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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2013.02.21 22:17:00 -
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Ten Bulls wrote:Use cases are influenced by available infrastructure. XBox and PS where different by design, now with hardware converging the markets will have to be kept apart artificially, which will be harder. Again, not really. The hardware converged a decade ago, and the markets have GÇö if anything GÇö diverged even further in the meantime. The two are unrelated, and the use cases are far more influenced by behaviour than infrastructure.
Until people start connecting computers to their TVs and/or mice and keyboards to their consoles (thus giving up the lean-back sofa experience of the platform), and PC users ditching their high-precision/multi-button input devices for low-precision/few-button controllers that behaviour isn't converging from either direction.
Quote:So where do you think steamboxes will fit into this... steam is available on PC's, and valve will be releasing a console based on it, which people will plug to his livingroom TV and controlling it from the sofa, thats convergence right there. That's just the same games being available for different markets, and making it easier for developers to get into the console market (which still is relatively closed) and it's no different than the multi-platform released we've had for ages. It still won't mean that we'll see M/KB-heavy games being suited for mouse/keyboardless console gaming. Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |

Aren Madigan
EVE University Ivy League
85
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Posted - 2013.02.21 22:30:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:The Unreal engine is one of the most easily hacked pieces of ancient software on the web. CCP would kill D514 if they ported it to PC. Mr Epeen 
Its not much harder to hack a PS3 really. Just requires finding the instructions, and a little bit of hardware skills. |

The CandyGirl
the unified Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2013.02.21 22:33:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:Ten Bulls wrote:also the reason stated by CCP for not releasign to PC is that they want to target a different market, but wit hthe PS4 and PC hardware converging The hardware is converging, not the maket.
Where did you get that idea. They are going to still be far weaker than your average gaming pc. There is no possible way for the new consoles to compete with a pc in power and quality and still be cost effective. |

Ten Bulls
Sons of Olsagard
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Posted - 2013.02.21 22:58:00 -
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Looking at it from another point of view, will sony even be able to stop people running PS4 games on PCs ?
I guess they will have some sort of deliberately incompatible hardware check, but with virtualization these days, who knows.
The market will decide, the CEO's will have to accept it or gtfo. |

Aren Madigan
EVE University Ivy League
85
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Posted - 2013.02.21 23:02:00 -
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Ten Bulls wrote:Looking at it from another point of view, will sony even be able to stop people running PS4 games on PCs ?
I guess they will have some sort of deliberately incompatible hardware check, but with virtualization these days, who knows.
The market will decide, the CEO's will have to accept it or gtfo.
They can't even stop people from running PS2 and PS3 games on PC with the right software. Its just not easy software to find. Just usually not multiplayer accessible. |

Ohishi
Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2013.02.21 23:16:00 -
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We already covered this in the proper section https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=207900&find=unread |

Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2013.02.21 23:20:00 -
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Jame Jarl Retief wrote:I may be pessimistic, but I don't think we should be worrying whether Dust is coming to PC or not. All we should be worrying about is how much of a flop Dust is going to be, and whether the fallout from it will be bigger or smaller than Incarna's. This was a general sentiment when the game was announced, and it looks rather accurate now. I mean, the game has been in open beta for how long now? And do you see a lot of coverage on gaming sites? The game is niche in a niche, at best. Because any game that only finds a relatively small number of players is automaticallty a failure, right? Right.
The CandyGirl wrote:Crumplecorn wrote:The hardware is converging, not the maket. Where did you get that idea. From the fact that the Xbawks720 and PS4 are both running perfectly standard PC hardware. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |

Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
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Posted - 2013.02.21 23:26:00 -
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Given that CCP is claiming to have ideas to make dust grow for the next decade, it's almost impossible not to see dust on PS4. And as stated before, PS4 means technically close to PCs.
I would be very surprised that they don't enable dust on PC, but they will NEVER admit it until their contract with sony expires. G££ <= Me |

Aren Madigan
EVE University Ivy League
85
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Posted - 2013.02.21 23:32:00 -
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Altrue wrote:Given that CCP is claiming to have ideas to make dust grow for the next decade, it's almost impossible not to see dust on PS4. And as stated before, PS4 means technically close to PCs.
I would be very surprised that they don't enable dust on PC, but they will NEVER admit it until their contract with sony expires.
Exactly... I don't foresee them being silly enough to expect a game to continue to grow on an aging console. At some point it will have to transfer over to something. Whether that be the PS4 or PC or both remains to be seen, but PS3 exclusive is not a good place for a game to last a decade or longer. |

45thtiger 0109
Shadowed Command Black Core Alliance
5
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Posted - 2013.02.21 23:36:00 -
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And here is the PS 4 Specs for those tech heads. BTW Sony are using AMD Not Intel 
And Here are The Specs Ready for this one CCP :)
n+£PlayStation-«4 n+P Main Processor Single-chip custom processor CPU : x86-64 AMD GÇ£JaguarGÇ¥, 8 cores GPU : 1.84 TFLOPS, AMD next-generation RadeonGäó based graphics engine Memory GDDR5 8GB Hard Disk Drive Built-in Optical Drive (read only) BD 6xCAV DVD 8xCAV I/O Super-Speed USB (USB 3.0) pÇüAUX Communication Ethernet (10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX, 1000BASE-T) IEEE 802.11 b/g/n Bluetooth-« 2.1 (EDR) AV output HDMI Analog-AV out Digital Output (optical)
Enjoy reading this one everyone |

ACE McFACE
Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve Hopeless Addiction
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Posted - 2013.02.22 00:11:00 -
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Sig, and also seeing as the game is free anyway, CCP could just port it on to the PS4 DUST514 isn't on PC because CCP wants 2 different communities influencing each other, not people tabbing out to give themselves Orbital Strikes. (Also they don't want to cannibalise their existing playerbase) |

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2013.02.22 00:13:00 -
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Why is a post about DUST 514 on the EVE Online forums?
DUST 514 forums are over there. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |

Aren Madigan
EVE University Ivy League
85
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Posted - 2013.02.22 00:22:00 -
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ACE McFACE wrote:Sig, and also seeing as the game is free anyway, CCP could just port it on to the PS4
The funny thing is, having Dust on both accomplishes the attracting a different community thing just the same, and those who are able to have a PS3 in the same room as their computer will pretty much give themselves orbital strikes anyways, so really, your sig explanation is ultimately meaningless. |

Rain6637
Team Evil
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Posted - 2013.02.22 00:52:00 -
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Debora Tsung wrote:Hershman wrote:devs have the pc version already... Prove it.
I like the way this man with a female avatar thinks. http://themittani.com/ | http://evenews24.com/ || Vincent Athena-á||-áflycatcher waaaaat |

Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2013.02.22 01:02:00 -
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It has been said a thousand times before; DUST on the PC would be a colossal mistake.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |

ACE McFACE
Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve Hopeless Addiction
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Posted - 2013.02.22 01:22:00 -
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Aren Madigan wrote:ACE McFACE wrote:Sig, and also seeing as the game is free anyway, CCP could just port it on to the PS4 The funny thing is, having Dust on both accomplishes the attracting a different community thing just the same, and those who are able to have a PS3 in the same room as their computer will pretty much give themselves orbital strikes anyways, so really, your sig explanation is ultimately meaningless. Having DUST on PC would mean EVE players without PS3s would play it, cannibalising their own playerbase (Making my sig not completely meaningless) plus if I had my PS3 in the same room I still wouldn't just leave my ship, with its taste pod center unattended in low/null, even if it was for 1 minute. DUST514 isn't on PC because CCP wants 2 different communities influencing each other, not people tabbing out to give themselves Orbital Strikes. (Also they don't want to cannibalise their existing playerbase) |

Aren Madigan
EVE University Ivy League
86
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Posted - 2013.02.22 01:50:00 -
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ACE McFACE wrote:Aren Madigan wrote:ACE McFACE wrote:Sig, and also seeing as the game is free anyway, CCP could just port it on to the PS4 The funny thing is, having Dust on both accomplishes the attracting a different community thing just the same, and those who are able to have a PS3 in the same room as their computer will pretty much give themselves orbital strikes anyways, so really, your sig explanation is ultimately meaningless. Having DUST on PC would mean EVE players without PS3s would play it, cannibalising their own playerbase (Making my sig not completely meaningless) plus if I had my PS3 in the same room I still wouldn't just leave my ship, with its taste pod center unattended in low/null, even if it was for 1 minute.
People can't play multiple games? In fact, many EVE players are used to running multiple clients. What's the difference between that and running one more client with a different game? |

ACE McFACE
Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve Hopeless Addiction
1130
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Posted - 2013.02.22 02:53:00 -
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Aren Madigan wrote:ACE McFACE wrote:Aren Madigan wrote:ACE McFACE wrote:Sig, and also seeing as the game is free anyway, CCP could just port it on to the PS4 The funny thing is, having Dust on both accomplishes the attracting a different community thing just the same, and those who are able to have a PS3 in the same room as their computer will pretty much give themselves orbital strikes anyways, so really, your sig explanation is ultimately meaningless. Having DUST on PC would mean EVE players without PS3s would play it, cannibalising their own playerbase (Making my sig not completely meaningless) plus if I had my PS3 in the same room I still wouldn't just leave my ship, with its taste pod center unattended in low/null, even if it was for 1 minute. People can't play multiple games? In fact, many EVE players are used to running multiple clients. What's the difference between that and running one more client with a different game? Because how many people play say Battlefield 3 and a Total War game at the same time? People run multiple clients on EVE, but I bet a lot of them have 1 or 2 mininig or AFK mission running while another does something that needs their attention. And before people say "But people PvP with multiple accounts" most of them are just Falcon, booster or scouting alts which only need a little bit of attention. Eg: Need boosts? Jump your loki into the system then cloak it and go back to your other character. DUST514 isn't on PC because CCP wants 2 different communities influencing each other, not people tabbing out to give themselves Orbital Strikes. (Also they don't want to cannibalise their existing playerbase) |

Oxandrolone
Bite Me inc Bitten.
139
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Posted - 2013.02.22 03:35:00 -
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BF 2142 was a awesome game and was released in 2006
Its way way better than dust. I downloaded dust, I wont even play it for free let alone pay a dime for it.
Graphics are terrible, gameplay is clunky, not enough vehicles. Its only half-done. Ohh and ofc its being developed for the PSU's massively outdated hardware. |

Aren Madigan
EVE University Ivy League
88
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Posted - 2013.02.22 03:39:00 -
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ACE McFACE wrote:Aren Madigan wrote:ACE McFACE wrote:Aren Madigan wrote:ACE McFACE wrote:Sig, and also seeing as the game is free anyway, CCP could just port it on to the PS4 The funny thing is, having Dust on both accomplishes the attracting a different community thing just the same, and those who are able to have a PS3 in the same room as their computer will pretty much give themselves orbital strikes anyways, so really, your sig explanation is ultimately meaningless. Having DUST on PC would mean EVE players without PS3s would play it, cannibalising their own playerbase (Making my sig not completely meaningless) plus if I had my PS3 in the same room I still wouldn't just leave my ship, with its taste pod center unattended in low/null, even if it was for 1 minute. People can't play multiple games? In fact, many EVE players are used to running multiple clients. What's the difference between that and running one more client with a different game? Because how many people play say Battlefield 3 and a Total War game at the same time? People run multiple clients on EVE, but I bet a lot of them have 1 or 2 mininig or AFK mission running while another does something that needs their attention. And before people say "But people PvP with multiple accounts" most of them are just Falcon, booster or scouting alts which only need a little bit of attention. Eg: Need boosts? Jump your loki into the system then cloak it and go back to your other character.
Bombardment alts wouldn't need much attention. Heck, it could even attract people to EVE to make accounts for the sake of helping their Dustbunny friends gear up. Perhaps they want a break from missioning or something. They run their miners still, play Dust to get something with a bit more action. Besides, if people enjoy EVE, they aren't going to leave EVE for Dust, period. People play multiple different games all the time. |

The CandyGirl
the unified Negative Ten.
38
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Posted - 2013.02.22 03:54:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:From the fact that the Xbawks720 and PS4 are both running perfectly standard PC hardware.
Yeah but you can spend 600 and build a gaming pc that is equal or better. Average pc gamer spends about 1500.
They are still using out of date tech. Btw x86 is 32 bit. It is hard to find non 64 bit systems now. Tbh the new consoles are a waste of money |

dark heartt
I Own Four Sheep Silent Requiem
34
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Posted - 2013.02.22 06:02:00 -
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Posting in another stealth I want Dust on PC thread. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.22 07:02:00 -
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We can hope
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Ris Dnalor
L'Avant Garde Happy Endings
452
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Posted - 2013.02.23 08:41:00 -
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Ten Bulls wrote:I dont know if CCP have admitted it, or can see it yet, but they will end up releasing Dust514 for PC, it just makes too much sense.
The new PS4 has been announced to be based on x86 architecture, so any games that run on PS4 should be easy to port to PC, e.g. the Unreal engine it uses already runs on PC. So there really wont be an technical barriers, and there is a ready made market of EVE players without PS4 boxes that would be easy customers to gain.
The only think i can think of that will stop them is agreements signed with Sony for exclusivity, but even they would most likely have an expiry date.
EDIT: also the reason stated by CCP for not releasign to PC is that they want to target a different market, but wit hthe PS4 and PC hardware converging, other software will also, so their reason will disappear.
but ps4 won't play ps3 games...
and ps4 is just an iphone app anyway :P
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