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Ten Bulls
Sons of Olsagard
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Posted - 2013.02.21 12:24:00 -
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I dont know if CCP have admitted it, or can see it yet, but they will end up releasing Dust514 for PC, it just makes too much sense.
The new PS4 has been announced to be based on x86 architecture, so any games that run on PS4 should be easy to port to PC, e.g. the Unreal engine it uses already runs on PC. So there really wont be an technical barriers, and there is a ready made market of EVE players without PS4 boxes that would be easy customers to gain.
The only think i can think of that will stop them is agreements signed with Sony for exclusivity, but even they would most likely have an expiry date.
EDIT: also the reason stated by CCP for not releasign to PC is that they want to target a different market, but wit hthe PS4 and PC hardware converging, other software will also, so their reason will disappear. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
Casoff
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Posted - 2013.02.21 12:26:00 -
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but dust is on the ps3? we don't know if it'll be on ps4 and ccp wasn't one of the logos in the big poster of ps4 developers
also the ps2 hung around a looong time (is it still on sale?) |
Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
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Posted - 2013.02.21 12:28:00 -
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Ten Bulls wrote:I dont know if CCP have admitted it, or can see it yet, but they will end up releasing Dust514 for PC, it just makes too much sense.
The new PS4 has been announced to be based on x86 architecture, so any games that run on PS4 should be easy to port to PC, e.g. the Unreal engine it uses already runs on PC. So there really wont be an technical barriers, and there is a ready made market of EVE players without PS4 boxes that would be easy customers to gain.
The only think i can think of that will stop them is agreements signed with Sony for exclusivity, but even they would most likely have an expiry date.
EDIT: also the reason stated by CCP for not releasign to PC is that they want to target a different market, but wit hthe PS4 and PC hardware converging, other software will also, so their reason will disappear.
PS3 exclusive. :)
So long as the conctract CCP made with Sony is not somehow invalidated it'll stay on the PS3. ;)
There's nothing a million chinese guys can't do cheaper. |
Aracimia Wolfe
Brave Newbies Inc.
221
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Posted - 2013.02.21 12:32:00 -
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Give it up already, accept that us PC gamers won't be seeing DUST.
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Hershman
Creepers Corporation
Creepers Alliance
190
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Posted - 2013.02.21 12:33:00 -
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devs have the pc version already... |
Ten Bulls
Sons of Olsagard
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Posted - 2013.02.21 12:33:00 -
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never mind |
Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
56
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Posted - 2013.02.21 12:34:00 -
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Hershman wrote:devs have the pc version already...
Prove it.
There's nothing a million chinese guys can't do cheaper. |
brinelan
The Flying Dead
Dauntless.
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Posted - 2013.02.21 12:37:00 -
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It makes sense to keep it ps3 for now given the huge installed base of ps3's out there |
Hrothgar Nilsson
Black Core Federation
Black Core Alliance
268
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Posted - 2013.02.21 13:01:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:but dust is on the ps3? we don't know if it'll be on ps4 and ccp wasn't one of the logos in the big poster of ps4 developers
also the ps2 hung around a looong time (is it still on sale?)
Yup, Sony still manufactures PS2 slims.
Less expensive than a PS3 with a huge selection of $5-$10 games, I'm sure it's still fairly popular with the less affluent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzA_xesrL8 |
Arronicus
Vintas Industries
Mistakes Were Made.
253
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Posted - 2013.02.21 13:03:00 -
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Nope. Dust on PC would not be competitive with the calibre of other f2p similar style shooters in terms of scope of the world, battle size, etc, and would fail miserably on the PC. Games like Planetside 2, designed for the increased performance capabilities of the PC would just eat all the potential playerbase.
Contract isn't the only thing stopping it, luckily, ccp also has something going for them in this case called business sense.
Sorry to burst your bubble. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
12953
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Posted - 2013.02.21 13:06:00 -
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Ten Bulls wrote:I dont know if CCP have admitted it, or can see it yet, but they will end up releasing Dust514 for PC, it just makes too much sense. Not really, no. The reason they're only releasing it on consoles hasn't gone away.
Quote:EDIT: also the reason stated by CCP for not releasign to PC is that they want to target a different market, but wit hthe PS4 and PC hardware converging, other software will also, so their reason will disappear. Eh, no. By that logic, the two markets are already the same (cf. Xbox), but that's not how the markets are defined. Until you start seeing Joe Everyman connecting his PC to his livingroom TV and controlling it from the sofa with a game controller (and has a mouse and keyboard connected to his console while sitting in the sofa), the two will remain worlds apart.
It has to do with use cases, not hardware or software. The use cases are vastly different so the markets are different.
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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
322
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Posted - 2013.02.21 13:07:00 -
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Ten Bulls wrote:also the reason stated by CCP for not releasign to PC is that they want to target a different market, but wit hthe PS4 and PC hardware converging The hardware is converging, not the maket.
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Horatius Caul
Kitzless
209
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Posted - 2013.02.21 13:29:00 -
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This is a new and unique thread.
Amarrad - Amarr language project |
Bob Nesta Marley
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2013.02.21 13:34:00 -
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Ey rudeboy, 'ate ta bust ya bubbledreams ya know, but me boy tain't nothin but spinnin wheels, seen? PS3, seen? |
Chatti
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2013.02.21 13:41:00 -
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Bob Nesta Marley wrote:Ey rudeboy, 'ate ta bust ya bubbledreams ya know, but me boy tain't nothin but spinnin wheels, seen? PS3, seen?
I was just considering over how to best articulate my deliberations on this topic, but it appears this gentleman has communicated it impeccably. |
Hannott Thanos
Notorious Legion
380
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Posted - 2013.02.21 13:43:00 -
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They don't think it be like it is |
Irya Boone
TIPIAKS
205
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Posted - 2013.02.21 13:47:00 -
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AND ccP doesn't want pc players stop playing eve to play DUST
They want pc players keep on eve and console one on DUST.
they want 2 playerbase not just one who switch between games.
And don't know in which language they have to tell you that people
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Lykouleon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
652
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Posted - 2013.02.21 13:54:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:also the ps2 hung around a looong time (is it still on sale?)
The final PS2 game was released last month, no more games will be produced for the PS2.
Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER SO I CAN HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD
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Jame Jarl Retief
Murientor Tribe
Defiant Legacy
1043
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Posted - 2013.02.21 13:55:00 -
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Ten Bulls wrote:I dont know if CCP have admitted it, or can see it yet, but they will end up releasing Dust514 for PC, it just makes too much sense.
In my experience words "CCP" and "makes sense" seldom belong together. Too many of their choices and decisions go contrary to logic and all available evidence.
But in this case, I can somewhat agree with their decision to make Dust a PS exclusive. For one, it's a lot easier to deal with hackers/cheaters/aimbotters on PS than on PC, especially considering that the game is F2P. How do you stop aimbotting in a PC game that's F2P? Answer: you can't. It just isn't possible. Even something like IP ban is totally ineffective for someone using a proxy or simply having an ISP that uses dynamic IPs. As such, on PC, Dust would be a total cheater paradise, same as APB, for example. These are much lesser issues on PS3, as an average mouth-breathing consoleer wouldn't know where to start.
Besides that, on PC, Dust would be directly competing with well established and hilariously fun FPS games (such as TF2), or equally well established quality FPS games like Battlefield 3, or niche but nonetheless well established realism sim games like Operation Flashpoint/ARMA series. And honestly, from what I saw so far, the game can't hold a candle to any of those. And that's not even mentioning other F2P FPS games on PC, such as Planetside 2. In other words, just WAY too much competition that is, frankly, superior in too many ways or just considerably more well-established with a very large and strong fanbase.
I may be pessimistic, but I don't think we should be worrying whether Dust is coming to PC or not. All we should be worrying about is how much of a flop Dust is going to be, and whether the fallout from it will be bigger or smaller than Incarna's. This was a general sentiment when the game was announced, and it looks rather accurate now. I mean, the game has been in open beta for how long now? And do you see a lot of coverage on gaming sites? The game is niche in a niche, at best.
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Lallante
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2013.02.21 14:04:00 -
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Debora Tsung wrote:Ten Bulls wrote:I dont know if CCP have admitted it, or can see it yet, but they will end up releasing Dust514 for PC, it just makes too much sense.
The new PS4 has been announced to be based on x86 architecture, so any games that run on PS4 should be easy to port to PC, e.g. the Unreal engine it uses already runs on PC. So there really wont be an technical barriers, and there is a ready made market of EVE players without PS4 boxes that would be easy customers to gain.
The only think i can think of that will stop them is agreements signed with Sony for exclusivity, but even they would most likely have an expiry date.
EDIT: also the reason stated by CCP for not releasign to PC is that they want to target a different market, but wit hthe PS4 and PC hardware converging, other software will also, so their reason will disappear. PS3 exclusive. :) So long as the conctract CCP made with Sony is not somehow invalidated it'll stay on the PS3. ;)
Exclusivity contracts ALWAYS have a duration. If its more than 1 - 2 years I'll be amazed. |
Captain Ren
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.02.21 14:09:00 -
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To be fair, if Dust 514 was its own game and the developer wasn't CCP, it would be seen as just a normal generic shooter with nothing that really seperates it from the mass amounts of FPS's out there - Thats its biggest problem, it needs to be a game you'd want to play even if you've never played EvE or know anything about it.
To be honest, right now I just play Planetside 2 and pretend its somehow a planet in the EvE universe.... makes it a lot more fun, and affects my EvE Online playing equally as much as Dust would. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
12955
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Posted - 2013.02.21 14:10:00 -
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Lallante wrote:Debora Tsung wrote:PS3 exclusive. :)
So long as the conctract CCP made with Sony is not somehow invalidated it'll stay on the PS3. ;) Exclusivity contracts ALWAYS have a duration. If its more than 1 - 2 years I'll be amazed. GǪnot to mention that we have no idea exactly how GǣexclusiveGǥ that contract is. Is it exclusive only in the sense of Gǣno-one else wanted to give us the connectivity we needed, so we only ended up on one platformGǥ or in the sense of Gǣwe aren't allowed to release it anywhere else for a yearGǥ?
I have a strong feeling that it's actually more of the former that is being spun in the language of the latter.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
7738
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Posted - 2013.02.21 14:26:00 -
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Aracimia Wolfe wrote:Give it up already, accept that us PC gamers won't be seeing DUST.
I think the OP is probably correct. I would be very surprised if CCP didn't have a PC release at least partially planned out and pre-worked.
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Eli Green
The Arrow Project
509
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Posted - 2013.02.21 14:33:00 -
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I'm pretty sure they'll be porting overto PS4 for its eventually release
wumbo |
Varesk
Origin.
Black Legion.
295
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Posted - 2013.02.21 15:08:00 -
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dear ISD,
Please move this substandard thread to the right sub forum.
tia.
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Lord Ryan
Donkey Hats
789
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Posted - 2013.02.21 15:09:00 -
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Already given free dust addons for PSN+. Has the game been release yet?
Do not assume-áanything above this line-áwas typed by me.
Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient.
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highonpop
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Samurai Pizza Cats
470
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Posted - 2013.02.21 15:10:00 -
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The OP of this thread doesnt even know why DUST 514 exists..
The game's entire purpose is to expand the EVE universe to the console. Making it PC game would defeat the purpose. Hey, OP, maybe you should do more research... yea?
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Evelyn Meiyi
Meiyi Family Holdings
87
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Posted - 2013.02.21 16:22:00 -
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Ten Bulls wrote:I dont know if CCP have admitted it, or can see it yet, but they will end up releasing Dust514 for PC, it just makes too much sense.
The new PS4 has been announced to be based on x86 architecture, so any games that run on PS4 should be easy to port to PC, e.g. the Unreal engine it uses already runs on PC. So there really wont be an technical barriers, and there is a ready made market of EVE players without PS4 boxes that would be easy customers to gain.
The only think i can think of that will stop them is agreements signed with Sony for exclusivity, but even they would most likely have an expiry date.
EDIT: also the reason stated by CCP for not releasign to PC is that they want to target a different market, but wit hthe PS4 and PC hardware converging, other software will also, so their reason will disappear.
It's not the technical issues or the target market keeping DUST from the PC -- it's a matter of 'why?' EVE Online is already a functional PC product, so why launch DUST on PC as a stand-alone? Why not just integrate it into their existing product?
Besides which, the coordination of DUST and EVE players wouldn't work with both products on PC. Two players, on two separate products, on one system, trying to perform coordinated actions? It'd be such a mess... |
Ten Bulls
Sons of Olsagard
252
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Posted - 2013.02.21 22:00:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Eh, no. By that logic, the two markets are already the same (cf. Xbox), but that's not how the markets are defined. Until you start seeing Joe Everyman connecting his PC to his livingroom TV and controlling it from the sofa with a game controller (and has a mouse and keyboard connected to his console while sitting in the sofa), the two will remain worlds apart.
It has to do with use cases, not hardware or software. The use cases are vastly different so the markets are different.
Use cases are influenced by available infrastructure. XBox and PS where different by design, now with hardware converging the markets will have to be kept apart artificially, which will be harder.
So where do you think steamboxes will fit into this... steam is available on PC's, and valve will be releasing a console based on it, which people will plug to his livingroom TV and controlling it from the sofa, thats convergence right there.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
2286
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Posted - 2013.02.21 22:11:00 -
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The Unreal engine is one of the most easily hacked pieces of ancient software on the web.
CCP would kill D514 if they ported it to PC.
Mr Epeen 
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