec for years, they didn't magically appear with incursions. Incursions are an invasion, do you expect them to shoot you with cuddly toys and flowers?


I'm not sure if entitled or just hard of thinking, either way it's not good.

let's all just collectively wardec and suicide gank this individual until he 'gets it'

Stubbornness is no excuse to try and fail at getting ccp to nerf popular content.

Like others have said, move. You would have to move if some other corp mined the belts out of existence anyways what is the difference from that and having to move to avoid the evil Sansha incursions?

You keep claiming that you might not be the only one that feels the way you do, and I have to say that this is untrue. Because the majority of miners probably do not mind moving. Even the mining bots move sometimes. I'd love to witness a Sansha hot drop on an ice belt full of bots.

I for one see having Battleship rats in high sec belts for limited times a plus. Battleships are a better use of ammo than the usual belt rats in faction rookie ships.

You can always take over my rookie ship manufacturing business, don't have to move during an incursion to do that =).

Stubbornness is no excuse to try and fail at getting ccp to nerf popular content.

Like others have said, move. You would have to move if some other corp mined the belts out of existence anyways what is the difference from that and having to move to avoid the evil Sansha incursions?

You keep claiming that you might not be the only one that feels the way you do, and I have to say that this is untrue. Because the majority of miners probably do not mind moving. Even the mining bots move sometimes. I'd love to witness a Sansha hot drop on an ice belt full of bots.

I for one see having Battleship rats in high sec belts for limited times a plus. Battleships are a better use of ammo than the usual belt rats in faction rookie ships.

You can always take over my rookie ship manufacturing business, don't have to move during an incursion to do that =).

I have been out of the game for a few years and I donGÇÖt fully understand what an incursion dose to a system. I do know that I lost 3 hulks do to my ignorance and almost my Orca, do to the fact that the rats in the belts were not the normal rats I was use to. I have accepted the fact that I have to deal with greefers and other people that are looking for a fight in high sec.. I worked my concord faction to lower this problem. I have accepted that fact that if I want to build anything that I must pay a high price for low sec. ore. I have no want to pvp or have to deal with low sec. rats in my belts in high sec. I have 4 account (costing me 60$ us ) so me and my sons can play together and all we do is mine and mission. And it is bowling my mind that CCP would cater so much to pvp player or player that r to chicken ___t to move to low sec. and play that they bring low sec to high sec for them. I would love to see the # of account that are not active just because CCP dose not realize that not everyone wants this kind of game play.

ccount that are not active just because CCP dose not realize that not everyone wants this kind of game play.

If they moved them out of highsec, they would never get run. The risk inherant in running them in lowsec is too great when compared to the isk gained from running them.

Dear God, I do honestly hope you're trolling (i'd give good odds that's what this is), because you've damn near used every tired high sec argument for safety/entitlement I've ever seen on this forum.

not everyone wants this kind of game play.

[quote=Chandaris]They'd get run in null.

you aren't getting it mate. incursions are primarly a highsec activity, that were created to give something to people like you to do other than just mine and mission.

i give up this guy is hopeless.

Nope. He's Canadian (pronounce his name carefully).

lol why should i have to in .7 space deal with rat that belong in null sec if i want to i would move down to null sec and do it

You're half right. CCP should move incursions out of high sec, but you're wrong in blaming us. It was your fellow carebears who wanted incursions.


Too bad this isn't a single player game. You should go try SWTOR. It's trying its best to pretend to be one.


Please tell me English isn't your primary language. If it is then you shouldn't be reproducing.

Yes well, null is it's own private carebear land these days, speaking of broken things in EVE that severely need fixing.

thank you i have disabled go head and make fun nice

That is my point Why should i have to move,

They'd get run in null.

You're half right. CCP should move incursions out of high sec, but you're wrong in blaming us. It was your fellow carebears who wanted incursions.

Thank you for your explation of an incursion, and i understand that it is other player can do what ever they want, they pay to play the same as i do but ccp pop my ships in .7 space not a npc and that is my problem

They have not been run in NULL since the Escalation nerf. Not a single Incursion MOM in NULL since has died &only asingle MOM in LOW has died.

.....they pay to play the same as i do but ccp pop my ships in .7 space not a npc and that is my problem

At this point I'm just smelling a NullBear attempting a Stealth "Nerf High Sec" Thread to make all Carebears look bad.


.....yet again.

So you honestly think a nullsec guy would spend years in hisec mining corps on the off chance that he needed to post on the forums?

Apparently Rhodium.

To the Original Poster:

I understand your concerns. I feel your pain. Maybe I can help?

What solar systems and what belts do you mine in? Also, you mentioned that you play with your family and I think this is wonderful. What kinds of ships do they fly for missions? What agents do you use for missioning?

To the Original Poster:

I understand your concerns. I feel your pain. Maybe I can help?

What solar systems and what belts do you mine in? Also, you mentioned that you play with your family and I think this is wonderful. What kinds of ships do they fly for missions? What agents do you use for missioning?

So you honestly think a nullsec guy would spend years in hisec mining corps on the off chance that he needed to post on the forums?

i have a harby for mission. and my sons toon r new and do have the skill realy for combat we been max there mine ablity

OP, your topic goes from asking about a PvE feature, then mention your internet spaceships family business, to ranting about your desire to avoid PvP.

Feels like a troll.

IT'S A TRAP.

i have a harby for mission. and my sons toon r new and do have the skill realy for combat we been max there mine ablity

So in essence you want CCP to cater to your needs even if other people enjoy incursions, hisec pvp and ganking etc. I'm sorry but you are not a unique and special snowflake.

You have a choice in this matter
a: Play EvE the way CCP intended to cater to the playerbase as a WHOLE as well as their vision for the game
b: Find a different game which caters more to your needs.


You are quite arrogant if you believe that your needs/desires for gameplay supersedes others'. I personally enjoy incursions, hisec pvp, ganking as well as mining - so what makes your needs more important than mine?

This. Is. A. Trap.

There is no way somebody is honestly asking CCP to remove an entire expansion's worth of content solely because he does not want to change his mining style for three days a couple of times a year (at most), all because him having to change systems is game breaking (for him, his sons, and the thousands of multi-account carebears that have already quit and will no doubt quit again in the future?)

And then he admits to some sort of learning disability on top of it.

And does this all as part of a corp with the word "mining" (mis)spelled right in the title.

This guy is trolling for wardecs, and with how overwhelmingly constant he has been in this thread, he wants those wardecs pretty badly. I suspect he managed to mutlibox his way to 3rd or 4th place in one of the Alliance Tournaments and is having a hell of a time finding fights right now.

Well played sir, well played.

Really? Sounds pretty legit to me, if I was the OP I'd definitely contact this guy.

Ignore the mean trolls, they have no outlet for their angst. They simply do not understand your pain, and have no idea how to combat this problem. I do, and I can help. Your first step, will be to set up a proper tank on that Harby. Be sure to focus hardeners only on the rats that you have to deal with in your region. What region was it again?

Also, where does your family mine?

The game was not made for you alone. Go play something else.

Or you could just go with the other option. Go to Stain and join Nation.

If I was one of his alleged children, I'd be embarrassed. No Father's Day gift this June, for sure.

1 not everyone find the same things fun. i raid for over 8 years in other game and dont realy want to do that anymore.
2 if you dont know the meen of somthing you should ask true and i did with no respon in genal chat it was not till i picked some one out of the system that it was expland to me
3 why dose it have to spill over in to the belts forceing me to move or perticapate in something i dont want to.
4 i pay to play and if same as u and know i dont want do these style of play and till this week i did not have to and dont think it is right that ccp force this on players that dont want to for the sake of others that do

You pay to Play in a sandbox, you can't enter this game and say " This does not suit me, I want it changed"
Just unsub if you feel like combat is being forced on you...

That is my point Why should i have to move, not that we dont at time for more ore. And why should i be forced to play in this manner when i dont want to: if i want to raid witch i have done in other games i would have stayed playing them and spent my 60$ some were else

Gold

Pure, freaking unadulterated GOLD this post is.

When someone asks "hey, why all the hate for High sec and miners etc etc", i'ma just link this post and move on.

I have been out of the game for a few years and I donGÇÖt fully understand what an incursion dose to a system. I do know that I lost 3 hulks do to my ignorance and almost my Orca, do to the fact that the rats in the belts were not the normal rats I was use to. I have accepted the fact that I have to deal with greefers and other people that are looking for a fight in high sec.. I worked my concord faction to lower this problem. I have accepted that fact that if I want to build anything that I must pay a high price for low sec. ore. I have no want to pvp or have to deal with low sec. rats in my belts in high sec. I have 4 account (costing me 60$ us ) so me and my sons can play together and all we do is mine and mission. And it is bowling my mind that CCP would cater so much to pvp player or player that r to chicken ___t to move to low sec. and play that they bring low sec to high sec for them. I would love to see the # of account that are not active just because CCP dose not realize that not everyone wants this kind of game play.

Just to reiterate as the op digs his super entitled heels into the ground. I wish one of those people who made those "why all the hate for high sec" post would come here and read this stuff. This is why.

Yeah uh.. in 0.0 and lowsec the rats point you and blow up your shiny battleship just for jumping gates in incursion system. I'd day the big blue/red bar at the top is a big hint not to mine in that particular system.

Sorry you can't Play afk online in incursion belts.

They'd get run in null.

Try doing some incursions, you will find out how much ISK you will make doing it.

Otherwise just send rage mails to Sansha Kuvakei and hope something will happen.

CCP won't change incursions.

I agree with the op.

The most recent incursion in the rancer pocket interfered with my gate camping.
Killing the npcs that tried to steal our kills made my go from-10 to-9.8 and that is unacceptable.

Do you know how many people i needed to pod to get back to-10.....

Wait what were we talking about again?

ok i have play ever quest wow swort and rifts and in all these game i have had to rely on other ablity to play and and after 9 years of it i am tierd of that kind of play witch brought me back to eve and i have excepted the fact that i can never get out of pvp and i did not like playing in low sec my frist time around because i have to rely on other. so i stay in high sec and think if they can write a hole expation for those to scare to play in low sec they could take the low sec rats out of the high sec belt that interfer with game play with those who do not want combat style of game play. and the only combat i do is mission for faction so my tax rate gos down and mybe some day have my own pos

Move to another constellation which is just a few jumps away if you want to avoid incursion areas, its quite simple. In high sec incursions, gates area always clear from Sansha.

Even when people live in 0.0, Incursions can cause problems for the 0.0 people. Gates usually have Sansha on them, jump bridges are offlined.

Simply move to another constellation for a few days until the incursion is over.

Move to another constellation which is just a few jumps away if you want to avoid incursion areas, its quite simple. In high sec incursions, gates area always clear from Sansha.

Even when people live in 0.0, Incursions can cause problems for the 0.0 people. Gates usually have Sansha on them, jump bridges are offlined.

Simply move to another constellation for a few days until the incursion is over.

i under stand i could move and if ccp dose not change it i will but my point is why should i have to. why should other in the game that may not want or have to skill to be force in to it. i have also noticed that ore prices have almost double witch make me think that all the people that just want to mine have been ran out of the game.

He doesn't want to, entirely too much effort. He thinks he should be free from risk, while mining in a warzone.

as everyone has said there is no safe place in eve i just dont think ccp should be the one making it high sec low sec even for a few day over 60% of the space in the game is low sec why dose the .01% i play have to be. and i not say to get rid of the incursion i just think that rats in the belts are to much

low sec rats in high sec belts durring an incursion

Incursions don't turn highsec into lowsec, it's still highsec for all intents and purposes, engage in illegal aggression and Concord still punish you. What an incursion does is turn a constellation into a temporary war zone, in a war zone the combatants pack bigger guns that they would in a non war zone.

In essence you're asking for combatants taking part in a war to kindly not bring their armoured vehicles, troops and weapons into your neighbourhood, even though your country is at war. Try that in real life, see how far it gets you. War is not a consensual activity, one side (in this case you) generally doesn't want it, but they get it anyway.

You are wrong they are not low sec rats. They are not even null sec rates they are far stronger and more dangerous.

The whole point of an incursion is to basically shut everything else down in the constellation until it goes away or is beat.

Your mining barges are nothing compared to the multiple billions lost in the first week of incursions.

QQ more

No i am asking ccp to give me a choise if i want to pertispate in the war. and not leave mewith the choise of move not play or fight

No i am asking ccp to give me a choise if i want to pertispate in the war. and not leave mewith the choise of move not play or fight

I try to defend highsec people, but it's sometimes such a hard thing to do.

I have been out of the game for a few years and I donGÇÖt fully understand what an incursion dose to a system.

No i am asking ccp to give me a choise if i want to pertispate in the war. and not leave mewith the choise of move not play or fight

I try to defend highsec people, but it's sometimes such a hard thing to do.

I really hope this is a troll, I'd hate to think of someone teaching this blind entitlement to their kids.

Thank you for your explation of an incursion, and i understand that it is other player can do what ever they want, they pay to play the same as i do but ccp pop my ships in .7 space not a npc and that is my problem

I have been out of the game for a few years and I donGÇÖt fully understand what an incursion dose to a system. I do know that I lost 3 hulks do to my ignorance and almost my Orca, do to the fact that the rats in the belts were not the normal rats I was use to. I have accepted the fact that I have to deal with greefers and other people that are looking for a fight in high sec.. I worked my concord faction to lower this problem. I have accepted that fact that if I want to build anything that I must pay a high price for low sec. ore. I have no want to pvp or have to deal with low sec. rats in my belts in high sec. I have 4 account (costing me 60$ us ) so me and my sons can play together and all we do is mine and mission. And it is bowling my mind that CCP would cater so much to pvp player or player that r to chicken ___t to move to low sec. and play that they bring low sec to high sec for them. I would love to see the # of account that are not active just because CCP dose not realize that not everyone wants this kind of game play.

So none of you realize this obvious troll?

Seriously?

Now why would anyone want to troll like that?

Do you really need me to explain that?

It is bowling my mind why you aren't playing World of Warcraft and farming herbs.