Ganking isn't PVP when the victim is AFK or a BOT.

Hi all,

Serious question: if you're a suicide ganker, particularly a solo suicide ganker, how many SP does the pilot you use to do it have?

Second question: how do you fund the ships that you gank with, if it's not from ganking profits?

...if you're a suicide ganker, particularly a solo suicide ganker, how many SP does the pilot you use to do it have? ...

How i make money ?
People throw it at me because they love me.

Ganking isn't PVP when the victim is AFK or a BOT.

I have never heard of this.

Hi all,

Serious question: if you're a suicide ganker, particularly a solo suicide ganker, how many SP does the pilot you use to do it have?

Second question: how do you fund the ships that you gank with, if it's not from ganking profits?

I'm trying to get a real, factual feel for how many SP the players that engage in this particular style of game-play have. My experience with this topic is mostly with low- and null-sec players that use alts that gank to fund PvP. But it also occurs to me that I don't know what percentage of ganking this kind of ganking represents.

Thanks very much for your feedback!

Please explain to me how ganking is not pvp.

Player vs player. am I not versing another player who is afk or botting but still a player none the less?

I have never heard of this. Ganking for profit is possible but much harder than ganking for fun, due to the various nerfs to ganking.

Please explain to me how ganking is not pvp.

Player vs player. am I not versing another player who is afk or botting but still a player none the less?

I win this thread.

45+ Million SP.
I don't use or need alts.

How i make money ?
People throw it at me, because they love me. (sounds gay, but you asked)
If i ever run out of ISK (highly unlikely), i just ask for it...

Yes, i can seriously take pride in this. ^_^

I do however use a 5m sp character for warp ins/scouting.

In my opinion, I'm surprised you think ganking isn't pvp. Not to say it is "leet" pvp, but pvp nonetheless. It is just profitable pvp, what it is used for is irrelevant.

This is mostly just semantics, but for me the "vs" in "Player vs Player" implies the possibility of the target fighting back, which I see as absent from suicide ganking. In my experience, usually every step is taken to ensure that the target will not be able to offer any resistance; ship scans to make sure their tank is beatable, targeting ships which cannot shoot back such as freighters and, yes, targeting players who are unlikely to be at their keyboard to respond like AFK miners or autopiloting haulers.

I assure you this is a thing, or at least used to be until CCP laid the "profit!" part of the equation to waste by making it a Suspect offense to pick up the loot.

Player versus player does not mean fair and balanced, or that the other party has a good chance at fighting back

it means what it says on the tin: One player doing something that has an effect on another player. Simple.

Trying to play dumb semantic games to claim it isn't PVP is something I consider a bit dishonest.

Ripard knows that if he flat out said he's against certain types of PVP he'd be a laughing stock, so instead he tried to claim it wasn't PVP (and was instead more like **** or slavery) to try and make it seem like his disagreeing with it was more valid, and to try and paint it as something which everyone should inherently be against.

I never said it should be fair and balanced, or that the other party should have much chance of successfully fighting back, just that fighting back should be an option, which it isn't for most suicide ganks. More than that, it's that suicide ganking as a whole usually involves going out of your way to ensure that it isn't an option for your victim.

I don't think that's anywhere near simple; by that definition running L4 missions solo is PvP as the ISK generated from it has an (incredibly minor, but still present) effect on all players via inflation and the loot/modules from drops and from cashing out LPs have effects on other players when being sold by competing with other sellers and providing equipment to other players. Likewise, by that definition AFK mining is also PvP since it has an effect on resource prices for other miners as well as PLEX prices for players. Those are just a couple of examples where the effect is primarily adverse, I'm not even listing beneficial effects even though your definition would seem to include them.

But ensuring the other party has "the option" of fighting back is a bit unrealistic. How would you even approach ensuring everyone has that option? What can a mining barge or freighter do against combat ships? What can my lone combat ship do against a 100 man fleet that cynos into the system I'm in? Sometimes you just don't have much of an option. I don't see that as a problem, some situations are unfair and you can't do anything about them. The vast majority of players learn this quickly and simply live with it. Again, I just kind of don't see this as being an issue at all.

I think it IS that simple, and I've long argued that all those things are PVP - usually in arguments against the "we [PVErs] weren't doing nuthin to nobody, we should be left alone!" stuff that constantly pops up on the forums. EVE is a PVP game. There is no PVE only server or areas. It's all PVP, baby.

1.4 million SP.

I fund it through a mix of corp reimbursement and salvage. I don't make a profit. I'm not rolling in ISK. But who needs ISK when you have camaraderie and lols?

Hi all,

Serious question: if you're a suicide ganker, particularly a solo suicide ganker, how many SP does the pilot you use to do it have?

Second question: how do you fund the ships that you gank with, if it's not from ganking profits?

I'm trying to get a real, factual feel for how many SP the players that engage in this particular style of game-play have. My experience with this topic is mostly with low- and null-sec players that use alts that gank to fund PvP. But it also occurs to me that I don't know what percentage of ganking this kind of ganking represents.

Thanks very much for your feedback!

The hard fact is that the fault lies with the people who used Titans to annihilate subcaps en masse, and then had the poor judgement to laugh about it, congratulate themselves, and keep doing it. If the blappers hadn't gone whole-hog abusing an obviously broken mechanic, this nerf would have never happened.

They may tell themselves that the inarguable imbalance of blapping titans was a sign of their 'skill' or 'superiority' - the same excuses offered forth throughout the history of the Titan, justifying Remote Doomsdays, AoE Doomsdays, etc etc.

Ultimately, the nemesis of titans was the poor impulse control of their own pilots - the inability, when faced with what amounted to a free bar, not to drink themselves into blundering violence and to assault the other guests.

like i said, im sad for the real pirates out there, most of them actually had to work hard for their -10, they got there though piles of pods, barges and mission runners... if you want to blame someone, blame all the newbies abusing a flawed game mechanic and making your respectful profession look bad.

Shush Fawn, yer talking too much again..

... that character obviously can't be used to scout and provide a warp-in ...

That's so wrong. I can't believe people stick to this bullshit, as if it was true.
Just because most people are noobs at ganking and need it easy, doesn't mean anybody needs an alt for anything.

It's *more* challenging without an alt. Every time i hear somebody needs an alt for this
and hides in station all day, i feel embarrassed. Grow some balls and learn highsec game mechanics.

That's so wrong. I can't believe people stick to this bullshit, as if it was true.
Just because most people are noobs at ganking and need it easy, doesn't mean anybody needs an alt for anything.

It's *more* challenging without an alt. Every time i hear somebody needs an alt for this
and hides in station all day, i feel embarrassed. Grow some balls and learn highsec game mechanics.

I would love to hear how you use a -10 sec status character to gank without having some means of getting warpin on your target, anytime I stay in the same spot in Highsec in anything other than a pod for more than a handful of seconds I get blapped by facpo.

I guess I could use a pod to place a bookmark, but then there's no option to scan the ship and work out if I can actually take it out or not.

But like Agent Trask said, we are pretty new to this, so please, how do you do it?

Getting Fawn to stop talking is an art that has so far eluded the entire New Order membership. We'll keep trying, though.

I don't see it as a problem either. I've never said ganking shouldn't be in the game, or that all fights must be fair or anything like that, just that I personally draw a distinction between a gank and PvP.

Serious question: if you're a suicide ganker, particularly a solo suicide ganker, how many SP does the pilot you use to do it have?
Second question: how do you fund the ships that you gank with, if it's not from ganking profits?

Giving this one a friendly bump, because I'd love to hear from more gankers on this topic. I'm still particularly interested in the question of how you finance your ganking as well.

Add-on question: do you feel like CCP is deliberately trying to put ganking out of business to attract new players? Or are you feeling like you're able to keep the ganking up despite what CCP throws at you by changing how you operate?

but overall just found that I liked targets that shoot back.

I have a nasty feeling that you're going to continue on your "fact finding mission" right up until the votes close so that you can have some kind of plausible deniability later on in the game, just like a RL politician would.

Hopefully, I'm wrong.

He might actually learn something. Maybe he'll take us up on the invite to do some whale hunting.

I have a nasty feeling that you're going to continue on your "fact finding mission" right up until the votes close so that you can have some kind of plausible deniability later on in the game, just like a RL politician would.

Hopefully, I'm wrong.

I'm never going to be the "ganking candidate" and I'm not trying to be. But it's a part of the game that I don't have a lot of direct experience at and I'm trying to learn from those that do. That's not gonna change whether I get elected or not.

And I was OK at it, actually. I learned quite a bit just from the first few ganks. I went exclusively after Hulks and Macks, using arty Hurricanes as my platform of choice, pre-scanning to go after ones with dead-space shield reppers. I had about a 60% success rate against them, which I felt was pretty good. I came out with a small profit after I collected the reppers and assorted T2 mining lasers from the stuff I killed, plus the pre-scan platform was also my salvage platform...

I appreciate that you're putting in some effort here and in the interests of saving you some time I'd be more than happy to arrange for you to speak with someone who has had years of experience at this. A quick 15 minute chat over TeamSpeak and you would know more about this area of the game and it's history than 99% of the Eve player base.

An interview like that might even make a good story for your blog. As you can see from some of the responses we get to our activities, there are a good proportion of Highsec residents who cannot believe that their ships are able to be blown up if they leave them unattended for long periods of time and that they don't have some kind of inherent right to absoloute safety, no matter what their actions. Not only that, many actually think that ganking relies on some sort of broken game mechanic or exploit.

If you were ganking 18 months ago with a 60% success rate, my guess is that you would currently be running at about 30-40% if you tried the same thing now (that's just a guesstimate based on conversations I've had with more experienced players regarding the changes CCP have instituted since that time), if you were running in our fleets with that kind of success rate we'd probably have to shoot you for a spai

For people that use their mains, how do you deal with the kill rights against you if you mainly locate yourself in high sec? I'd love to reduce my mains sec status but the 30 days open target bugs me. Mainly as my main is my do it all character, pvp, pve, miner, hauler etc etc.

In my opinion, I'm surprised you think ganking isn't pvp. Not to say it is "leet" pvp, but pvp nonetheless. It is just profitable pvp, what it is used for is irrelevant.

Real and elite pvp is 20 Tornados with skirmish links. Rote Kapelle knows

Player versus player does not mean fair and balanced, or that the other party has a good chance at fighting back, it means what it says on the tin: One player doing something that has an effect on another player. Simple.

Trying to play dumb semantic games to claim it isn't PVP is something I consider a bit dishonest. Ripard knows that if he flat out said he's against certain types of PVP he'd be a laughing stock, so instead he tried to claim it wasn't PVP (and was instead more like **** or slavery) to try and make it seem like his disagreeing with it was more valid, and to try and paint it as something which everyone should inherently be against.

In my opinion, I'm surprised you think ganking isn't pvp. Not to say it is "leet" pvp, but pvp nonetheless. It is just profitable pvp, what it is used for is irrelevant.

Player versus player does not mean fair and balanced, or that the other party has a good chance at fighting back, it means what it says on the tin: One player doing something that has an effect on another player. Simple.

Trying to play dumb semantic games to claim it isn't PVP is something I consider a bit dishonest. Ripard knows that if he flat out said he's against certain types of PVP he'd be a laughing stock, so instead he tried to claim it wasn't PVP (and was instead more like **** or slavery) to try and make it seem like his disagreeing with it was more valid, and to try and paint it as something which everyone should inherently be against.

Oooh Ripard, that's a rookie move, we all know that's code for, "...but overall I just wasn't very good at it."

Hopefully, I'm wrong.

But... we could train our noobies all about the ebil gankers so they would find all their juicy targets... all nicely tanked and or escorted... The problem isn't 'safety''or 'Gankers' it's new players who have not been properly prepared for the realities of our virtuality.

The best way to train noobies about ganking is to teach them how to gank.

Which is something we do. If you can fly a destroyer after completing your advanced combat career agent quests, seek us out. Doesn't matter what faction ... fit blasters on a Catalyst or Cormorant, autocannons on a Thrasher, and pulse lasers on a Coercer.

We will get you baptized in short order.


Gank a noobie once, and he'll just burn for a day. Teach him how to gank and he will throw himself into the fires of CONCORD for his whole life.

Gank a noobie once, and he'll just burn for a day. Teach him how to gank and he will throw himself into the fires of CONCORD his whole life.

But what it "IS" however is a classic military tactic in long use ever since... well as far back as my reading goes... but it's not called a fight or a battle, it's called an "Ambush"... and the point of an ambush is that your opponent doesn't have a chance if you do it right.

ambush - verb
ambush-+es; ambushed; ambush-+ing
[+ obj] : to attack (someone or something) by surprise from a hidden place
Gû¬ We have reports of enemy soldiers ambushing civilians on this road. GÇö often used as (be) ambushed Gû¬ He was ambushed and killed by robbers on his way home.

But it still aint PvP.

But... we could train our noobies all about the ebil gankers so they would find all their juicy targets... all nicely tanked and or escorted... The problem isn't 'safety''or 'Gankers' it's new players who have not been properly prepared for the realities of our virtuality.

The best way to train noobies about ganking is to teach them how to gank.

Which is something we do. If you can fly a destroyer after completing your advanced combat career agent quests, seek us out. Doesn't matter what faction ... fit blasters on a Catalyst or Cormorant, autocannons on a Thrasher, and pulse lasers on a Coercer.

We will get you baptized in short order.


Gank a noobie once, and he'll just burn for a day. Teach him how to gank and he will throw himself into the fires of CONCORD his whole life.

i have serious issues with myself and i get easily manipulated into talking crap about people i have no clue of. I might even be jealous, because i believe i'm better, but nobody outside my own kind knows or likes me, so i talk bad about him to make myself feel better. I simply dislike him and always tell lies as facts, because nobody can tell if i *really* know him or not. And killboards always prove everything.

I would love to hear how you use a -10 sec status character to gank without having some means of getting warpin on your target, anytime I stay in the same spot in Highsec in anything other than a pod for more than a handful of seconds I get blapped by facpo.

I guess I could use a pod to place a bookmark, but then there's no option to scan the ship and work out if I can actually take it out or not.

But like Agent Trask said, we are pretty new to this, so please, how do you do it?