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DarthNefarius
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Posted - 2013.02.21 21:40:00 -
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Trebor Daehdoow wrote: In the last election, over 24% of the electorate disenfrancised themselves by voting for a losing candidate.
Want to bet 100M that in this election we'll get >24% of the previous electorate numbers disenfrancising themselves by not voting for any candidate at all due to a percieved overly complicated voting system? I think this will reinforcing the perception amongst thoseliving in Hi Sec that the CSM is a NULL SEC thing ( even though theoretically it would give HI SEC candidates a better chance on being elected the depressed numbers will probably have an opposite affect. I hope CCP tracks voters on where they live )
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DarthNefarius
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Posted - 2013.02.22 02:50:00 -
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Trebor Daehdoow wrote:PalkAn4ik wrote:I was trying to look it up and having no luck. What is the Big O notation you got for that algorithm? In the worst case, you can expect that the cost is related to C(c,s) where C is the choose function: c!/(s! (c-s)!). c is the number of candidates, and s is the number of seats. c(40,14), the case for the last election, means you have to compare 23,206,929,840 different possible quorums!
Good lord Combinatorics.... So the Big O notation is in the order of O(n!) Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 |

DarthNefarius
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Posted - 2013.02.24 16:44:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:After reading Xhagen's posts, I quite understand where he stands.
CCP must accurately listen to those who put an effort and vote, that's right.
That not right: CCP better figure out away to listen to those that are not voting whom compromise near three quarters thier customer base. Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 |

DarthNefarius
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Posted - 2013.02.26 07:09:00 -
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CCP Dolan wrote: Oh jeez, I don't look at GD over the weekend and look what happens. For those of you who don't know I'm one of the three people behind the changes to this year's voting system (in addition to CCP Xhagen and CCP Veritas).
I'd like to clarify some comments about the new Single Transferable Vote (STV) system we are using, and why we chose to go with it. Many of the assumptions in this thread (including those of the OP) are relatively misguided. Rather than quoting from the thread I will just list the answers to a few common questions.
GÇóAfter looking at the results of previous elections, we found that the number of disenfranchised (wasted) votes was staggeringly high. In fact, the majority of votes cast had no effect on the results of the election, either because the candidate had too many over-votes or the candidate didn't make top 14. We found this level of disenfranchisement unacceptable, and recognized it was largely a flaw in our voting system (First Past the Post). GÇóWe also saw a potential issue in the fact that highly organized groups were able to use coordinated information gathering to ensure that their votes were more effectively placed than any unorganized voter ever could. This gave them a far lesser chance of being disenfranchised, on consequently more "effective power" per vote than an unorganized vote. GÇóSTV systems will drastically reduce the level of disenfranchisement by ensuring that voters have at least 14 options for their vote to be effectively placed. It also greatly reduces the "effective power" difference between organized and unorganized votes by having vote allocation built in as a fundamental part of the system for all voters. GÇóWe feel that STV will give us a very accurate representation of overall voter preference (keep in mind that we have no way of representing the views of those who do not vote). GÇóWe will be taking steps this year to ensure that the CSM Election is as visible as possible to all active players, in the hopes of increasing voter turnout.
Your first bullet IMHO is a complete distortion of the definition of of disenfranchised. Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 |

DarthNefarius
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Posted - 2013.02.26 19:48:00 -
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CCP Dolan wrote: 4. If you would like to propose a different system that would allow us to properly represent our playerbase without them voting I would like to hear it.
Quite the opposite: Compulsory suffrage.
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Posted - 2013.02.27 02:17:00 -
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Dersen Lowery wrote: No voting system can prevent people from disenfranchising themselves.
Except compulsory sufferage unless they don't log in during the week of the vote.
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DarthNefarius
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Posted - 2013.02.27 02:59:00 -
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CCP Dolan wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Compulsory suffrage. We've looked into this and it isn't doable for the CSM8 elections. (I personally would really like to do it for CSM9)
Too bad ( I'm surprised a requirement to agree to the EULA is possible yet this isn't ) It'd make elections much more interesting. Expect the entrenched voting blocs to howel bloody murder if it is imposed on CSM9 then with the most ridiculas arguements that only Rush Limbaugh or Jim Crow could agree with. Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 |

DarthNefarius
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Posted - 2013.02.27 08:54:00 -
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Juniorama wrote:Compulsory suffrage shouldn't mean that I have to vote for some one. Voters should be allowed to vote for no one. Then if CCP wanted, for further analysis, they could break up the non-votes into sub categories.
- I vote for no one because I don't care.
- I vote for no one because I am uninformed about the candidates.
- I vote for no one because I don't approve of any of the candidates.
etc.
I'd welcome a more such complex abstaintion on 2 levels: 1) Given more choices it'd make a fast non vote more difficult & prod people to vote for real anyways 2) That information would give us ( & Eve marketing ) more real information on majority of Eve's population's mindset for thier desires ( or lack) toward the future of the game. Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 |

DarthNefarius
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Posted - 2013.02.27 18:48:00 -
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Trebor Daehdoow wrote:I would prefer something flashing in the NeoCom, but at least this is better than your original idea, which was to give everyone a permanent suspect flag until they voted. 
I like that idea: it would guarrenty everyone in HI SEC votes while NULL/LO/WH's could just shrug it off 
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DarthNefarius
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Posted - 2013.03.04 07:48:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:
The old system, flawed as FPTP is, was moving towards a trend of blocs only putting forth a single official candidiate. This was in large part due to the fact that more than one candidate was completely unnecessary - there were no votes or anything of the sort, everything that needed to be decided (chair, who goes to Iceland) was decided before anyone took office, so "stacking the deck" was a pointless gesture. What this new system has done is introduce the CSM voting on things AND given a voting system that lends itself towards multiple candidates (or at the very least allowing nullsec to dictate who the majority of the council are), which undoes all of that. That's not really a good thing, especially when you're still trying to convince non-bloc-aligned people to actually care enough to participate.
^^ +1 What I was hoping for when I heard there was going to be an electoral change would be a way to allow regional voting so the CSM would be more diversely populated. What it sounds like we'll get is a tyrany of the minority providing CCP with wildly skewed representation of the customer base and I anticipate voter turnout percentage to plummet especiallywith non-bloc customer base.
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Posted - 2013.03.04 08:05:00 -
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Quote: - 12th GÇô 20th of March: candidacy application period - 22nd GÇô 29th of March: Pre-Election
For the pre-election the voters will be given the RL names connected with the Candidates' characters names correct? Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 |

DarthNefarius
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Posted - 2013.03.04 08:13:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:
The old system, flawed as FPTP is, was moving towards a trend of blocs only putting forth a single official candidiate. This was in large part due to the fact that more than one candidate was completely unnecessary - there were no votes or anything of the sort, everything that needed to be decided (chair, who goes to Iceland) was decided before anyone took office, so "stacking the deck" was a pointless gesture. What this new system has done is introduce the CSM voting on things AND given a voting system that lends itself towards multiple candidates (or at the very least allowing nullsec to dictate who the majority of the council are), which undoes all of that. That's not really a good thing, especially when you're still trying to convince non-bloc-aligned people to actually care enough to participate.
Snow Axe wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:+1 What I was hoping for when I heard there was going to be an electoral change would be a way to allow regional voting so the CSM would be more diversely populated. What it sounds like we'll get is a tyrany of the minority providing CCP with wildly skewed representation of the customer base and I anticipate voter turnout percentage to plummet especiallywith non-bloc customer base. What's really funny is that the "minority" you refer to (obv. you mean nullsec) was pretty firmly AGAINST any kind of change to the voting system (you can check Xhagen's voting reform thread in Jita Park if you don't believe me). If CCP was swayed by anyone (and that's a big IF), it was by people like yourself and Frying Doom crying and screaming about NULL SEC LOBBY GROUPS and other such nonsense that would lead CCP to believe that the current population was not being fairly represented. So hey, congrats, I guess?
And yet I guess CCP took what we said & gamed created a system that'll probably do the exact opposite of what we were 'screaming' for  Without compulsorary sufferage like in the country they are modelling the system over (Australia) this thing is missing a major component that would make it work.
I hope I'm wrong but this sounds like Malcanis's rule about newbies in overdrive Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 |

DarthNefarius
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Posted - 2013.03.12 10:00:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:I think I know why they changed the voting system to some crap STV designed for a compulsory voting area. .
This is the problem I see with the the new voting system it is desgned to be more fair with a compulsary voting sytem yet it is not compulsary... that is where IMHO it will fail Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 |

DarthNefarius
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Posted - 2013.03.12 18:31:00 -
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CCP Dolan wrote:Dev Blog is going out soon. All information for applying will be found there.
Thnx for the heads up... isn't politics fun  Ripard Teg-á for CSM 8 |

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Posted - 2013.03.20 22:43:00 -
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While I understand the candidates will be announced 22ndof March die the Pre-Election can we get the number of applications after midnight? I'm really curious in more then 28 applied. Also I'm curious how many filled them out wrong or falsely & got rejected too.
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