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Ripard Teg
Selective Pressure
Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2013.02.21 15:25:00 -
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Hi all,
Serious question: if you're a suicide ganker, particularly a solo suicide ganker, how many SP does the pilot you use to do it have?
Second question: how do you fund the ships that you gank with, if it's not from ganking profits?
I'm trying to get a real, factual feel for how many SP the players that engage in this particular style of game-play have. My experience with this topic is mostly with low- and null-sec players that use alts that gank to fund PvP. But it also occurs to me that I don't know what percentage of ganking this kind of ganking represents.
Thanks very much for your feedback!
Jester's Trek: wherein I ramble about EVE Online, gaming, and from time to time... life. |
enterprisePSI
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Posted - 2013.02.21 15:43:00 -
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17 million
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Rex Aparte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2013.02.21 15:47:00 -
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In my opinion, I'm surprised you think ganking isn't pvp. Not to say it is "leet" pvp, but pvp nonetheless. It is just profitable pvp, what it is used for is irrelevant. |
Yuri Wayfare
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2013.02.21 15:47:00 -
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190,000. Does not go solo - it's a bottom-end Catalyst pilot whose ships are refunded by the New Order.
EDIT: Also, nice to see you doing some crowd sourcing for information on this controversial topic! Good man :)
"Suddenly, trash pickers! HUNDREDS of winos going through your recyclables." -Piugattuk
Be careful what you wish for. |
Diabolical Fullmoon Mysticism
New Order Logistics
CODE.
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Posted - 2013.02.21 15:51:00 -
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Ganking isn't PVP when the victim is AFK or a BOT. |
Rex Aparte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.21 15:54:00 -
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Diabolical Fullmoon Mysticism wrote:Ganking isn't PVP when the victim is AFK or a BOT.
I support your cause, but I get the feeling that OP didn't have that caveat in mind when he posted. In fact, you'd be better off supporting the case that it is still pvp. Whether or not the person is there isn't your problem, it's still a person(s character). |
Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP
The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2013.02.21 16:01:00 -
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About 4-6M SP or so...... enough to fly the default catalyst and thrasher fits.
My resists to bad posts are 78-89-83-90 ....... The metal head plate increased it by 5%.
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Wescro
Tash-Murkon Amalgamated Security
278
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Posted - 2013.02.21 16:07:00 -
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Ripard Teg wrote:Hi all,
Serious question: if you're a suicide ganker, particularly a solo suicide ganker, how many SP does the pilot you use to do it have?
My suicide ganking alt has 1.5m SP.
Quote:Second question: how do you fund the ships that you gank with, if it's not from ganking profits?
From a vast fortune of trading ISK I don't know what else to do with. Solo ganking itself is an ISK loss unless you only target the rare officer/meta fit target. If after 100+ ganks in February alone I am feeling a little strapped for cash, I have the option of requesting reimbursement for lossmail from the New Order treasury (funded by the shareholders). This effectively turns ganking from a profession, to a sport for the audience's entertainment, hoping they pay to see more.
James 315-á-áis the only pro-sandbox candidate running for CSM 8. Resist the theme-park invasion from dying MMOs like WoW! Keep the only sandbox MMO alive! Vote 315 4 CSM8!!! |
Bing Bangboom
Ded End Damage Inc.
160
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Posted - 2013.02.21 16:43:00 -
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My Knight of the New Order has 3.6 million skill points which allows me to fly both the T1 and T2 variety catalysts. I'm funded by the New Order shareholders. I scoop up any fittings left on my ship and recycle them back into my next ship.
I have used New Order seeded systems for a ready supply of catalysts and fittings as well as seeding some systems myself to allow for solo ganks.
By my calculations I am running a slight profit on the entire operation. This was my first experience with actual ganking and I found the New Order training and fleets to be fun and informative as well as very open to new players. The actual SP entry level requirement is very low for anyone interested in participating.
315 4 CSM8
Highsec is worth fighting for.
Bing Bangboom
Agent of the New Order of Highsec
Belligerent Undesirable |
Manny Moons
Mine Safety and Health Administration
7
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Posted - 2013.02.21 16:48:00 -
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Ripard Teg wrote:...if you're a suicide ganker, particularly a solo suicide ganker, how many SP does the pilot you use to do it have? ...
2.34M and rising. The other day I was in a gank fleet of Catalyst pilots with character ages from around 1 week to over 6 years. I don't know their SP, but I am sure it ranged from "very few" to "a whole lot". Catalyst dps ran from not much more than 200 to around 700.
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Psychotic Monk
The Skunkworks
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Posted - 2013.02.21 18:19:00 -
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I gank rarely, but I do it for profit, typically on shiny mission tengus. My suicide guy has 4.2m sp. He also has a rougish smile and a come-hither look in his eye.
Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Have a blog, if you care. |
Solstice Project
Brave Newbies Inc.
2787
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Posted - 2013.02.21 19:01:00 -
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I win this thread.
45+ Million SP.
I don't use or need alts.
How i make money ?
People throw it at me, because they love me. (sounds gay, but you asked)
If i ever run out of ISK (highly unlikely), i just ask for it...
Yes, i can seriously take pride in this. ^_^ |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
2320
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Posted - 2013.02.21 19:05:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:
How i make money ?
People throw it at me because they love me.
Nobody loves a hooker.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Jonah Gravenstein
Universal Corporate Repossession Inc.
5893
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Posted - 2013.02.21 19:13:00 -
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Currently have 35 million SP on the pilot I use for the occasional suicide gank, I fund his explosions via PvE and market trading on this character.
Eve in a nutshell, it's you vs the universe, and everybody in it. |
Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
1209
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Posted - 2013.02.21 20:06:00 -
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My pod ganker had 1.5mil SP around the time I was doing that and I funded them through whatever I was doing because pod-popping Thrashers are sub 2mil ISK.
I have re-purposed this alt for potential use with the New Order, started training again, and will be fully Cat rated (to my satisfaction) in roughly a week and a half at a bit more than 3mil SP. I'll fund Cats in much the same way I fund Thrashers.
I make most of money stealing from other players nowadays (in space, I'm not into corp infiltration), but I also got lucky on some market speculation and I used to grind L4s.
If you're not already part of a bloc, this is the best guy for CSM8. |
Vin King
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.02.21 20:58:00 -
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I literally started playing only within the past few weeks. My main here has around 900k SP, and my gank alt has around 400k SP. Both have ganked with the Order in fleets, but don't have enough to solo gank at this point.
Edit: Missed question 2. I've actually funded the vast majority of ships I've used for the purposes of ganking through donations by Order members who have been kind enough to give me Cats during fleet operations. I've recently started making money on my own to help fund my own activities by station trading and mining (with a permit).
315 4 CSM 8 |
Solomar Espersei
Quality Assurance
The Marmite Collective
351
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Posted - 2013.02.21 21:31:00 -
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My suicide alt has around 13 mil SP but he's in it for the ISKies rather than miner ganking with a Cat (more of a Nado/Thrasher guy). He's sort of retired at the moment since I do some FW w/ him and ground his Sec Stat back up to above -2.0 so he could get into high sec.
Quality Assurance
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Alana Charen-Teng
Gordian Knot Holdings
289
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Posted - 2013.02.21 21:46:00 -
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I had about 20 mil SP - I'm not an alt.
My resume includes: Gas Harvesting 5! |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.02.21 22:42:00 -
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When I have time to gank I do it on my main, with 80 million SP. It's a good way to keep my sec status down to a respectable level.
Now, seeing as you have time to post in a search for facts after you opened your extremely large oral orrifice and inserted the entirety your foot, perhaps you can reply to the very valid questions that are being asked in your silly campaign thread?
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Vote 315 for CSM 8 |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
8074
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Posted - 2013.02.21 22:58:00 -
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107m 
"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
loyalanon
The Conference Elite
Rainbow Dash Friends
84
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Posted - 2013.02.21 23:58:00 -
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Diabolical Fullmoon Mysticism wrote:Ganking isn't PVP when the victim is AFK or a BOT.
Please explain to me how ganking is not pvp.
Player vs player. am I not versing another player who is afk or botting but still a player none the less? |
Yuri Wayfare
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
276
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Posted - 2013.02.22 01:14:00 -
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Wescro wrote:Ripard Teg wrote: My experience with this topic is mostly with low- and null-sec players that use alts that gank to fund PvP. I have never heard of this.
Well this is exactly the reason I applaud Ripard for seeking the input of the community on a wider base. What little experience I have with low- and null-sec alts in high-sec suggests that high-sec crime income pales in comparison to what said character might make in its own space. It's the rush of goofing someone else that draws them to high-sec.
But there's a lot of people who actually live in high-sec and live off off high-sec crime. Ripard has demonstrated a painful lack of understanding of their perspective (for example. ninja salvagers have not been kicked out of high-sec by a long shot) so I'm glad he's keeping his his promise to listen to the community and, maybe, broaden his scope a little.
"Suddenly, trash pickers! HUNDREDS of winos going through your recyclables." -Piugattuk
Be careful what you wish for. |
Elyham
Gordon Gekko Trading Academy
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Posted - 2013.02.22 03:19:00 -
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Ripard Teg wrote:Hi all,
Serious question: if you're a suicide ganker, particularly a solo suicide ganker, how many SP does the pilot you use to do it have?
Second question: how do you fund the ships that you gank with, if it's not from ganking profits?
I'm trying to get a real, factual feel for how many SP the players that engage in this particular style of game-play have. My experience with this topic is mostly with low- and null-sec players that use alts that gank to fund PvP. But it also occurs to me that I don't know what percentage of ganking this kind of ganking represents.
Thanks very much for your feedback!
As a peaceful industrialist I can attest to the fact that suicide ganking is a myth.
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Don Purple
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.02.22 05:33:00 -
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600k SP but not done yet :D this character is starting to become my main honestly and there is good business in ganking. Loot, people paying you not to gank them, and best for last, people paying you to gank their rivals. Having more fun now than I ever did and its a pretty social activity and you get to meet some interesting people. |
Don Purple
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.02.22 05:35:00 -
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loyalanon wrote:Diabolical Fullmoon Mysticism wrote:Ganking isn't PVP when the victim is AFK or a BOT. Please explain to me how ganking is not pvp. Player vs player. am I not versing another player who is afk or botting but still a player none the less?
Most or all of my victims actually try to get away but a friendly bump usually gets me enough time. |
Ripard Teg
Selective Pressure
Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2013.02.22 06:13:00 -
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Wescro wrote:Ripard Teg wrote: My experience with this topic is mostly with low- and null-sec players that use alts that gank to fund PvP. I have never heard of this. Ganking for profit is possible but much harder than ganking for fun, due to the various nerfs to ganking.
I assure you this is a thing, or at least used to be until CCP laid the "profit!" part of the equation to waste by making it a Suspect offense to pick up the loot. You'd see dozens of this sort of gank in Niarja and Uedama per day on the weekend, in particular. I know lots and lots of guys that were into this.
And keep the info coming, guys. Thanks so much for those of you that have replied so far!
Jester's Trek: wherein I ramble about EVE Online, gaming, and from time to time... life. |
enterprisePSI
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Posted - 2013.02.22 06:18:00 -
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loyalanon wrote:Diabolical Fullmoon Mysticism wrote:Ganking isn't PVP when the victim is AFK or a BOT. Please explain to me how ganking is not pvp. Player vs player. am I not versing another player who is afk or botting but still a player none the less?
I think he was being sarcastic 
The tears of the many, outweight the tears of the few. Or the one. enterprise-psi-¬
I made tweet, Y U NO FOLLOW!!! |
Xolve
Fweddit
I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1330
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Posted - 2013.02.22 06:23:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:I win this thread.
45+ Million SP.
I don't use or need alts.
How i make money ?
People throw it at me, because they love me. (sounds gay, but you asked)
If i ever run out of ISK (highly unlikely), i just ask for it...
Yes, i can seriously take pride in this. ^_^
Sorry to disappoint you friend but sitting at 84m SP and counting, I'm also -10, I do however use a 5m sp character for warp ins/scouting.
Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
Runeme Shilter
New Order Logistics
CODE.
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Posted - 2013.02.22 09:22:00 -
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I am at 3.3M SP and can solo gank retrievers/covetors up to 0.6, untanked mack/hulk in 0.5 without problems.
About 60-70% of the costs are covered by recovering the leftovers of my targets and my ship, the rest is done via New Order reimbursements.
RS |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
1001
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Posted - 2013.02.22 09:39:00 -
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97m, but as this thread has shown, suicide ganking is a fun activity for people of all ages and backgrounds.
Think of all the new players who want to try their hand at suicide ganking, being demonised and compared to rapists and slave owners. If there's a problem with new player retention it may have something to do with that... |
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