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destiny2
Abh Empire
Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.02.22 01:58:00 -
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Rellik B00n wrote:TL: Its because they have run out of people to fight in null sec, see: big blue donut.
also read the thread in my sig for a more in depth discussion of the OP.
not true, the goons and russian alliances are fun to fight, especially goons. they jump titans when their supposed to bridge, see that, low sec incident for better details. :D
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air
3190
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Posted - 2013.02.22 02:12:00 -
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LHA Tarawa wrote:Xpaulusx wrote:Caps are fine, it is the conflict drivers, like Tec, Choice space, that use to produce fights that are now doing the exact opposite, case in point, the current lack luster state that is null. It is easier to pay off your enemy than to fight him, hence the blue donut effect. That needs attention not caps. What could CCP possibly do to prevent large coalitions from accepting that peace is more profitable than war? Seriously, as a high sec industrialist myself, I'd LOVE, LOVE, LOVE to see all the PVPers find lots and lots of fun ship-to-ship PVP outside of high sec. More customers for my goods and fewer threads on the forums calling for it to be easier to less with high sec carebears
Nullsec has more PvP then all other regions put together at present.
People complaining about 'lack of PVP in 0.0' are simply woefully misinformed.
If people are interested in increasing the level of PVP in EVE, maybe they could focus on the 71% of EVE's population only engaging in 21% of the PVP. |
Tesal
205
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Posted - 2013.02.22 02:22:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:LHA Tarawa wrote:Xpaulusx wrote:Caps are fine, it is the conflict drivers, like Tec, Choice space, that use to produce fights that are now doing the exact opposite, case in point, the current lack luster state that is null. It is easier to pay off your enemy than to fight him, hence the blue donut effect. That needs attention not caps. What could CCP possibly do to prevent large coalitions from accepting that peace is more profitable than war? Seriously, as a high sec industrialist myself, I'd LOVE, LOVE, LOVE to see all the PVPers find lots and lots of fun ship-to-ship PVP outside of high sec. More customers for my goods and fewer threads on the forums calling for it to be easier to less with high sec carebears Nullsec has more PvP then all other regions put together at present. People complaining about 'lack of PVP in 0.0' are simply woefully misinformed. If people are interested in increasing the level of PVP in EVE, maybe they could focus on the 71% of EVE's population only engaging in 21% of the PVP.
But hi-sec has the most PvE losses...so that makes up for it right?
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Polly Oxford
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
85
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Posted - 2013.02.22 03:19:00 -
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Larloch TheAncient wrote:
Need more raw materials? No need to have to pillage a neighboring region because you have infinite amounts in if in your few systems.
Want the best rats? No need to roam or pillage for the best ones, because again, you have an unlimited amount of rats in your own systems.
That's just stupid. Resources are 'unlimited' because we import 100% of them from Jita. Industry and Mining in 0.0 is not worth it whatsoever since you are actually making less money there than in highsec.
And Rats are only unlimited in the sense that they respawn after a while. There is very much a limit as to how many ratters a system can support at the same time (a very low one). If you want actually unlimited rats you do missions in highsec because 500 dudes can do missions in the same system. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3426
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Posted - 2013.02.22 06:15:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Rellik B00n wrote:TL: Its because they have run out of people to fight in null sec, see: big blue donut.
also read the thread in my sig for a more in depth discussion of the OP. So you are the latest person to go "hot damn I heard this on a forum from an npc alt poster it must be true." Good to know.
There's a new latest person who just went "hot damn I heard this on a forum from an npc alt poster it must be true."
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3426
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Posted - 2013.02.22 06:16:00 -
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Polly Oxford wrote:Larloch TheAncient wrote:Need more raw materials? No need to have to pillage a neighboring region because you have infinite amounts in if in your few systems.
Want the best rats? No need to roam or pillage for the best ones, because again, you have an unlimited amount of rats in your own systems. That's just stupid. Resources are 'unlimited' because we import 100% of them from Jita. Industry and Mining in 0.0 is not worth it whatsoever since you are actually making less money there than in highsec. And Rats are only unlimited in the sense that they respawn after a while. There is very much a limit as to how many ratters a system can support at the same time (a very low one). If you want actually unlimited rats you do missions in highsec because 500 dudes can do missions in the same system.
Highsec, the fount from which so much of the EVE economy flows. Safe and secure by NPC guard protection and game mechanics.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
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Larloch TheAncient
Corporation for Public Broadcasting
What Alliance
49
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Posted - 2013.02.22 06:44:00 -
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Polly Oxford wrote:Larloch TheAncient wrote:
Need more raw materials? No need to have to pillage a neighboring region because you have infinite amounts in if in your few systems.
Want the best rats? No need to roam or pillage for the best ones, because again, you have an unlimited amount of rats in your own systems.
That's just stupid. Resources are 'unlimited' because we import 100% of them from Jita. Industry and Mining in 0.0 is not worth it whatsoever since you are actually making less money there than in highsec. And Rats are only unlimited in the sense that they respawn after a while. There is very much a limit as to how many ratters a system can support at the same time (a very low one). If you want actually unlimited rats you do missions in highsec because 500 dudes can do missions in the same system.
Just because you choose to import from Jita doens't mean its a requirement. This is because industry in 0.0 is broken, you have more raw materials available in your systems than anywhere in highsec.
Military upgraded systems have anomalies that respawn within minutes, this effectively gives you unlimited rats.
Yes missions are also "unlimited" resource sinks, however we're talking about sov null, I was simply giving an example on why you would not "need" to move to a new region ever in the current system. |
Joran Dravius
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
129
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Posted - 2013.02.22 20:55:00 -
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SB Rico wrote:Cap ships are not the issue, whether they exist or not the large alliances will still outgun the newer entrants to null sec.
Not by nearly as much.
Xpaulusx wrote:Caps are fine, it is the conflict drivers, like Tec, Choice space, that use to produce fights that are now doing the exact opposite, case in point, the current lack luster state that is null. It is easier to pay off your enemy than to fight him, hence the blue donut effect. That needs attention not caps.
I think it's both. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4545
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Posted - 2013.02.22 20:58:00 -
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Larloch TheAncient wrote:
The "Problem" is that some alliance leaders decided they were going to team up, this means that the only people they have left to fight is the new comers.
yeah that didn't happen you're just whining over your inability to make friends |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4545
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Posted - 2013.02.22 20:59:00 -
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Larloch TheAncient wrote:
Military upgraded systems have anomalies that respawn within minutes, this effectively gives you unlimited rats.
yes because you can build ships with bounties
you are a brilliant thinker and the world needs more of your wisdom |
Larloch TheAncient
Corporation for Public Broadcasting
What Alliance
49
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Posted - 2013.02.22 21:24:00 -
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So tell me good sir, what incentives are there for the goons to suddenly want to invade a separate region entirely? |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4545
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Posted - 2013.02.22 22:27:00 -
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Larloch TheAncient wrote:So tell me good sir, what incentives are there for the goons to suddenly want to invade a separate region entirely?
the same one there always has been, the unadulterated joy of taking something from someone, lighting it on fire, and peeing on the ashes
it's just that with the sov system the way it is victory hurts almost as much as defeat, the defender may lose their space but they're not the ones stuck grinding hundreds of millions of ehp |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
4545
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Posted - 2013.02.22 22:46:00 -
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part of the problem with highsec shitlords trying to understand 0.0 is their wretched poverty permeates their thinking and they can't really break out of their blinkered mindset
wealth is merely a means to an end in eve: we get rich so that we can conquer. wealth we pile up in our wallet corp doesn't actually do anything of note: it's there so that when dbrb does things like welp half a trillion worth of caps we can rebuild them and keep on trucking
highsec shitlords on the other hand are wretchedly poor and lack the sort of will to power that gives wealth a goal, and so they just sort of accumulate wealth for the sake of getting a new thing that accumulates more wealth; missioning so they can afford a better missioning boat to mission with
wealth is a tool, to be used support the exercise of power in the only way it really means anything: taking things away from other people. highseccers, as the most powerless wretches in the game, don't really understand power and how delightful and end in itself it is, and so can't really understand 0.0 |
Alavaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.02.23 04:18:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Larloch TheAncient wrote:So tell me good sir, what incentives are there for the goons to suddenly want to invade a separate region entirely? the same one there always has been, the unadulterated joy of taking something from someone, lighting it on fire, and peeing on the ashes it's just that with the sov system the way it is victory hurts almost as much as defeat, the defender may lose their space but they're not the ones stuck grinding hundreds of millions of ehp
Not unless you're DA big red boat |
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